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# Randomness of the lottery

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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ? This is the question ?

 Absolutely random [ 25 ] [40.32%] Not random. [ 12 ] [19.35%] Something fishy going on? [ 14 ] [22.58%] These two lotteries are working together its fixed [ 4 ] [6.45%] Not Sure? [ 7 ] [11.29%] Total Valid Votes [ 62 ] Discarded Votes [ 2 ]
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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

Please view the following 2 lotteries below. Based upon the results Your task is to ask yourself whether you are viewing a random lottery or not.

The months,days and even numbers have been changed BUT NOT THE PATTERN to protect the INNOCENT so not to give away where these drawings were conducted the 2 lottery drawings I am using are REAL and the PATTERN is REAL.

In otherwords if a 12-24 showed in the 1st drawing then a 12-24 showed in the second. The purpose of changing the dates and numbers is only to hide the identeties of the two lotterys so no one knows which two lotteries I am using. BUT AGAIN THE PATTERN IS REAL!

It could be the Japan lotto with the Uk or the Oklahoma lotto and the China lotto or any two lotteries anywhere somewhere in the world? Is this a random pattern?

IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

1st drawing  (Somewhere in the World)

Lotto 10-03-2007 8, 12, 28, 30, 31, 45

Lotto 10-05-2007 9, 12, 28, 30, 32, 49

Lotto 10-07-2007 5, 9, 16, 24, 34, 44

Lotto 10-10-2007 8, 12, 14, 30, 36, 49

Lotto 10-12-2007 9, 10, 13, 35, 37, 40

Lotto 10-14-2007 10, 15, 16, 21, 25, 31

Lotto 10-17-2007 9, 24, 30, 31, 32, 45

Lotto 10-19-2007 1, 8, 30, 31, 32, 45

Lotto 10-21-2007 6, 14, 28, 29, 38, 43

Lotto 10-24-2007 5, 8, 11, 24, 29, 39

Lotto 10-26-2007 1, 4, 10, 28, 39, 49   no match

Lotto 10-28-2007 12, 15, 19, 35, 42, 45

Lotto 10-31-2007 17, 25, 31, 35, 39, 43

Lotto 10-03-2007 8, 10, 23, 32, 44, 49

Lotto 11-05-2007 2, 4, 19, 20, 34, 40

Lotto 11-08-2007 10, 12, 14, 34, 36, 42

Lotto 11-10-2007 6, 27, 33, 35, 42, 43

Lotto 11-13-2007 2, 4, 11, 16, 41, 42

Lotto 11-16-2007 8, 10, 11, 19, 41, 42

Lotto 11-19-2007 14, 16, 31, 35, 38, 39

2nd drawing (Somewhere in the World)

Lotto 10-04-2007 2, 3, 5, 7, 28, 45

Lotto 10-06-2007 5, 12, 24, 28, 30, 36

Lotto 10-08-2007 25, 31, 36, 40, 44, 46

Lotto 10-11-2007 2, 21, 23, 30, 39, 48

Lotto 10-13-2007 5, 18, 23, 35, 40, 44

Lotto 10-15-2007 15, 24, 27, 31, 32, 49

Lotto 10-18-2007 14, 15, 16, 19, 25, 31

Lotto 10-20-2007 2, 8, 27, 38, 43, 44

Lotto 10-22-2007 21, 28, 32, 33, 35, 36

Lotto 10-25-2007 6, 11, 19, 34, 45, 48

Lotto 10-27-2007 3, 12, 30, 33, 35, 44 no match

Lotto 10-29-2007 11, 12, 27, 31, 35, 47

Lotto 11-02-2007 14, 18, 25, 27, 39, 48

Lotto 11-04-2007 11, 14, 22, 30, 44, 47

Lotto 11-06-2007 14, 19, 26, 39, 44, 49

Lotto 11-09-2007 10, 12, 15, 18, 34, 45

Lotto 11-11-2007 8, 10, 15, 25, 43, 47

Lotto 11-14-2007 14, 25, 28, 31, 41, 45

Lotto 11-17-2007 11, 26, 30, 38, 42, 49

Lotto 11-20-2007 14, 16, 29, 35, 36, 39

IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

Each of the two sets appears to be random within itself - but the bottom most set contains one to three of the same exact numbers as the same corresponding line for the first set.  Obviously, the drawings in the second set occur the next day after the drawings in the first set. The amount of winning numbers that float over from set one to set two does seem to defy probability. However, its NOT IMPOSSIBLE. How far back does this continue? Does it go back far beyond 10-3-2007?  Does it continue on past 11-20-07?

The further a streak like that continues, the less probable it is that it is caused by a natural random or even pseudo random event.

What I would like to know is, where are these supposed draw results from?  I don't find them on google at all! If you refuse to supply the origin of the games, then I'd say those results are fictitious... as is usually the case with most the info posted by people who CLAIM to have some awsome secret or inside knowledge.

Where did you get the results from? Somewhere in the world ... lol whatever

~Probability=Odds in Motion~

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Good points four4me.

Folks, you ever notice that when you're thinking of buying a certain model car you start seeing them all over the place? Think a few thousand more of them hit your town after you started thinking about them?

No, not at all, the only thing different is since you're thinking of that model (substitute numbers, patterns here) you start seeing them. There's nothing at all different about how many of those cars are on the road (or numbers are drawn).

That's a very good example.  Anyone who's been pregnant, for example, knows this feeling.  Wherever you look, you see another woman who is pregnant.

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good 'ol rip snorter.i miss that feller.......him and 'ol chewie.if they would come back to LP it would be like the beatles getting back together.

The Quantum Master
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I understand.

It could be expressed mathematically as a probability of the improbable.

I'll just monitor for now.

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In a N.Y. newspaper, an article stated that very thing. When an official was asked why they performed pre-tests and rotation, he said...."To eliminate as much possibility of a pattern emerging".

What this official doesn't seem to get is that such procedures will have little overall effect if one is looking for patterns not necessarily visible.

One example is to take lottery numbers from certain dates in each month from within the past several years, say the 1st, 10th, and 20th then put them together as if they had come in one right after another and you'll find the same type of patterns emerging.

Maybe, possibly rotating or suddenly changing machines has a slight short-term effect if the system that's being used is based on the most recent of results but by utilizing the literally billions of possible variations in how patterns can be found there's no way they could defeat them all at the same time short of fixing the game.

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Lotterologist

"Remember, there are people who can see into the future(psychics, prophets, e.t.c). Consider that when pondering the "randomness" of the lottery.

I've known people who could dream a 3 or 4 digit combination and shortly afterwards, it would fall. If the lottery was truly random, how could they dream what the winning combination would be?"

Does that necessarily cancel out the event being random, or just tell us that these people had a vision of the results of a random event?

Art Bell of talk radio has said for years that he believes people who hit huige lotery jakcpots and do exceptionally well in the stock market are time travelers.

Visions of winning the lotto : Luck

Visions of doing exceptionally well in the stock market: Inside information

just my 2 cents

Don't Play more, Play Smarter!

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That all depends on if you use the Martha Stewart method.

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Yes, there are patterns in the Lottery Matrix. In fact, without patterns the game will be un-playable. It's a reason there's an "odd" in winning the lottery. There has to be an "odd of winning..." in order for the game to be playable. It may not make sense but it's what I've come to see and understand.

And I tell you, there are 3 set of patterns in the Mega Million Matrix. Sometimes a certain pattern plays straight for a while. Sometimes it interwines with another set pattern and other times, it overlaps - the latter two happens more times than not.

The key is not "being able to see the pattern" ( that's easy), the key is be able to identify the patterns and recognize what "set pattern" is about to take over or stay the same. In that same spirit, the key is being able to select the number AS A RESULT of the FORMULATING pattern(s).

This is why the lottery is NOT meant to be played on every draw day. To illustrate this better; it's like waiting for the stars to align before predicting the future. Likewise with the Lottery Matrix, you have to catch the patterns at the most opportuned time to reign in on it.

While the patterns may be easy to predict in 2 out of 5 sets, the other 3 and BB may be a situation where it's too hard identify just yet. In that case, wait it out ( this is especially true in the early going of a would-be big jackpot). When the patterns are identifiable for at least 3 sets, that's the opportuned time ( stars aligning, remember?) You reign in on it.

Now, this will only be a success if you understand number relations. What point in being a Master at understanding the patterns and not the numbers - they go hand in hand. You must understand that critical piece of information. It is the Holy Grail or what you people term as, 'Breaking the Code.' I don't see it as a Code, I see it as the behavior of numbers in their natural existence.... nakeness and vunerable - like a beautiful, lust-tempting desirable woman caught in a vunerable situation. It's an opportune time - stars aligning, remember?

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I have come up with several ways to look at patterns in the MegaMillions drawings.  One is the numbers of past drawings that had the winning numbers and their total counts.

MEGAMILL   1 586     12/25/07   19 36 37 48 52    +08
______________________________________________________________
MEGAMILL      585   1 12/21/07   14 19 20 43 53    +07    1*
S/NUM      1 ----------------------------------------
~ DRS             584   2 12/18/07   03 23 46 48 49    +02    1*
2 ----------------------------------------
574   3 11/13/07   15 26 36 39 40     +45    1*
3 ----------------------------------------
571   4 11/02/07   01 03 34 49 52     +19    1*
4 ----------------------------------------
568   5 10/23/07   02 07 45 52 53     +18    1
563   8 10/05/07   10 19 37 40 48     +01    3*
5 ----------------------------------------
1/ 1    2/ 2    3/12    4/15    8/23

Another is the number distributions pattern
A=1-11, B=12-22, C=23-33, D=34-44 and E=45-56.

12/25/07   19 36 37 48 52  +08    B  D  D  E  E + A
12/21/07   14 19 20 43 53  +07     B  B  B  D  E + A
12/18/07   03 23 46 48 49  +02     A  C  E  E  E + A
12/14/07   04 07 12 17 30  +44     A  A  B  B  C + D
12/11/07   06 25 27 30 45  +46     A  C  C  C  E + E
12/07/07   12 18 26 28 51  +35     B  B  C  C  E + D
12/04/07   16 27 30 45 53  +43     B  C  C  E  E + D
11/30/07   05 06 12 26 51  +07     A  A  B  C  E + A
11/27/07   09 10 26 29 39  +10     A  A  C  C  D + A
11/23/07   18 21 23 42 56  +11     B  B  C  D  E + A

I can't predict which pattern will be next, but I can anticipate the most popular ones happening again and when these and the other three patterns reoccur at the same time, my chance of a win improves.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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I have come up with several ways to look at patterns in the MegaMillions drawings.  One is the numbers of past drawings that had the winning numbers and their total counts.

MEGAMILL   1 586     12/25/07   19 36 37 48 52    +08
______________________________________________________________
MEGAMILL      585   1 12/21/07   14 19 20 43 53    +07    1*
S/NUM      1 ----------------------------------------
~ DRS             584   2 12/18/07   03 23 46 48 49    +02    1*
2 ----------------------------------------
574   3 11/13/07   15 26 36 39 40     +45    1*
3 ----------------------------------------
571   4 11/02/07   01 03 34 49 52     +19    1*
4 ----------------------------------------
568   5 10/23/07   02 07 45 52 53     +18    1
563   8 10/05/07   10 19 37 40 48     +01    3*
5 ----------------------------------------
1/ 1    2/ 2    3/12    4/15    8/23

Another is the number distributions pattern
A=1-11, B=12-22, C=23-33, D=34-44 and E=45-56.

12/25/07   19 36 37 48 52  +08    B  D  D  E  E + A
12/21/07   14 19 20 43 53  +07     B  B  B  D  E + A
12/18/07   03 23 46 48 49  +02     A  C  E  E  E + A
12/14/07   04 07 12 17 30  +44     A  A  B  B  C + D
12/11/07   06 25 27 30 45  +46     A  C  C  C  E + E
12/07/07   12 18 26 28 51  +35     B  B  C  C  E + D
12/04/07   16 27 30 45 53  +43     B  C  C  E  E + D
11/30/07   05 06 12 26 51  +07     A  A  B  C  E + A
11/27/07   09 10 26 29 39  +10     A  A  C  C  D + A
11/23/07   18 21 23 42 56  +11     B  B  C  D  E + A

I can't predict which pattern will be next, but I can anticipate the most popular ones happening again and when these and the other three patterns reoccur at the same time, my chance of a win improves.

That's interesting that all the winning numbers for the last draw have actually played in previous draws but I see no patterns that you speak of. A Pattern "speaks out" without you knowing it. A Pattern shows its' trail without meaning to. That's why I say it's like looking at it naked. It's also the reason why it so hard to win it.

It's there in plain sight but your eyes have to be trained to "see it." The way to "see it" is totally different, unthinkable, and surprisingly shocking ---- it's like looking at God without Him knowing it.

I could show you my method but I need valuable information in return. That "information" is the only obstacle holding me back from actually playing a real game and having a REAL chance of winning it all.

I found what I'm looking for but it's  a system ( which I don't believe in). I'm willing to give it a try though It's the Lottery Wheel. That's what I've been lookin for - someone to show me how to work combinations. This is a system though so I don't know how good it can be but I'm willing to try.

I see you have to be of a certain membership to have access to certain features which I'm very interested in. This is could also be a question to the Moderators: If you want a REAL chance at winning the  Mega Million Lottery, give me what I want now and I will train you in my method in a little time and you will be truly amazed.

Let me know.

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OMG!

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That's interesting that all the winning numbers for the last draw have actually played in previous draws but I see no patterns that you speak of. A Pattern "speaks out" without you knowing it. A Pattern shows its' trail without meaning to. That's why I say it's like looking at it naked. It's also the reason why it so hard to win it.

It's there in plain sight but your eyes have to be trained to "see it." The way to "see it" is totally different, unthinkable, and surprisingly shocking ---- it's like looking at God without Him knowing it.

I could show you my method but I need valuable information in return. That "information" is the only obstacle holding me back from actually playing a real game and having a REAL chance of winning it all.

I found what I'm looking for but it's  a system ( which I don't believe in). I'm willing to give it a try though It's the Lottery Wheel. That's what I've been lookin for - someone to show me how to work combinations. This is a system though so I don't know how good it can be but I'm willing to try.

I see you have to be of a certain membership to have access to certain features which I'm very interested in. This is could also be a question to the Moderators: If you want a REAL chance at winning the  Mega Million Lottery, give me what I want now and I will train you in my method in a little time and you will be truly amazed.

Let me know.

The pattern is the " 1/ 1    2/ 2    3/12    4/15    8/23 " at the bottom. However, that by itself, it doesn't show much, it's only after analyzing most of the 262  drawings since the last matrix change and comparing them can I decide if there's a pattern there.  Ditto for the number distribution letters chart.

I wasn't expecting you to share your methods, I was just sharing some of the ways I look for patterns in past drawings.  When it comes to jackpot style games most LP members are willing to share their ideas but not their methods, so you and I are on the same page there.

I don't do wheels because they usually cost more than I want to spend.  I prefer to set up parameters based on patterns  and pick combinations accordingly.  Depending on my budget, I will  set limits on the times combinations of 2-3 numbers are repeated in those combinations, I never play a combination of four more than one.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Yes, there are patterns in the Lottery Matrix. In fact, without patterns the game will be un-playable. It's a reason there's an "odd" in winning the lottery. There has to be an "odd of winning..." in order for the game to be playable. It may not make sense but it's what I've come to see and understand.

And I tell you, there are 3 set of patterns in the Mega Million Matrix. Sometimes a certain pattern plays straight for a while. Sometimes it interwines with another set pattern and other times, it overlaps - the latter two happens more times than not.

The key is not "being able to see the pattern" ( that's easy), the key is be able to identify the patterns and recognize what "set pattern" is about to take over or stay the same. In that same spirit, the key is being able to select the number AS A RESULT of the FORMULATING pattern(s).

This is why the lottery is NOT meant to be played on every draw day. To illustrate this better; it's like waiting for the stars to align before predicting the future. Likewise with the Lottery Matrix, you have to catch the patterns at the most opportuned time to reign in on it.

While the patterns may be easy to predict in 2 out of 5 sets, the other 3 and BB may be a situation where it's too hard identify just yet. In that case, wait it out ( this is especially true in the early going of a would-be big jackpot). When the patterns are identifiable for at least 3 sets, that's the opportuned time ( stars aligning, remember?) You reign in on it.

Now, this will only be a success if you understand number relations. What point in being a Master at understanding the patterns and not the numbers - they go hand in hand. You must understand that critical piece of information. It is the Holy Grail or what you people term as, 'Breaking the Code.' I don't see it as a Code, I see it as the behavior of numbers in their natural existence.... nakeness and vunerable - like a beautiful, lust-tempting desirable woman caught in a vunerable situation. It's an opportune time - stars aligning, remember?

"While the patterns may be easy to predict in 2 out of 5 sets, the other 3 and BB may be a situation where it's too hard identify just yet."

Mega Millions draws 1 set of 5 numbers 1 to 56 so it looks like you're saying your patterns can predict 2 numbers out of 25 numbers (five 5 number sets). A 2if2 25 number wheel has 30 sets of 5 number combinations but matching 2 numbers in Mega Millions pays nothing and you still lose money if you happen to trap 3 numbers.

"Now, this will only be a success if you understand number relations. What point in being a Master at understanding the patterns and not the numbers - they go hand in hand. You must understand that critical piece of information."

We already understand the drawing mechanics and why the next drawing will be random. We also understand that after a number of drawings there are mathematical probabilities that form patterns. Any number needs to be drawn 16 times before any type of patterns of relationship with the other numbers can be formed and the numbers 47 and 19 haven't been drawn 16 times. Since there are 3,904,701 possible outcomes in a 5/56 matrix, we need 39,047 drawings just to look at 1% of the data but we've only had about 262 drawings.

However if you have a better way of analyzing the data, I'm sure most of us would be interested.

The idea of Maddog's challenge is to predict a set of 12 numbers with a set of 4 mega ball numbers. The results are based as if the players played all 3168 combinations but you can play a 3if4 wheel with each number appearing 5 times and each mega ball 3 times for \$12 so it has a practical application too.

"I see it as the behavior of numbers in their natural existence...."

The idea of a random draw is to place the numbers into a chaotic situation or take the numbers out of their natural existence.

"It's an opportune time - stars aligning, remember?"

OK

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OMG!

RJ just showed him a pattern that can be used for digital positioning filtering but he wants "valuable information".

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"While the patterns may be easy to predict in 2 out of 5 sets, the other 3 and BB may be a situation where it's too hard identify just yet."

Mega Millions draws 1 set of 5 numbers 1 to 56 so it looks like you're saying your patterns can predict 2 numbers out of 25 numbers (five 5 number sets). A 2if2 25 number wheel has 30 sets of 5 number combinations but matching 2 numbers in Mega Millions pays nothing and you still lose money if you happen to trap 3 numbers.

"Now, this will only be a success if you understand number relations. What point in being a Master at understanding the patterns and not the numbers - they go hand in hand. You must understand that critical piece of information."

We already understand the drawing mechanics and why the next drawing will be random. We also understand that after a number of drawings there are mathematical probabilities that form patterns. Any number needs to be drawn 16 times before any type of patterns of relationship with the other numbers can be formed and the numbers 47 and 19 haven't been drawn 16 times. Since there are 3,904,701 possible outcomes in a 5/56 matrix, we need 39,047 drawings just to look at 1% of the data but we've only had about 262 drawings.

However if you have a better way of analyzing the data, I'm sure most of us would be interested.

The idea of Maddog's challenge is to predict a set of 12 numbers with a set of 4 mega ball numbers. The results are based as if the players played all 3168 combinations but you can play a 3if4 wheel with each number appearing 5 times and each mega ball 3 times for \$12 so it has a practical application too.

"I see it as the behavior of numbers in their natural existence...."

The idea of a random draw is to place the numbers into a chaotic situation or take the numbers out of their natural existence.

"It's an opportune time - stars aligning, remember?"

OK

Mega Millions draws 1 set of 5 numbers 1 to 56 so it looks like you're saying your patterns can predict 2 numbers out of 25 numbers (five 5 number sets). A 2if2 25 number wheel has 30 sets of 5 number combinations but matching 2 numbers in Mega Millions pays nothing and you still lose money if you happen to trap 3 numbers.

In the statement you was responding to, your answer has no correlation to what was discussed. So when you say, " it looks like you're saying..." is that your assumption ? Yes or no ?

We already understand the drawing mechanics and why the next drawing will be random. We also understand that after a number of drawings there are mathematical probabilities that form patterns. Any number needs to be drawn 16 times before any type of patterns of relationship with the other numbers can be formed and the numbers 47 and 19 haven't been drawn 16 times. Since there are 3,904,701 possible outcomes in a 5/56 matrix, we need 39,047 drawings just to look at 1% of the data but we've only had about 262 drawings.

Then if you think that's all that need to be known, why haven't you won anything ? It doesn't have to be the jackpot but did you even win \$3.00 with your much-touting-off-at-the-mouth ? Consistently ?? How can you argue with me when you don't even know what my method is ? That's like arguing with yourself.

However if you have a better way of analyzing the data, I'm sure most of us would be interested.

This should have been your first statement and nothing else. Of course, seeing your attitude and your feeble attempt at ridiculing anything I say, how could anyone get along with you ? You're the type, even if I was to show my method, you would have some snide remarks to say about it and brush it off as rubbish. In all actuality though, I wouldn't be surprise to learn you lapping up my method like a dog licking a bone.

The idea of a random draw is to place the numbers into a chaotic situation or take the numbers out of their natural existence.

You're right, that's quite the idea. Let me emphasis - "IDEA." Think on it, it's obvious you don't have a clue.

OK

Ok then.

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