United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 12, 2009, 5:02 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on August 12, 2009

Because they are playing 600 numbers, they have a 60% chance of winning in each drawing and it sounds great until we do the math. If they play 10 drawings they should win 6 of them but would still lose $150 unless they double up after a win and win in two consecutive drawings. The key would be choosing which 600 numbers to play and giving yourself the best chance of winning two or more days in a row.

Hi Stack. You're correct in the general idea but, the 60% in my opinion, is wrong. I base this on the repetitive nature of the drawings which I elaborated on with Bob. When you're playing 600 or so numbers and the common nature of the numbers duplicate themselves from one draw to the very next, your chances are automatically elevated to win. In other words, if you apply the factors of digits being drawn twice even three times, the average movement of any single digit, and the overall sum of the entire product, you have no choice but to match the number(s).

The more factors you apply, the more numbers you'll need especially to cover a possible "mishap" of an extreme progression or regression in sum or single digit movement. This requires numbers and there's no way around it. Think of it as an insurance policy. Cheap policy, little coverage (money) with LOTS of liability. Good policy, lots of coverage (numbers) with very low liability. Maybe my downside is that I look at this through business eyes but, that's what it is for me.

When numbers continue to do virtually the same thing and you're following what they do with virtually the same numbers, how hard is it to really win? Just some more food for thought and I like when people start to kick numbers around like you, 'Toss, and Bob. This is what I'm really trying to get more people to see...numbers just don't lie.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 12, 2009, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 11, 2009

OK, you guys have lost me here, or I'm figuring it wrong, or you're figuring it wrong.

600 X .25 = $150 right there, no? If you don;t hit with the 25 cwnt ppays you are already stuuck $150, so if the next comes .50 and then .75, how is $150 the most you can lose?

So another 600 X .50 = $300 and 600 X .75 = $450.

If you run onto a wall- WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ANY FORM OF GAMBLING - you are already stuck $150 + 300 + $450, which is $900.

From that point on you're playing catch-up.

One of the major tenets of gambling 101 is NEVER ASSUME A WIN.

Anyone assuming a win in lotto is their own worst enemy.

If my figuruing is wrong, then my faux pas, but if it's not, this is the kind of hype system sellers and touts use and no one is supposed to catch.

"Hey stick, tell 'em double up and catch up, it males a lot of money for the house."

- Las vegas dice pit boss to stickman on a crap table.

See my sigs, especially the last two.

"Anybody can hit a dartboard bullseye with a shotgun. Only a skid or a tout would brag about having done so."

Okay, 'Toss I see your point here which seems more like braggin' rights in my opinion. Nothing wrong with braggin' rights at all. But, when it comes to this game, braggin' rights are far and few between aka Luck when you're skimpy with your numbers.

If the contest involves who can hit the bullseye from say 20' away for a top prize of $50.00 a pop but, you can also try from 10' for a $15.00 prize which one would you do? No need to ask 'ole 'Match 'cause I'm gonna get on that 10' mark and hit it three times for my easy $45.00 while 'ole "Toss is still across the street tryin' to peg it!! LOL!!

Yeah, you make more money farther away, but what are the chances of hitting it and doing it consistently? No way around it 'Toss, the closer you can get to your target, the better. Numbers never lie...

Dump Water Florida United States Member #380 June 5, 2002 3104 Posts Offline

Posted: August 12, 2009, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, 0-1-2 in various forms was the hottest number in Florida for years. Since then I've never been comfortable with sums as a filter to exclude numbers from play. After all, more winning numbers come from more populated sums only because there are more numbers in that sum. Some of the numbers in a sum range can be real stinkers.

If you take a software like http://www.lottery-helper.com and count hits in past draws, say 400 for boxed, you can note daily the win frequency the number came from. You can exclude numbers with zero or one hit and those with too many hits and you start to realize the winning numbers come from a range between 2 and 4 previous hits. Filter out those that don't have a digit in common with the previous draw and it starts to look like a system.

You might need a couple of thousand draws to work the same thing out for straight play to find the range the most hits come from.

My system of creating three 1000+ draw positional one ball draw histories in Gail Howard and using the D chart to get 3 columns of 5 numbers for 125 positional bets worked ok and you could lose three times and still break even on the forth draw, but I hated sweating it out.

As for how much you lose, compare to a scratcher system. Walk into the 7/11 and buy a $20. scratch. Lose and next day buy another. Win and next day buy two or ten depending on how much you won. Like lotto the idea is ignore the small losses to keep playing until you hit the big one.

With Pick-3 the idea is to reach the point where you can put ten dollars down on your numbers, though I wouldn't want to be doing that with 600 at the 7/11.

Like a roulette lunch system. Walk into the casino with $20. you can lose no more per session. Bet $5 on 4 numbers or $4 on 5 numbers, lose you walk away. You've limited your potential losses to $20 per session. Win and you let it ride, win and let it ride, know when to walk away while winning or don't walk away and try to reach the house limit and get paid like a Pick-5 lottery winner. From the standpoint of playing you don't add up the losses, they are merely the price of admission to reach the starting point. All the heavy lifting is done with house money if and when you win some.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 12, 2009, 6:39 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on August 12, 2009

Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, 0-1-2 in various forms was the hottest number in Florida for years. Since then I've never been comfortable with sums as a filter to exclude numbers from play. After all, more winning numbers come from more populated sums only because there are more numbers in that sum. Some of the numbers in a sum range can be real stinkers.

If you take a software like http://www.lottery-helper.com and count hits in past draws, say 400 for boxed, you can note daily the win frequency the number came from. You can exclude numbers with zero or one hit and those with too many hits and you start to realize the winning numbers come from a range between 2 and 4 previous hits. Filter out those that don't have a digit in common with the previous draw and it starts to look like a system.

You might need a couple of thousand draws to work the same thing out for straight play to find the range the most hits come from.

My system of creating three 1000+ draw positional one ball draw histories in Gail Howard and using the D chart to get 3 columns of 5 numbers for 125 positional bets worked ok and you could lose three times and still break even on the forth draw, but I hated sweating it out.

As for how much you lose, compare to a scratcher system. Walk into the 7/11 and buy a $20. scratch. Lose and next day buy another. Win and next day buy two or ten depending on how much you won. Like lotto the idea is ignore the small losses to keep playing until you hit the big one.

With Pick-3 the idea is to reach the point where you can put ten dollars down on your numbers, though I wouldn't want to be doing that with 600 at the 7/11.

Like a roulette lunch system. Walk into the casino with $20. you can lose no more per session. Bet $5 on 4 numbers or $4 on 5 numbers, lose you walk away. You've limited your potential losses to $20 per session. Win and you let it ride, win and let it ride, know when to walk away while winning or don't walk away and try to reach the house limit and get paid like a Pick-5 lottery winner. From the standpoint of playing you don't add up the losses, they are merely the price of admission to reach the starting point. All the heavy lifting is done with house money if and when you win some.

BobP

Very well said, Bob. Nothing but sense here. When I win, I win house money. When I lose, I lose house money. This is the only way to stay ahead, otherwise you're staying behind. Dam good post!!!

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 12, 2009, 10:52 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on August 12, 2009

Because they are playing 600 numbers, they have a 60% chance of winning in each drawing and it sounds great until we do the math. If they play 10 drawings they should win 6 of them but would still lose $150 unless they double up after a win and win in two consecutive drawings. The key would be choosing which 600 numbers to play and giving yourself the best chance of winning two or more days in a row.

This defines the systematic way of playing which also contributes to higher odds in one's favor. Believe it or not, if you stick with the system at this level of number count, the 85% ratio is very much a reality. Recovering the initial investment back is the most important thing towards using other than your money to wager. Once you make this back in two wins, the monkey is off your back and you're actually being paid.

I can't understand how this doesn't make sense if you're in doubt still. One of my clients was interested in this after I had mentioned what I was into. Understandingly, he was in doubt with everything just as most people are when it comes to gambling so I had to show and prove with consistence. After going over all the odds, numbers involved, numerical behavior, and providing predetermined playlists which were designed to compliment the draw, he was convinced.

In fact, I only matched two draws for him and the system I designed for him required a total of (4) wins to recover his investment because it was safer at (700) total numbers which is $175.00 buy in on a .25 cent play. This is the same person I mentioned in another thread who is playing $1.00 per number right now once daily for $200.00 in profit. He did once play $2.00 per number and made $400.00 but has since stayed with $1.00. He's playing with 3/4 of the total numbers and there's nothing that's gonna keep him from winning 85%-90% of the time he plays which is only when conditions are ideal...and not every single draw.

Yeah, I know. That's a lot of numbers (money) to play but look at the odds in his favor all the time which equates to money ready to be made. I've even put together a sum program for someone which includes all of the numbers, for this particular range, and generates a completely safe $200.00 per day. There are many ways to make this work for you but, it all costs money to do it. Not money for me but, money to play the numbers required to get the hits. It's there...you just have to want it bad enough.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 13, 2009, 11:32 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on August 12, 2009

Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, 0-1-2 in various forms was the hottest number in Florida for years. Since then I've never been comfortable with sums as a filter to exclude numbers from play. After all, more winning numbers come from more populated sums only because there are more numbers in that sum. Some of the numbers in a sum range can be real stinkers.

If you take a software like http://www.lottery-helper.com and count hits in past draws, say 400 for boxed, you can note daily the win frequency the number came from. You can exclude numbers with zero or one hit and those with too many hits and you start to realize the winning numbers come from a range between 2 and 4 previous hits. Filter out those that don't have a digit in common with the previous draw and it starts to look like a system.

You might need a couple of thousand draws to work the same thing out for straight play to find the range the most hits come from.

My system of creating three 1000+ draw positional one ball draw histories in Gail Howard and using the D chart to get 3 columns of 5 numbers for 125 positional bets worked ok and you could lose three times and still break even on the forth draw, but I hated sweating it out.

As for how much you lose, compare to a scratcher system. Walk into the 7/11 and buy a $20. scratch. Lose and next day buy another. Win and next day buy two or ten depending on how much you won. Like lotto the idea is ignore the small losses to keep playing until you hit the big one.

With Pick-3 the idea is to reach the point where you can put ten dollars down on your numbers, though I wouldn't want to be doing that with 600 at the 7/11.

Like a roulette lunch system. Walk into the casino with $20. you can lose no more per session. Bet $5 on 4 numbers or $4 on 5 numbers, lose you walk away. You've limited your potential losses to $20 per session. Win and you let it ride, win and let it ride, know when to walk away while winning or don't walk away and try to reach the house limit and get paid like a Pick-5 lottery winner. From the standpoint of playing you don't add up the losses, they are merely the price of admission to reach the starting point. All the heavy lifting is done with house money if and when you win some.

BobP

On the subject of casinos, I really find this interesting as well. It's all gambling in some shape, form or fashion and some games are easier to play than others as some are easier to win than others...to an extent. I know people who love to visit Vegas for all the right reasons...the good food, night and day life, noone knows you there, etc. However, the gambling is the big thing and these guys take good money to play with and basically give away with the hopes of maybe winning some big money.

Bare with me because this might be a slight tongue twister and not on purpose. Winning isn't winning in the sense of winning if you haven't won back above and beyond what you have in it. If these conditions aren't met, then you're merely getting back what you've previously lost and many a people feel that they've done something if they win that $200.00 slot jackpot when they actually have well over that as a total still buried in with other games and losses.

Hey, it's still good that they hit the $200.00 but, it's only money you've luckily recovered. Anyhow, they know I play Pick 3 and that I play heavy when doing so. They just don't see the reasoning behind my idea of taking $700.00 of that $2000.00 they take to Vegas to blow and make it actually work for them after (4) wins. I was told and I quote, "Man, that's a lotta money to just drop on a bunch of numbers with the odds involved and it'll take too long, still, to get my money back anyway. I just don't see how you could spend all that for the jackpot (payout) you win".

Now, they left $2,000.00 in Vegas for the house to enjoy with very little chance of getting even a portion of that money back and what I do is too risky for them. I never said another word about it because they didn't want to understand how it all worked together for the good and their benefit. These guys have lots of money to blow with no real money sense and they're hooked on hope of that big win because they see a couple of others who have gotten luck when they went and did it.

It's very true that a fool and his money will soon part...and in this case two fools were involved. It really amazes me...seriously.

Zeta Reticuli Star System United States Member #30470 January 17, 2006 10354 Posts Offline

Posted: August 13, 2009, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

Matchmaker

Since you mentioned casinos, let me throw this in (no hijack).

One of the casinos I workled in was a downtown Vegas casino that had a heavy Hawaiin trade. Nice people and they tipped pretty good, but their strategy on the dice tables was a bit odd.

Instead of placing numbers right after the come out, they would wait to see the number rolled, almost as if they had to verify it was on the dice, and then place it. It got to the point we called these "Hawaiin come bets". (If you know the game, you'll know what I mean).

So when the number showed, had they have went inside, outside, or across with place bets they would have been getting paid. But by waiting to see it rolled, then placing it, they cost themselves a lot of payoffs.

So a few times when we got of work, we would take them to another casino and show them how to play a little smarter. Invariably they would make a nice little score if the dice cooperated.

But the thing was, as we all walked back to the first casino, us to get to the parking lot, and them just to get back, they'd get right back on the tables and revert to the "Hawaiin come bets."

Stickman: "Eight, hard eight, windowpanes."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on eight." ("Him" is the chips, the bet)

Stickman: "Ten, hard ten, stars from Mars."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on ten"

Seven out!

(For those who don't know the game, had the bet the eight and ten from the get go they would have got paid. You're a lot more likely to see the numbers once before a 7 than twice, so they way they bet, all night long, they cost themselves payoffs.)

Sp yeah, whether it's dice, lotto, horses, or sports, people bet like they do and can't get" outside of that box."

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7322 Posts Offline

Posted: August 13, 2009, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Matchmaker on August 12, 2009

Hi Stack. You're correct in the general idea but, the 60% in my opinion, is wrong. I base this on the repetitive nature of the drawings which I elaborated on with Bob. When you're playing 600 or so numbers and the common nature of the numbers duplicate themselves from one draw to the very next, your chances are automatically elevated to win. In other words, if you apply the factors of digits being drawn twice even three times, the average movement of any single digit, and the overall sum of the entire product, you have no choice but to match the number(s).

The more factors you apply, the more numbers you'll need especially to cover a possible "mishap" of an extreme progression or regression in sum or single digit movement. This requires numbers and there's no way around it. Think of it as an insurance policy. Cheap policy, little coverage (money) with LOTS of liability. Good policy, lots of coverage (numbers) with very low liability. Maybe my downside is that I look at this through business eyes but, that's what it is for me.

When numbers continue to do virtually the same thing and you're following what they do with virtually the same numbers, how hard is it to really win? Just some more food for thought and I like when people start to kick numbers around like you, 'Toss, and Bob. This is what I'm really trying to get more people to see...numbers just don't lie.

The 60 - 40 ratio is the chances of winning against the chances of losing and that percentage is exactly the same in each drawing you play 600 numbers. The same ratio would be present even if you chose 000 - 599 as your 600 numbers or used each digit in each position 60 times.

"I base this on the repetive nature of the drawings"

If in fact each numbered ball in each digit position has an equal chance of being drawn, the receptive nature is in the probabilities. I examined the 597 combinations using sums 11 to 19 and found the digit frequency to be very unbalanced. The digit 7 is used twice as many times as 0, but that really doesn't matter because those numbers have about the same 60% chance of being drawn as another other 600 numbers. The exact amount varies but on average one or more digits from the previous drawing will repeat around 72% so that could be a starting point to get the back to back hits that are necessary to show a profit. Play all the combos having at least one digit from the previous drawing and maybe only play on days following three different digits.

I'm not skeptical about your methodology and can see where it could be profitable getting the $900 to $1 payouts by playing online.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 14, 2009, 12:10 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 13, 2009

Matchmaker

Since you mentioned casinos, let me throw this in (no hijack).

One of the casinos I workled in was a downtown Vegas casino that had a heavy Hawaiin trade. Nice people and they tipped pretty good, but their strategy on the dice tables was a bit odd.

Instead of placing numbers right after the come out, they would wait to see the number rolled, almost as if they had to verify it was on the dice, and then place it. It got to the point we called these "Hawaiin come bets". (If you know the game, you'll know what I mean).

So when the number showed, had they have went inside, outside, or across with place bets they would have been getting paid. But by waiting to see it rolled, then placing it, they cost themselves a lot of payoffs.

So a few times when we got of work, we would take them to another casino and show them how to play a little smarter. Invariably they would make a nice little score if the dice cooperated.

But the thing was, as we all walked back to the first casino, us to get to the parking lot, and them just to get back, they'd get right back on the tables and revert to the "Hawaiin come bets."

Stickman: "Eight, hard eight, windowpanes."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on eight." ("Him" is the chips, the bet)

Stickman: "Ten, hard ten, stars from Mars."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on ten"

Seven out!

(For those who don't know the game, had the bet the eight and ten from the get go they would have got paid. You're a lot more likely to see the numbers once before a 7 than twice, so they way they bet, all night long, they cost themselves payoffs.)

Sp yeah, whether it's dice, lotto, horses, or sports, people bet like they do and can't get" outside of that box."

I've heard similar stories like this one but, have only seen it for myself once. When I go to the casinos, I normally go for the food, drinks, and general entertainment of the atmosphere. When I sit around the Blackjack, Roulette, or Poker tables I'm just sitting and learning what "NOT" to do or, at at best, "TRY" and not do. Hey, we've all lost money in some form from gambling and it's cool if you go into it with the attitude of just having fun and to say, "I did this or that".

I still do it now when I play the Texas MegaMillions and regular Lottery. I know before I get my tickets what the odds are of me hitting all six and / or the Power Ball with only $20 bucks. Hey, it's all good because I'm just having fun with hopes of getting very lucky every time and this is what it's all about with BIG NUMBER GAMES. With Pick 3, one actually has reasonable "control" over the outcome each and every time.

In my opinion, it's sensless to not play "heavy" and generate the smaller profit and make descently over time. To me, spending substantially less on Pick 3 is no different than me spending that same $20 bucks on MegaMillions. Only my opinion here. However, I respect how any and every player decides to wager their money and how much. Furthermore, I'm not trying to downplay anyone or their style of play but, rather cause them to think about what their money is doing for them.

If your money is producing for you, then this thread isn't for you. If it's not, then you should have your pen, pencil, paper, calculator, white out, and a snack. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting the same results. Do something different and guess what...??? Good night.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7322 Posts Offline

Posted: August 14, 2009, 11:18 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Matchmaker on August 14, 2009

I've heard similar stories like this one but, have only seen it for myself once. When I go to the casinos, I normally go for the food, drinks, and general entertainment of the atmosphere. When I sit around the Blackjack, Roulette, or Poker tables I'm just sitting and learning what "NOT" to do or, at at best, "TRY" and not do. Hey, we've all lost money in some form from gambling and it's cool if you go into it with the attitude of just having fun and to say, "I did this or that".

I still do it now when I play the Texas MegaMillions and regular Lottery. I know before I get my tickets what the odds are of me hitting all six and / or the Power Ball with only $20 bucks. Hey, it's all good because I'm just having fun with hopes of getting very lucky every time and this is what it's all about with BIG NUMBER GAMES. With Pick 3, one actually has reasonable "control" over the outcome each and every time.

In my opinion, it's sensless to not play "heavy" and generate the smaller profit and make descently over time. To me, spending substantially less on Pick 3 is no different than me spending that same $20 bucks on MegaMillions. Only my opinion here. However, I respect how any and every player decides to wager their money and how much. Furthermore, I'm not trying to downplay anyone or their style of play but, rather cause them to think about what their money is doing for them.

If your money is producing for you, then this thread isn't for you. If it's not, then you should have your pen, pencil, paper, calculator, white out, and a snack. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting the same results. Do something different and guess what...??? Good night.

The vigorish for playing pick-3 online is 10% and around 5% for casino roulette and 1.62% just betting the pass or don't pass lines using free odds playing craps. They say with a sound card counting method and hitting strategy, the odds in blackjack actually favor the player. Comparing the risk/rewards of playing 600 pick-3 numbers to playing red on the roulette wheel, your method is getting better coverage (60% vs 47.3%) but your return is only 50% where on red it's 100%. In 100 drawings you can expect to win $4500 but also lose $6000 in the other 40 drawings for a net loss of $1500. The same bets by betting red on 100 spins you can expect to lose $600.

Doubling up favors roulette too because unless you can bet $.375 on each of your 600 combos, you can't let your bet ride. After the first win if you take back half your initial investment ($75 in either game) and bet the rest trying for two in a row. The pick-3 net win would be $150 and the roulette would be $375. For a true double up (letting the initial bet and winnings ride) you would have to start at $.50 a number or $300. After the first pick-3 win you could bet back $450 on the next drawing and win $375 ($675 minus the initial bet of $300) or try for two reds in a row and win $900 ($1200 minus $300). You could pocket another $300 and bet back $600 of the house money* to win another $1200 trying for three in a row.

I probably went way off topic and since I don't know anybody that would walk into a casino make only two bets and walking (or run) out five minutes later with a $900 profit, it doesn't really compare to waiting 24 hours for the out come of two pick-3 drawings either. While I like the idea of getting the win percentages in our favor, I doubt many players will get very excited when they find out they'll only get a $225 return on a $150 wager on a game that pays $900 for $1.

*Since we have the option of going to the gage and cashing the chips in, is it really house money or our money we are risking?

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 14, 2009, 1:09 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on August 14, 2009

The vigorish for playing pick-3 online is 10% and around 5% for casino roulette and 1.62% just betting the pass or don't pass lines using free odds playing craps. They say with a sound card counting method and hitting strategy, the odds in blackjack actually favor the player. Comparing the risk/rewards of playing 600 pick-3 numbers to playing red on the roulette wheel, your method is getting better coverage (60% vs 47.3%) but your return is only 50% where on red it's 100%. In 100 drawings you can expect to win $4500 but also lose $6000 in the other 40 drawings for a net loss of $1500. The same bets by betting red on 100 spins you can expect to lose $600.

Doubling up favors roulette too because unless you can bet $.375 on each of your 600 combos, you can't let your bet ride. After the first win if you take back half your initial investment ($75 in either game) and bet the rest trying for two in a row. The pick-3 net win would be $150 and the roulette would be $375. For a true double up (letting the initial bet and winnings ride) you would have to start at $.50 a number or $300. After the first pick-3 win you could bet back $450 on the next drawing and win $375 ($675 minus the initial bet of $300) or try for two reds in a row and win $900 ($1200 minus $300). You could pocket another $300 and bet back $600 of the house money* to win another $1200 trying for three in a row.

I probably went way off topic and since I don't know anybody that would walk into a casino make only two bets and walking (or run) out five minutes later with a $900 profit, it doesn't really compare to waiting 24 hours for the out come of two pick-3 drawings either. While I like the idea of getting the win percentages in our favor, I doubt many players will get very excited when they find out they'll only get a $225 return on a $150 wager on a game that pays $900 for $1.

*Since we have the option of going to the gage and cashing the chips in, is it really house money or our money we are risking?

I agree with most of what you're saying here and this on the premise of ideal situations and wins. However, there are two differences here. First, with Pick 3, you have slightly under 3/4 of the total numbers covered and with all the factors figured in regarding repeated behavior patterns, the odds are elevated again. These games definitely have their similarities, in my opinion, and I interpret them both fairly with the "apples to apples" and "oranges to oranges".

This is what I see comparing Roulette and Pick 3: Roulette equals Red and Black...Pick equals Odd and Even. How often do the colors in Roulette change from drawing to drawing in comparsion to the change in numerical notation of Pick 3 drawing to drawing? It's hard to cover all those Reds and Blacks with Roulette in comparison to a set scale in Pick 3. With Pick 3, one can evenly cover the odd and even numbers (combinations) and have excellent chances of winning...consistently.

Secondly, you can implement a system with Pick 3 and actually stick to it based on the way it's designed to get the hit. So, as long as you don't deviate from your system you should be successful with all the numbers involved. With Roulette, I don't see where any system can be consistently executed in terms of limitations.

The difference in the $150 and $225 is $75...clear profit. Each time one wins with this system and simply increases the wager after that win, you're closer to the $900 to $1 payout. In fact, after the initial win (buy in), only (3) wins are required to enjoy that $900 to $1 for a $300 profit using the SAME SYSTEM. No need to front the $600 when you have a system to follow that's consistent enought to get you there starting with $150.

Hey, this is what I was trying to do when I first came to LP, remember? I was greedy and disregarding the integrity of my system because I wanted all that profit RIGHT THEN. A few people here actually set me straight with saying that if my system is so consistent, then just save the money and work your way up. Didn't wanna hear that because I was tryin' to get somewhere fast but, it turned out for the better. I lost control of my patience in this whole thing and patience is really the second rule of thumb when using a system.

Gotta wait for the right conditions to make your ideal move with this game. EVERYTHING has a system, folks. Look at the weather. Tornadoes and Hurricanes both require specific conditions to produce the same result over and over. When the clouds get full, it rains...everytime. When there's overcast, there's no sun. When there are no clouds, there's sun...everytime. Numbers are no different.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 14, 2009, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 13, 2009

Matchmaker

Since you mentioned casinos, let me throw this in (no hijack).

One of the casinos I workled in was a downtown Vegas casino that had a heavy Hawaiin trade. Nice people and they tipped pretty good, but their strategy on the dice tables was a bit odd.

Instead of placing numbers right after the come out, they would wait to see the number rolled, almost as if they had to verify it was on the dice, and then place it. It got to the point we called these "Hawaiin come bets". (If you know the game, you'll know what I mean).

So when the number showed, had they have went inside, outside, or across with place bets they would have been getting paid. But by waiting to see it rolled, then placing it, they cost themselves a lot of payoffs.

So a few times when we got of work, we would take them to another casino and show them how to play a little smarter. Invariably they would make a nice little score if the dice cooperated.

But the thing was, as we all walked back to the first casino, us to get to the parking lot, and them just to get back, they'd get right back on the tables and revert to the "Hawaiin come bets."

Stickman: "Eight, hard eight, windowpanes."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on eight." ("Him" is the chips, the bet)

Stickman: "Ten, hard ten, stars from Mars."

Hawaiin player: "Put him on ten"

Seven out!

(For those who don't know the game, had the bet the eight and ten from the get go they would have got paid. You're a lot more likely to see the numbers once before a 7 than twice, so they way they bet, all night long, they cost themselves payoffs.)

Sp yeah, whether it's dice, lotto, horses, or sports, people bet like they do and can't get" outside of that box."

"Toss, you have (3) very good cliches attached to your avatar but, the second one is my absolute favorite. When I go in to play my numbers, I'm already at a loss as it costs me double the amount I make in profit alone to only make $75 of it back...at .25 cents respectively. However, the volume in which that second cliche speaks about more than makes up for that ratio which is severly offset and for good reason.

As long as you get your money back and can do so within reasonable time, it doesn't matter any more what the ratio is because you're ahead now and the house is actually putting up the money now for you to make that same $75. It's ALWAYS better to use someones else's money to accomplish your goals... aka LOANS but, you would'nt be actually borrowing money from the house.

In case you didn't notice, there's a recovery factor built in here which allows one to get back on the saddle with relative ease of cost...at least in my opinion. I'm almost done revising my Pick 4 program which will be a copy of the Pick 3 with provisions for "cutting off the fat". If you think it costs me a lot to run Pick 3, you should see the buy in for Pick 4 which will allow me to make no less than double what I clear in Pick 3 @ $1 per number. This is only baseline with no filtering whatsoever. Run these numbers through your calculator and tell me what you think about the profit for roughly 30 minutes of work...

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7322 Posts Offline

Posted: August 15, 2009, 12:30 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Matchmaker on August 14, 2009

I agree with most of what you're saying here and this on the premise of ideal situations and wins. However, there are two differences here. First, with Pick 3, you have slightly under 3/4 of the total numbers covered and with all the factors figured in regarding repeated behavior patterns, the odds are elevated again. These games definitely have their similarities, in my opinion, and I interpret them both fairly with the "apples to apples" and "oranges to oranges".

This is what I see comparing Roulette and Pick 3: Roulette equals Red and Black...Pick equals Odd and Even. How often do the colors in Roulette change from drawing to drawing in comparsion to the change in numerical notation of Pick 3 drawing to drawing? It's hard to cover all those Reds and Blacks with Roulette in comparison to a set scale in Pick 3. With Pick 3, one can evenly cover the odd and even numbers (combinations) and have excellent chances of winning...consistently.

Secondly, you can implement a system with Pick 3 and actually stick to it based on the way it's designed to get the hit. So, as long as you don't deviate from your system you should be successful with all the numbers involved. With Roulette, I don't see where any system can be consistently executed in terms of limitations.

The difference in the $150 and $225 is $75...clear profit. Each time one wins with this system and simply increases the wager after that win, you're closer to the $900 to $1 payout. In fact, after the initial win (buy in), only (3) wins are required to enjoy that $900 to $1 for a $300 profit using the SAME SYSTEM. No need to front the $600 when you have a system to follow that's consistent enought to get you there starting with $150.

Hey, this is what I was trying to do when I first came to LP, remember? I was greedy and disregarding the integrity of my system because I wanted all that profit RIGHT THEN. A few people here actually set me straight with saying that if my system is so consistent, then just save the money and work your way up. Didn't wanna hear that because I was tryin' to get somewhere fast but, it turned out for the better. I lost control of my patience in this whole thing and patience is really the second rule of thumb when using a system.

Gotta wait for the right conditions to make your ideal move with this game. EVERYTHING has a system, folks. Look at the weather. Tornadoes and Hurricanes both require specific conditions to produce the same result over and over. When the clouds get full, it rains...everytime. When there's overcast, there's no sun. When there are no clouds, there's sun...everytime. Numbers are no different.

There are roulette bets where you can play 24 numbers and get exactly the same payoff and around the same coverage (63%) as playing 600 pick-3 numbers; the row and section bets pay 2 to 1. The rows are every third number, 1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25-28-31-34, 2-5-8-etc, and 3-6-9-etc. The sections are 1-12, 13-24, and 25-36. Put $75 each on two of the rows or two of the sections and if the ball lands in one of those numbers, they will take the losing $75 bet and put your winnings ($150) with the $75 bet and you have $225.

"Gotta wait for the right conditions to make your ideal move with this game."

Any group of 600 numbers has exactly the same chance of one of its combinations being drawn as another. It's difficult finding consistency when comparing one group of 600 numbers to another because there will always be duplicates. I believe the easiest way to find consistency is isolate on one digit position. Use all the front pairs 6 times each using only the digits that are in your sum range, even/odd, high/low distribution and/or repeating digits ranges. Using back pairs or outside pairs will get the same results.

Since the idea is to win three draws in a row or at least two to break even, start after a drawing that is out of a high percentage range. If 88.8% of the sums are between 6 and 21 and the last drawing sum was 0 to 5 or 22 to 27, the percentages certainly favor it not happening in the next 3 draws. In just the current KY midday pick-3 drawings sums between 6 and 21 have been drawn in 8 consecutive drawings after 102 was drawn. You can use the sum range 9 to 18 and still find many spots where you can catch 3 or more consecutive drawings.

Only twice in the last 200 drawing have to digits repeated in the same position; another very high percentage range (97% over the last 1000 KY midday drawings). There are other high percentage ranges that when combined give an excellent opportunity to catch 3 or even more drawings in a row after the number has hit outside the ranges.

United States Member #75060 May 26, 2009 300 Posts Offline

Posted: August 15, 2009, 11:15 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on August 15, 2009

There are roulette bets where you can play 24 numbers and get exactly the same payoff and around the same coverage (63%) as playing 600 pick-3 numbers; the row and section bets pay 2 to 1. The rows are every third number, 1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25-28-31-34, 2-5-8-etc, and 3-6-9-etc. The sections are 1-12, 13-24, and 25-36. Put $75 each on two of the rows or two of the sections and if the ball lands in one of those numbers, they will take the losing $75 bet and put your winnings ($150) with the $75 bet and you have $225.

"Gotta wait for the right conditions to make your ideal move with this game."

Any group of 600 numbers has exactly the same chance of one of its combinations being drawn as another. It's difficult finding consistency when comparing one group of 600 numbers to another because there will always be duplicates. I believe the easiest way to find consistency is isolate on one digit position. Use all the front pairs 6 times each using only the digits that are in your sum range, even/odd, high/low distribution and/or repeating digits ranges. Using back pairs or outside pairs will get the same results.

Since the idea is to win three draws in a row or at least two to break even, start after a drawing that is out of a high percentage range. If 88.8% of the sums are between 6 and 21 and the last drawing sum was 0 to 5 or 22 to 27, the percentages certainly favor it not happening in the next 3 draws. In just the current KY midday pick-3 drawings sums between 6 and 21 have been drawn in 8 consecutive drawings after 102 was drawn. You can use the sum range 9 to 18 and still find many spots where you can catch 3 or more consecutive drawings.

Only twice in the last 200 drawing have to digits repeated in the same position; another very high percentage range (97% over the last 1000 KY midday drawings). There are other high percentage ranges that when combined give an excellent opportunity to catch 3 or even more drawings in a row after the number has hit outside the ranges.

See, you're right on point when it comes to the sum-type play style! This is what I presented to my last client and assured her that by playing sums 5-20, AT THE RIGHT TIME, she would make a guaranteed $200 per day playing both drawings. Hey, it hasn't failed yet and that was well over a week ago and she made her investment back after only (4) days!!! You like sums 9-18 and I was using sums 11-19 when I was doing "dry runs" here on LP. Sums 11-19 equal 600 total numbers and I was matching two of the three numbers with no problem. The only thing I was missing was all odd and all even combinations.

My 11-19 deal was only 450 total numbers because I took the time to remove all str8 odd and all str8 even combinations and this is the only reason I missed matching every time. I knew what I was doing, man, and this isn't rocket science as you already know. Play the numbers and you'll win...plain and simple. I am currently in the process of presenting yet another possible client the art of matching numbers for profit!!! So far, had he played, he would've already made $300 of his investment back and he's nothing less than amazed!!

Tonight he called and we'll be getting things prepared for Monday Midday. He offered to pay me $50 bucks per win after he got his investment back...I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven!!!