mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19831 Posts Offline

Posted: September 4, 2008, 6:08 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on September 4, 2008

Rjoh guess what? i saw your system and i thought about it too...I thought about it like 2 weeks ago, but i thought using 16 numbers and just waiting...Very good job...

I also notice that your system uses part of Tntea's Schooling for Powerball...

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Tntea's Schooling for PowerBall, I've seen some references to her posts about V-trac and the pick3/4 games but I don't follow those games. The things I've mentioned aren't unique to jackpot games and are probably done by every serious players who track the games they play.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19831 Posts Offline

Posted: September 5, 2008, 1:44 pm - IP Logged

For tonight's MM drawing, I've decided to pick combinations of fives from the following 44 numbers: 01 02 03 04 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 29 31 32 33 34 35 36 38 39 41 43 44 45 47 48 49 50 52 54 55 56 and pick the bonus numbers from the following 20 numbers:01 04 05 06 08 09 10 11 12 15 17 20 21 26 29 35 36 41 42 44

I will use similar distribution patterns and parameters as those I used for last Tuesday drawing with some adjustments since I now have 334 drawings to compare.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

CT United States Member #61398 May 21, 2008 781 Posts Offline

Posted: September 5, 2008, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on September 5, 2008

For tonight's MM drawing, I've decided to pick combinations of fives from the following 44 numbers: 01 02 03 04 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 29 31 32 33 34 35 36 38 39 41 43 44 45 47 48 49 50 52 54 55 56 and pick the bonus numbers from the following 20 numbers:01 04 05 06 08 09 10 11 12 15 17 20 21 26 29 35 36 41 42 44

I will use similar distribution patterns and parameters as those I used for last Tuesday drawing with some adjustments since I now have 334 drawings to compare.

If I was going to wheel 22 numbers for MM tonight (like we do for PB) I would play these:

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7322 Posts Offline

Posted: September 5, 2008, 4:48 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on September 4, 2008

Rjoh guess what? i saw your system and i thought about it too...I thought about it like 2 weeks ago, but i thought using 16 numbers and just waiting...Very good job...

I also notice that your system uses part of Tntea's Schooling for Powerball...

There is nothing unique about making the same statistical observations and if you examine 100 Powerball and Mega Millions systems it's likely you'll find statistical similarities in all of them. Just because I read about even/odd and high/low distribution in one of Gail Howard's books over 20 years ago, it doesn't mean anybody using that as a filter is using "part of Gail's system". That's why even/odd, high/low, and sum distribution are called standard filters; most systems use them.

I can only make a $1 bet on a specific 5 number combination and there is no $1 or even a $10,000 bet on 3 odd and 2 even numbers where I could "win" $250,000. So even if I correctly guessed there will be 3 odd numbers and 2 even numbers in tonight's Mega Millions drawing, it would cost me almost $1.5 million to guarantee matching all 5 numbers.

Dividing the total field into groups of 3 is another statistical tool and can be used as a standard filter. The idea of any filter and systems is to reduce all the combinations into playable combinations for the average lottery player. RJ is trying to develop a winning system that can be played reasonably and is using 40 numbers in 20 combinations. To do that, it's obvious RJ will have to use standard filers plus other filters that may or may not be unique.

Anyone can make the observation that Powerball schooling is using parts of other systems and at best it deserves a "how about that".

Your wheel has 368,676 combinations and RJ is using 20. Unless you can actually put the 22 numbers and 14 Mega numbers into a playable $20 bet, it's nothing more than a meaningless prediction.

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19831 Posts Offline

Posted: September 5, 2008, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

I used all 44 core numbers and the 20 bonus numbers in the 20 lines below. I posted the first 10 on the prediction board earlier. In a little bit the winning numbers will be posted at USAMega and I can review the results.

CT United States Member #61398 May 21, 2008 781 Posts Offline

Posted: September 6, 2008, 12:03 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on September 5, 2008

Your wheel has 368,676 combinations and RJ is using 20. Unless you can actually put the 22 numbers and 14 Mega numbers into a playable $20 bet, it's nothing more than a meaningless prediction.

Yes I am aware how many combinations would be involved in a 5if5 if 22 wheel. We have a pool of 18 people and each pay $5 week, which covers 2 drawings with a 3if5 of 22 wheel for 42 tickets. So it is $42 for our group, not 20. I would say that is very playable, even for many less people than 18.

The numbers my system generated as posted above matched 4 out of 5 from my 22 number group, but still no money.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7322 Posts Offline

Posted: September 6, 2008, 2:25 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stew12 on September 6, 2008

Yes I am aware how many combinations would be involved in a 5if5 if 22 wheel. We have a pool of 18 people and each pay $5 week, which covers 2 drawings with a 3if5 of 22 wheel for 42 tickets. So it is $42 for our group, not 20. I would say that is very playable, even for many less people than 18.

The numbers my system generated as posted above matched 4 out of 5 from my 22 number group, but still no money.

The only point I was trying to make, is even if we could consistently match 4 or 5 numbers, we still need an affordable way that maximizes the win potential. I generally play a 5/39 game that pays $1 for matching 2 numbers, $10 for 3, and $300 for matching 4. The secondary prizes make the playing strategy different because getting several 2 matches and/or a couple of 3s can get part of the bet back or show a profit.

Using pencil and paper wheels where numbers are substituted for letters, if you don't don't have to put the 22 numbers in numerical order so it's possible that the letter "A" could be the highest number in all of it's combos. The combos are placed back into numerical order when we fill out a pay slip and a computer generated wheel does that automatically.

The reason you didn't have a 4 number match wasn't because of the 3if5 wheel, it was the order you entered the 22 numbers and the number distribution in the wheel. If run the same wheel again and exchange the number 6 for 17 and 46 for 20, you'll have a 4 number match.

Even if you had matched all 5 numbers and got the one 3 and won $7, you would have a $35 loss. The wheel you used has the number 1 with the number 27 four times but not even once with 6 and 46 making it impossible to match 4 numbers. You could have used a 2if2 with 27 combos that would have given you a much better number distribution. There is no 3 match guarantee, but you'll only lose $27 instead of the $35 you would have lost on the 3 match guaranteed wheel. For kicks I entered the same 22 numbers into a 2if2 wheel and there was one 3 number match.

A 42 combination wheel is great when you can divide the cost 18 ways but that also means the winnings are divided 18 ways. Matching 4 numbers will only get each member $8.33 so you'll have to match all 5 numbers or 4 with the mega number to win anything substancial. Even though it's still possible to have the 5 winning numbers all in the same combo using a 3if5 wheel, it's more difficult because of the number distribution within the wheel. You might consider using wheels with better number distribution without win guarantees.

CT United States Member #61398 May 21, 2008 781 Posts Offline

Posted: September 6, 2008, 10:28 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on September 6, 2008

The only point I was trying to make, is even if we could consistently match 4 or 5 numbers, we still need an affordable way that maximizes the win potential. I generally play a 5/39 game that pays $1 for matching 2 numbers, $10 for 3, and $300 for matching 4. The secondary prizes make the playing strategy different because getting several 2 matches and/or a couple of 3s can get part of the bet back or show a profit.

Using pencil and paper wheels where numbers are substituted for letters, if you don't don't have to put the 22 numbers in numerical order so it's possible that the letter "A" could be the highest number in all of it's combos. The combos are placed back into numerical order when we fill out a pay slip and a computer generated wheel does that automatically.

The reason you didn't have a 4 number match wasn't because of the 3if5 wheel, it was the order you entered the 22 numbers and the number distribution in the wheel. If run the same wheel again and exchange the number 6 for 17 and 46 for 20, you'll have a 4 number match.

Even if you had matched all 5 numbers and got the one 3 and won $7, you would have a $35 loss. The wheel you used has the number 1 with the number 27 four times but not even once with 6 and 46 making it impossible to match 4 numbers. You could have used a 2if2 with 27 combos that would have given you a much better number distribution. There is no 3 match guarantee, but you'll only lose $27 instead of the $35 you would have lost on the 3 match guaranteed wheel. For kicks I entered the same 22 numbers into a 2if2 wheel and there was one 3 number match.

A 42 combination wheel is great when you can divide the cost 18 ways but that also means the winnings are divided 18 ways. Matching 4 numbers will only get each member $8.33 so you'll have to match all 5 numbers or 4 with the mega number to win anything substancial. Even though it's still possible to have the 5 winning numbers all in the same combo using a 3if5 wheel, it's more difficult because of the number distribution within the wheel. You might consider using wheels with better number distribution without win guarantees.

All excellent points Stack.

As for order, we don't put numbers in numerical order from A-Z for the wheeling. The most likely (or so I think) number will go in the slot with the most occurrences, and the least likely with the least occurrences.

Our little pool is in it's early stages (2nd week) so I'm still tweaking things here and there. We don't expect our weekly $5 to show a 100% return every week or anything like that, it's just a low-budget way for everyone to increase their chances in the hopes for the big one. I don't think anyone would even have a problem even splitting 15,000,000, nevermind the 46.3 million cash option from this week's Powerball. Besides, it's fun!

I might take you're suggestion for a different wheel for powerball. Looking at the same result from yesterday, if we were to have used a 2if2of28 wheel for MM (41 tickets, 1 less than we currently play), we would have picked up a 3+0 instead of no money at all.

Due up nums, pool size 266, TOP 14: 56,17,52,35,20,7,53,55,30,1,45,32,40,38

Due up nums, pool size 266, BOTTOM 14: 49,15,50,21,41,34,23,6,4,27,37,31,46,48

All 5 numbers were matched in the top 14/bottom 14 Due.

CT United States Member #61398 May 21, 2008 781 Posts Offline

Posted: September 8, 2008, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

Well we picked up $24 from powerball this weekend (although with a $42 purchase). Going to try Stack's idea and use a 2if2 of 30 wheel with the group this week. Back testing shows positive results.

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19831 Posts Offline

Posted: September 8, 2008, 4:04 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stew12 on September 8, 2008

Well we picked up $24 from powerball this weekend (although with a $42 purchase). Going to try Stack's idea and use a 2if2 of 30 wheel with the group this week. Back testing shows positive results.

Got some predictions for Tuesday RJOh?

Not yet but I have been looking for unique stats about previous drawings and.....

looking at the last 600 MegaMillions drawings I found every combination had a unique gap patterns except the two above which were 15 04 03 02, so I will be using previous gap patterns to eliminate combinations from my picks. I've ran some tests and found out gap patterns don't naturally repeat even when you don't try to avoid them but I added the feature to my RNG any way.

At least you're getting half your money back, what combinations did you play? I was thinking the ones you posted were a sample for MM. Continue success!

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

CT United States Member #61398 May 21, 2008 781 Posts Offline

Posted: September 9, 2008, 11:01 am - IP Logged

We played a 3if5 of 22 wheel (since I had already bought tickets before looking at the 2if2) and landed the 17,26,54 and the PB(11). They managed to be in the right positions to match all 3 on the same ticket (once), and two plus the PB twice. We played 14 PB numbers (3 times each). The tickets I posted on page 4 were testing for MM, but we do in fact play PB, not MM.

We're rolling some of the win back into the tickets and going with a 2if2 of 30 for Wednesday's PB! We'll see how that distribution works out for us, it looks promising.

United States Member #37109 April 10, 2006 57 Posts Offline

Posted: September 9, 2008, 11:44 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stew12 on September 9, 2008

We played a 3if5 of 22 wheel (since I had already bought tickets before looking at the 2if2) and landed the 17,26,54 and the PB(11). They managed to be in the right positions to match all 3 on the same ticket (once), and two plus the PB twice. We played 14 PB numbers (3 times each). The tickets I posted on page 4 were testing for MM, but we do in fact play PB, not MM.

We're rolling some of the win back into the tickets and going with a 2if2 of 30 for Wednesday's PB! We'll see how that distribution works out for us, it looks promising.