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Posted: February 11, 2011, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

Thanks Jimmy, I finally got it and a most worth while read for those inclined towards fiorensic invetigation-

"Biology Is Not Destiny...."                                                                                                                                                  ~Adrian Raim"Biological Basis of Crime"

Raim makes a sensible presenation in that chapter but so do others; paraphrasing Harvard's Prof Wilson "On Human Nature"

"People are born left handed...."

How many intangaibles remain unknown just as in horseracing with perhaps 28 accepted inluencing factors & still diificult to predict because of the unknown factors.

We are all stupid," wrote Mark Twain, "just on different subjects." Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I get overwhelmed when I think about all the blanks in my education and the ignorance that pockmarks my understanding/

"Avaritia facit bardus" - Greed makes you stupid.

Maybe the nature of gaming.....maybe where ever lots of money is involved in any form of speculation

Perhaps that's why moral And when talking gamingCodes of behavior for society security  must take prescident over psychological analysis.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
~Albert Einstein

And denial (not EgyptWink) is one of the sacred rules in the gaming mecca When talking about LV & perhaps everything else in life:

"It ain't what youdon't know thatgets you into trouble....it's what you know for sure that just aint so."                                 ~Mark Twain

Note Bene:                                                                                                                                                                                  I just want to express my delight of having a rational man who makes sense communicating openly on this thread. Others exisist but prefer to remain anonomous behind PM's & Emails

Vox Clamantis in Deserto" (Voice crying in the Nevada Deserto).

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Thanks for the feedback EddessaKnight.

My favorite Quote:

"We are all stupid," wrote Mark Twain, "just on different subjects."

My favorite quote comment: (And most thought provoking!)

"Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I get overwhelmed when I think about all the blanks in my  education and the ignorance that pockmarks my understanding."

My most frustrating aspect of LP:

"Others exist but prefer to remain anonomous behind PM's & Emails"

...or worse, remain silent!

--Jimmy4164

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    Posted: February 12, 2011, 1:04 am - IP Logged

    PLAY NO EVIL-

    Hey CT et al , do appreciate your contuning interest albeit often in loyal defense of the casino business.

    Regarding sleight of hand personell of the past, I personally know a " stopper" I am sure you know of such. This amiable & highly talented house dealer is at the ready when players who by luck or by pluck are on a winning streak and pit rotates them into deal so as to change their luck and there are wheel burner croups who are known to clean a roulette table in 30 min. Perhaps you haven't 'eye' witnessed any "coolers" in action but they have & do secretly exsist although not usually talked about openly.

    Heat - Intensive scrutiny of a player's action to determine if he has an edge either due to cheating or expertise. Casinos turn up the heat if you seem to be winning too frequently or in big amounts. As one thing is certain, they can't or wont give back the money.

    No doubt there is chaeting on both sides of the tables setting up a challenging cat & mouse game 24/7 for security.

    I do agree with you on the need for order & security for the biz bottom line we differ on the over zealous intentions which hurt innocent legitamate players, it isn't the odds, it's those extra little dirty secrets....

    FOLKS IT"S NOT A FAIRGAME

     

    Good Luck,

    EddessaKnight Sun Smiley

    edessaknight,

    Changing dealers, or crews on a dice table, or putting new dice in is thought to be the same as an opposing basketball coach calling a time out to break the other team's momentum.

    Maybe some little podunk joint in a corn field in Iowa would risk its license to beat a flea (low level player) out of their minumum bet, but no joint in Vegas is going to risk a license to beat a pllayer.

    A lot of the stuff written about this is by players who have to blame their losses on something. Their egos prevent them from simply admitting they lost.

    Casino shift managers constantly get ridculous requests like this:

    We didn't get fresh towels in the room this morning, can you take $1,000 off my marker?

    Thanks for the comp to the steakhouse but the coffee wasn't hot, can you take care of my marker?

    I was on a roll and you changed dealers on me, or else I would have won $10,000. (Typically from players who would never bet like that)

    etc..etc...ad nauseam.

    Never forget the Nevada law about degrauding an innkeeper, and the casino catch-all:

    If anything arises that is not in any rule book the rule is it can only be done if it is to the advantage of the house. "Put bets" come to mind. Players think they are smart making a "put bet", putting a come bet directly on a number instead of making a place bet. Guess what happens to these geniuses put bets on a winner 7 on the next come out roll.

    As for "loyal defense" of the casinos, no, I'm just stating facts. I worked in one casino that put letters in the rooms telling the payers we were among the best paid dealers in town and they didn't have to toke (tip) us. The best paid reference in reality was tht we got one buck  more than minimum wage.

    I once contacted a writer for The Gambling Times to come to the casino I was working in at the time to do an article. The guy presented himself in his columns as quite a dice "guru". When he got on the game it was painfully evident he didn't know what the heck he was talking about. The lingo was all wrong and he didn't know the difference between a place bet and a come bet. Some guru.

    On the player side of cheating, this actually happened on an Illinois boat. A coupld had lost "a lot of money" so came up with a plan to get it back. The guy came out on deck and placed a banan peel on the deck and then signaled for his wife to come out. when she did she "slipped" on it. They created a scene, yelled for help, asked fo a doctor, etc.....Then they threatened to sue the boat. Management asked them if they were sure they wanted to do that. they insisted. So the took them to surveillance and showed them films of the whole thing.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: February 15, 2011, 3:40 pm - IP Logged

      Thanks for the feedback EddessaKnight.

      My favorite Quote:

      "We are all stupid," wrote Mark Twain, "just on different subjects."

      My favorite quote comment: (And most thought provoking!)

      "Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I get overwhelmed when I think about all the blanks in my  education and the ignorance that pockmarks my understanding."

      My most frustrating aspect of LP:

      "Others exist but prefer to remain anonomous behind PM's & Emails"

      ...or worse, remain silent!

      --Jimmy4164

      Ni Hao' Jimmy,

      Glad to have you on board & one the thread Jimmy - all are welcome to join....

      While we are on the topic of out right deceit, manipulation and misdirection; I though you might enjoy this tragedy classic quote for naysayers from the Barb himself:

      There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

      ~WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / The Tagedy of Hamlet Act 1. Scene V

       

      Gotta get back to the salt & pepper mines but shall return!

       

      Meantime from 'Te Es Non Carbonrundom Illegitmum.'
      Don't let the s grind you down

      EddessaKnight Sun Smiley


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        Ni Hao' Jimmy,

        Glad to have you on board & one the thread Jimmy - all are welcome to join....

        While we are on the topic of out right deceit, manipulation and misdirection; I though you might enjoy this tragedy classic quote for naysayers from the Barb himself:

        There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

        ~WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / The Tagedy of Hamlet Act 1. Scene V

         

        Gotta get back to the salt & pepper mines but shall return!

         

        Meantime from 'Te Es Non Carbonrundom Illegitmum.'
        Don't let the s grind you down

        EddessaKnight Sun Smiley

        Ako mabuti. Apparently, you and others here were involved long enough to learn that there really was something "rotten in Denmark!"



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          P.S.

          As for the "Carborundum," mine's pretty tough to grind.

          The problem is there are other more important places to be!  Unhappy

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            P.S.

            As for the "Carborundum," mine's pretty tough to grind.

            The problem is there are other more important places to be!  Unhappy

            Jimmy, et al

            PLAY or PAY NO EVIL

            The gaming business * indeed the entire world world needs more people who do not have a price at which they can be bought; who do not borrow from integrity to pay for expediency, whose handshake is an ironclad contract, who are as honest in small matters as in large ones, and who do not believe that shrewdness, cunning and ruthlessness are the three keys to success.



            Being Priceless means one's value is above any gold standard and cannot be bought by any toke or currency

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              Posted: February 17, 2011, 10:29 pm - IP Logged

              I took BBH's Roulette off topic once, and I didn't want to do it again, so I started a new one.

              http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/227800

              I hope some of you roulette fans are also interested in poker.

              See ya' there!