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# Randomness of the lottery

Topic closed. 66 replies. Last post 9 years ago by psykomo.

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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ? This is the question ?

 Absolutely random [ 25 ] [40.32%] Not random. [ 12 ] [19.35%] Something fishy going on? [ 14 ] [22.58%] These two lotteries are working together its fixed [ 4 ] [6.45%] Not Sure? [ 7 ] [11.29%] Total Valid Votes [ 62 ] Discarded Votes [ 2 ]

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In respect to Rjoh response to me, I'm convince you guys are "seeing" it from the another side of the spectrum. Not that it's wrong but it's complicated and reveal too little insight to win Mega Million money.

If what Rjoh suggest as patterns are actually how you all see patterns, I'm speechless.....just speechless.

Good luck, though.

Kentucky
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Mega Millions draws 1 set of 5 numbers 1 to 56 so it looks like you're saying your patterns can predict 2 numbers out of 25 numbers (five 5 number sets). A 2if2 25 number wheel has 30 sets of 5 number combinations but matching 2 numbers in Mega Millions pays nothing and you still lose money if you happen to trap 3 numbers.

In the statement you was responding to, your answer has no correlation to what was discussed. So when you say, " it looks like you're saying..." is that your assumption ? Yes or no ?

We already understand the drawing mechanics and why the next drawing will be random. We also understand that after a number of drawings there are mathematical probabilities that form patterns. Any number needs to be drawn 16 times before any type of patterns of relationship with the other numbers can be formed and the numbers 47 and 19 haven't been drawn 16 times. Since there are 3,904,701 possible outcomes in a 5/56 matrix, we need 39,047 drawings just to look at 1% of the data but we've only had about 262 drawings.

Then if you think that's all that need to be known, why haven't you won anything ? It doesn't have to be the jackpot but did you even win \$3.00 with your much-touting-off-at-the-mouth ? Consistently ?? How can you argue with me when you don't even know what my method is ? That's like arguing with yourself.

However if you have a better way of analyzing the data, I'm sure most of us would be interested.

This should have been your first statement and nothing else. Of course, seeing your attitude and your feeble attempt at ridiculing anything I say, how could anyone get along with you ? You're the type, even if I was to show my method, you would have some snide remarks to say about it and brush it off as rubbish. In all actuality though, I wouldn't be surprise to learn you lapping up my method like a dog licking a bone.

The idea of a random draw is to place the numbers into a chaotic situation or take the numbers out of their natural existence.

You're right, that's quite the idea. Let me emphasis - "IDEA." Think on it, it's obvious you don't have a clue.

OK

Ok then.

"In the statement you was responding to, your answer has no correlation to what was discussed."

I was asking what you meant by "While the patterns may be easy to predict in 2 out of 5 sets, the other 3 and BB may be a situation where it's too hard identify just yet". A set of numbers in Mega Millions can mean from 2 to 56 numbers. How many numbers did you have in each of the 5 sets?

The last five draws are called the last five draws. If you mean 2 out of 5 numbers, why are you calling the numbers sets?

The first thing that comes to my mind when I get 2 out of 5 is "gee whiz, just think, I only needed 3 more numbers plus the mega ball to win the jackpot".

"Then if you think that's all that need to be known, why haven't you won anything?"

What part of when I said that we've only had 0.6% of the 39,407 drawings necessary to have 1% of the data made you conclude I said I have everything I need to know?

"It doesn't have to be the jackpot but did you even win \$3.00 with your much-touting-off-at-the-mouth ?"

ROFL! You cashed for 3 bucks and now you're an expert Mega Millions player. Hope your arms are long enough to pat yourself on the back.

"How can you argue with me when you don't even know what my method is ?"

There is no argument, but it will take lots of imagination for me to believe a method made by somebody that calls numbers "sets" and believes 3 bucks is a big win has any credibility.

"Of course, seeing your attitude and your feeble attempt at ridiculing anything I say, how could anyone get along with you ?"

I don't need or want to ridicule your post because they speak for themselves.

"You're right, that's quite the idea. Let me emphasis - "IDEA." Think on it, it's obvious you don't have a clue."

At the risk of you thinking I'm trying to ridicule you, they actually do place the 56 numbered balls into a container and put them into a chaotic state. Really.

"I wouldn't be surprise to learn you lapping up my method like a dog licking a bone."

What method; the one you won 3 bucks on?

You came in here asking for wheels and then complained because you had to upgrade your membership to access the wheels on this site. Should I add "doesn't know how the numbers are drawn" and doesn't know there are hundreds of other sites with wheels" to your resume'?

Kentucky
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 Posted: December 27, 2007, 11:44 pm - IP Logged

In respect to Rjoh response to me, I'm convince you guys are "seeing" it from the another side of the spectrum. Not that it's wrong but it's complicated and reveal too little insight to win Mega Million money.

If what Rjoh suggest as patterns are actually how you all see patterns, I'm speechless.....just speechless.

Good luck, though.

RJ won \$150 on MM and that sure trumps your 3 bucks!

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"Now, this will only be a success if you understand number relations".

I think you meant Numba relations.

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 Posted: December 29, 2007, 3:28 am - IP Logged

Even though randomness has patterns, it's all an illusion. Fabricated by the mind.

The mind, from it's evolutionary state, was and still is, always trying to make sense out of chaos.

The mere fragments of light that are reflected to the lenses in our eyes, are interpretated by our brain. Before the brain does anything at all, it must first reverse the general image to right side up, hence the way lenses work. Lenses always show the image upside down.

And then go ahead and piece all the puzzles together. Of course....in a lickity split second....lol

Sooooooooo......Let's put our minds together and focus  on the subject at eye...I mean hand.

It's only random if there was someone there to see it be random....lol

Just like the tree in the forest.

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IN REGARDS TO LOTTERY OFFICIALS LOOKING AT GAME INFORMATION AND MOVE BALLS SET AND TUBES/MACHINES....

Incorrect information, as someone who attends lottery draws here in Ontario, the lottery draws coordinators only receive sales information after lottery terminal shut down.  Only information dealing with how much money was spent on Pick 3, Pick 4, our Tag game, Lottario, 649, Ontario 49, daily keno.   The sales information is displayed on the machines base so they can reconsile after the draw is over.   The central computer system in every lottery jurisdiction I know of will never be used to see what combination won't warrent a win.  They would never have time, they have too many eyes and ears on them, they have to miraculously rig the machine and above all else they would lose their jobs.   These games are so random and the odds are slim, that's why we as players lose.    You can check out the OLG website, look it up and watch the draws and see that the balls bounce around and emerge randomly.  For Pick 3/Pick 4/ and Encore, you can see into the machine itself as the draw is happening.

"Together We're Making Good Things Happen,  Ontario's Lotteries...WE ALL WIN"

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Yes Exactly, how can something be random if it were designed by someone.  Someone designed it to behave in a certain FIXED way! Even if they say it isnt fixed iT STILL IS!

Now wouldnt it be something if one lottery was using a computerized drawing system and another were using ping pong balls and both got the same exact pattern.

Now that would be something!

the FEW i play<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

are NOT RANDOM

that's a FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOPE other's will send me>>> MONEY......... \$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$

"HELP"   HELP>>>>WELL THANKS anyway and LOL TOO!!

PSYKOMO

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