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Hi,

  One of the reasons you are not seeing a group effort here is because of the members ending up treating each other when posting a system. It sometimes become a contest of compentacy and ego, rather than helpful suggestions. Then there are those who refuse to stay on topic. How many threads end up as some unrelated topic to the original post? Then there are those who expect other members to spend the rest of thier lifetime going through previous LP threads. I'm not sure that a lot of people here know how to complement, enhance, and aid in the building of any suggested method.

  As for me, I just work my own systems and come to the LP looking for any ideas that might complement the methods I use. I have no desire to post my methods here because of attitudes, egos, and lack of common courtesy. 

  A model of the way people should repond can be seen almost every day through RJOH. Even though our approaches are different, I totally respect the way he trys to help every member in a constructive, friendly, and courteous mannner.

  In a nutshell, until the overall attitude enviroment changes at the LP, the likelyhood of group built lottery system is slim at best.

  Oppotunity to learn a system or improve your existing systems is here for the taking by all if things could be just a little bit different.

  Best of luck to all.

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.


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    There is nothing wrong with simulating any game of chance as long as the simulation is based on realistic play, but you take it beyond anything reasonable. Do you know five people that bought one pick-3 QP in every drawing for a year because if you don't those 49,995 other imaginary vampire QP playing friends of yours are going to look stupid playing that way in the next 20,000 drawings.

    "Your post above reveals that you still need to spend some time studying what's going on here."

    Nope, you're the one who is confused because here is where we "Discuss systems for predicting lottery numbers". Thinktank is suggesting a group of lottery players get together and maybe create a lottery system. But as usual, you show up and tell us what we already know and want to talk and post links about irrelevant testing.

    We'll call you when a system is created.

    Never let it be said that Jimmy4164 doesn't contribute ideas for system players!

    Here's your chance Stack47.  Surely you can take this proven paradox, apply it to the lottery, and produce a winning system from two losers.

    http://catlin.casinocitytimes.com/article/parrondos-paradox-46851

    "Until a couple of years ago, if someone had asked me if it was possible to somehow combine two games with negative expectations into a game with a positive expectation, I would have told them it wasn't possible. If asked why I would probably have said something inane like it seems clear that it is counter intuitive. And I would have been wrong. Sorry ladies but intuition is a fickle friend."

    Have fun!


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      P.S.  What is your criteria for relevancy in this context?  You said, "But as usual, you show up and tell us what we already know and want to talk and post links about irrelevant testing."  This makes me suspect that when you don't have a clue to an answer to even one of the five questions, by necessity, it's irrelevant to you.

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        P.S.  What is your criteria for relevancy in this context?  You said, "But as usual, you show up and tell us what we already know and want to talk and post links about irrelevant testing."  This makes me suspect that when you don't have a clue to an answer to even one of the five questions, by necessity, it's irrelevant to you.

        Nobody cares about your 50,000 imaginary QP players or how they made imaginary wagers of $1 every night for 20,000 drawings. Get over it.


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          Nobody cares about your 50,000 imaginary QP players or how they made imaginary wagers of $1 every night for 20,000 drawings. Get over it.

          It looks as though the time has come for me to give up on you.  Until now, I thought there was a chance that if you attempted to explain those two simulation runs and answer the 5 questions, you might just see the light.  I don't think that's going to happen.

          75% of the respondents to my Poll of Interest in Simulations and Backtesting (24/32) reflect a positive interest, so your belief that "nobody cares" is obviously untrue.  As far as the lack of positive comments to the simulation results goes, I think it is better explained by the fact that most people who see what the results are indicating, and understand it, are not willing to subject themselves to the kinds of schoolyard bullying that you and several other loudmouths here engage in.

          I guess we'll never learn whether you just can't comprehend the simulation results, which is one explanation of your avoidance of the 5 questions, or that you actually do understand it well but are a member of a group tasked to discredit the results with the ultimate goal of ensuring that innumeracy reigns supreme here.  In your particular case, I lean toward the former.

          I guess Parrondo's Paradox is irrelevant to you too.

          Go ahead, make another foolish rejoinder...

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            Never let it be said that Jimmy4164 doesn't contribute ideas for system players!

            Here's your chance Stack47.  Surely you can take this proven paradox, apply it to the lottery, and produce a winning system from two losers.

            http://catlin.casinocitytimes.com/article/parrondos-paradox-46851

            "Until a couple of years ago, if someone had asked me if it was possible to somehow combine two games with negative expectations into a game with a positive expectation, I would have told them it wasn't possible. If asked why I would probably have said something inane like it seems clear that it is counter intuitive. And I would have been wrong. Sorry ladies but intuition is a fickle friend."

            Have fun!

            jimmy4164,

            Since you brought Catlin up, have you read his lottery book?

            He is the author of The Lottery Book, The Truth Behind the Numbers published by Bonus books.

            It should be required reading for this forum.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Stack

              You need to play using the same rules as jimmy does.  Hope I am not stepping on any toes here but

              since there are so many who proudly proclaim QP's as the almighty victor when it comes to playing 

              the lottery and that jimmy is the leader and that his results are infallible and that he also loves QP's

              and thinks that all SP players fit into the stupid box and fall short in the area of math skills I decided

              to use his own methods and run a few backtest.  First since QP's rule I built a rng to simulate 1 million

              people buying a QP to try and win a MO. 5-39 jackpot for which the odds are 1 in  575757.

               

              Below we have the results of a simulation of 1 million in QP sales.  The left column is the number of QP's sold

              and the numbers on the right is the set drawn.  In this simulation no one hit a 5 of 5 in over 80 games. 

              The program stoped selling tictets when it sales went over 1 million.  The winning set was generated first

              and then had a 3 second delay before selling the 1,000,001 tickets.   If at any time one of the QP's matched

              the winning set then the program was set to end sales and record the number of tickets sold but if no one

              won within the sales limit then the total tickets sold + the set drawn was recorded.

              If the ticket was not matched within the 1 million tickets sold then the program started a new game.  The 

              code is correct so by this simulation ran over 80 times, I conclude that It would take over 80 million QP's

              to win a  game with 1 in 575,757 overall odds.  This means that you need to buy at least 139 QP's to have a

              1 in 575757 chance of winning.   Jade made us all aware that it makes no difference if the winning ticket is drawn

              before or after the ticket sales so my results must be true.   While these results are from a real test with real

              code the final results are not even close to actual results for the game.  Hee Haw, Hee Haw.

              RL       

               

               QP's sold     Set Drawn

               1000001     16  11  13  34  23
               1000001     10  13  14  16  5
               1000001     19  35  23  18  15
               1000001     22  32  20  23  37
               1000001     5  32  12  6  29
               1000001     8  2  22  29  6
               1000001     34  36  13  12  30
               1000001     29  19  1  27  7
               1000001     34  7  16  9  20
               1000001     18  21  22  32  2
               1000001     21  31  12  13  25
               1000001     19  17  27  15  20
               1000001     21  11  12  17  6
               1000001     28  7  17  16  5
               1000001     16  32  3  21  36
               1000001     39  24  8  11  1
               1000001     14  32  38  33  10
               1000001     34  25  21  22  11
               1000001     35  17  14  4  39
               1000001     9  38  21  30  11
               1000001     12  15  18  29  25
               1000001     18  20  3  37  21
               1000001     16  38  17  21  12
               1000001     9  3  36  13  10
               1000001     39  29  22  34  27
               1000001     22  26  17  30  8
               1000001     5  6  4  15  31
               1000001     16  3  26  8  1
               1000001     4  18  34  16  21
               1000001     21  8  29  11  30
               1000001     19  37  12  6  4
               1000001     18  12  5  1  8
               1000001     19  5  18  22  39
               1000001     8  18  38  24  3
               1000001     21  4  35  29  33
               1000001     1  9  20  18  7
               1000001     7  39  14  21  18
               1000001     25  26  17  12  13
               1000001     34  10  3  7  37
               1000001     31  15  34  2  22
               1000001     21  17  37  26  36
               1000001     28  10  25  18  19
               1000001     30  27  28  17  39
               1000001     34  39  23  25  20
               1000001     17  30  2  32  25
               1000001     33  34  11  24  38
               1000001     4  11  31  3  7
               1000001     20  15  22  34  10
               1000001     26  16  27  5  32
               1000001     6  39  32  16  19
               1000001     26  10  21  38  13
               1000001     6  3  31  29  26
               1000001     21  32  31  5  11
               1000001     25  7  28  16  37
               1000001     25  20  32  30  14
               1000001     27  28  19  21  13
               1000001     30  10  8  21  18
               1000001     18  35  13  20  25
               1000001     13  31  36  12  19
               1000001     38  23  13  35  24
               1000001     35  18  23  2  39
               1000001     2  9  11  23  25
               1000001     11  1  21  27  28
               1000001     10  22  1  14  21
               1000001     37  11  25  16  39
               1000001     24  38  11  22  37
               1000001     14  21  1  30  4
               1000001     26  22  18  6  32
               1000001     19  4  12  27  30
               1000001     4  24  21  12  33
               1000001     2  22  21  36  34
               1000001     8  23  35  6  3
               1000001     16  8  4  9  38
               1000001     30  21  23  38  20
               1000001     15  6  17  28  5
               1000001     12  30  21  6  10
               1000001     11  5  28  2  37
               1000001     12  2  38  23  9
               1000001     5  34  6  3  10
               1000001     19  26  10  16  38
               1000001     20  25  30  12  34
               1000001     9  6  18  1  23
               1000001     35  13  4  7  8
               1000001     12  18  39  29  4
               1000001     20  11  12  18  6
               1000001     18  33  9  23  22
               1000001     9  22  29  20  5
               1000001     33  20  6  30  22

               

              Notice that every game here went to the max sales which is over 100% of the total sets in the matrix. If a

              winner was detected then the sales column would be less then 1,000,001

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                Another one but this time I used 5,000,000 QP's for each game.  This amounts to giving the RNG 8.7 attemps

                for every set in the matrix to come up with a match.  Notice in this simulation that one JP was hit with only

                3,068,809 tickets sold, WOW, them QP's are bang'in good.   I know what is wrong here but would like to hear

                from those that want to take a guess.

                 

                RL

                 

                no winner    5000000     10  18  9  34  22
                no winner    5000000     10  1  9  12  36
                no winner    5000000     30  9  16  25  13
                no winner    5000000     18  1  19  17  16
                no winner    5000000     37  36  15  13  8
                no winner    5000000     25  37  27  9  6
                no winner    5000000     12  20  17  27  25
                no winner    5000000     21  29  16  4  13
                no winner    5000000     13  2  25  21  23
                no winner    5000000     30  37  15  10  17
                no winner    5000000     3  10  13  22  27
                no winner    5000000     20  33  10  15  11
                no winner    5000000     28  6  30  22  24
                no winner    5000000     3  32  11  15  28
                no winner    5000000     19  36  33  35  10
                no winner    5000000     31  34  37  38  7
                no winner    5000000     33  3  22  28  29
                jp winner     3068809     39  5  21  12  38
                no winner    5000000     10  36  3  16  21
                no winner    5000000     37  20  18  39  35
                no winner    5000000     21  22  37  31  35
                no winner    5000000     38  19  31  29  5
                no winner    5000000     4  21  5  37  25
                no winner    5000000     23  39  17  27  16
                no winner    5000000     38  36  14  1  10
                no winner    5000000     14  20  21  31  2
                no winner    5000000     34  11  1  7  25
                no winner    5000000     24  26  23  25  21
                no winner    5000000     10  35  13  18  21
                no winner    5000000     1  39  33  3  26
                no winner    5000000     11  8  36  16  29
                no winner    5000000     14  32  27  10  12
                no winner    5000000     10  1  20  27  4
                no winner    5000000     29  34  25  15  24
                no winner    5000000     5  27  25  30  24
                no winner    5000000     22  14  11  24  3
                no winner    5000000     31  24  28  26  19
                no winner    5000000     5  24  35  29  25
                no winner    5000000     37  19  38  21  8
                no winner    5000000     5  7  15  16  21
                no winner    5000000     25  24  38  6  19
                no winner    5000000     23  28  36  29  35
                no winner    5000000     14  31  6  25  27
                no winner    5000000     13  4  34  8  28
                no winner    5000000     34  33  14  38  7
                no winner    5000000     38  14  29  13  28
                no winner    5000000     23  30  16  39  1
                no winner    5000000     33  23  35  11  38
                no winner    5000000     34  25  11  20  7
                no winner    5000000     28  35  22  37  5
                no winner    5000000     19  33  28  36  4
                no winner    5000000     19  39  15  6  14
                no winner    5000000     32  22  39  21  26
                no winner    5000000     9  19  11  14  4
                no winner    5000000     31  26  2  6  28
                no winner    5000000     11  27  10  23  35
                no winner    5000000     35  20  24  2  11
                no winner    5000000     23  34  17  2  26
                no winner    5000000     15  30  18  28  39
                no winner    5000000     8  14  2  23  10


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                  thinktank

                  There is no simple way to explain how I make my selections.   When I first made the post I only wanted to

                  show another method of picking numbers.  When I first started out I played the numbers like most people

                  do but lost most all the time.  The first thing I would say to do is calculate the  odds for every filter or method

                  you intend to use for the whole game matrix.  By doing this you will know what percent every value is expected

                  to hit,  in other words know your game inside and out.  I have found that the game will follow the matrix very

                  close with few exceptions.  If the digit 1 is in 89% of all sets in the matrix then it will  be in 89% of the draws. 

                  This is the full extent of the stats I use.  The only way to win anything one must be able to predict what will hit

                  in the next draw and picking digits is easier then picking numbers.  This does not mean that it is easy but easier. 

                  The frequency that digits hit is much greater then the numbers they form.  Many times digits alone will leave

                  you with to many numbers to play so filters are needed.

                  The filters used can be anything but should be selected with the same idea that if you can't predict them 

                  they are useless. 

                  Digits can used to function as filters

                  Example 5-39 matrix

                  Digits 1-2-3-4-6 will produce 15,504 total sets but if you place limits on each set and say that all 5 digits must

                  show at least one time then there are only 5,940 sets.  If you say that digits 1-2-3 must all show twice in each

                  set and digits 4-6 must show only once then there are only 132 sets that fit into this pool.  Add a couple filters

                  to reduce this down to 20 or less and your good to go.  I tell people to eat, sleep, drink digits because once

                  you get a good grip on how the sets fall for your game the better you can judge when to play.   Some setups

                  using digits only will result in a thousand or mote sets, avoid playing these days.  The fewer steps you use

                  the fewer mistakes you will make.  This is so simple but it has been turned into a complex piece of junk.   

                  I pick digits I think will hit and then the software builds every set that can be made from my selections. 

                  As a general rule for my 5-39 game, digits 1-2-3 have to make up 5 or 6 of the total digits within a set of 5 numbers. 

                  4-5-6-7-8-9-0 are used to compleat the set.  I mostly only play 5 or 6 total digits but don't limit myself to this amount. 

                  This is the whole digit system, everything else is just filters used to reduce to a playable amount.   The method I use to

                  pick my digits is to first only play on the days that I think digits 1-2-3 will show with and make up 5 or 6 of the sets

                  total.   I use the data from the matrix and history to choose a window of play.  The remaining digits are selected

                  using a from a visual form of analysis using many bits of data.  Some of the time I selected them at random.  If I

                  want to play 5 total digits then I must have 4 of them locked in so to say or if playing 6 I must have 5 locked in or I

                  don't play.   How I select the remaining digit or digits is not mathematical but visual.  I tried to come up with ways to

                  explain how I make the final selections but was unsuccessful, so I guess it is just an educated guess based on the

                  data I review.  I miss one digit around 70% of the time but this still leaves 4 numbers in play.  Everything else is just

                  basic filters but I use the same type of visual analysis for them all.  I do have a bias search tool but it is visual also

                  and not based on math. 

                  I ran statical data for years and found some interesting data but nothing that ever helped me win. I won't go back

                  into the digit system  because while the basic concept is simple it takes time to learn and perfect,  If you are interested

                  in learning to use it then everything that is needed is above.  Play on paper and track you results not in how much you

                  win but how many of your choices were correct.  Feel free to use any analysis you want but I can't help you there because

                  everything I have tried failed.   I am leaving LP as soon as my membership is up sometime is the next few days.

                  RL

                  Thanks for the info RL.

                  "The method I use to

                  pick my digits is to first only play on the days that I think digits 1-2-3 will show with and make up 5 or 6 of the sets total."


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                    Please do not leave RL.

                    Many love you here at LP.


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                      jimmy4164,

                      Since you brought Catlin up, have you read his lottery book?

                      He is the author of The Lottery Book, The Truth Behind the Numbers published by Bonus books.

                      It should be required reading for this forum.

                      I agree!

                      http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222258/1832926

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                        Another one but this time I used 5,000,000 QP's for each game.  This amounts to giving the RNG 8.7 attemps

                        for every set in the matrix to come up with a match.  Notice in this simulation that one JP was hit with only

                        3,068,809 tickets sold, WOW, them QP's are bang'in good.   I know what is wrong here but would like to hear

                        from those that want to take a guess.

                         

                        RL

                         

                        no winner    5000000     10  18  9  34  22
                        no winner    5000000     10  1  9  12  36
                        no winner    5000000     30  9  16  25  13
                        no winner    5000000     18  1  19  17  16
                        no winner    5000000     37  36  15  13  8
                        no winner    5000000     25  37  27  9  6
                        no winner    5000000     12  20  17  27  25
                        no winner    5000000     21  29  16  4  13
                        no winner    5000000     13  2  25  21  23
                        no winner    5000000     30  37  15  10  17
                        no winner    5000000     3  10  13  22  27
                        no winner    5000000     20  33  10  15  11
                        no winner    5000000     28  6  30  22  24
                        no winner    5000000     3  32  11  15  28
                        no winner    5000000     19  36  33  35  10
                        no winner    5000000     31  34  37  38  7
                        no winner    5000000     33  3  22  28  29
                        jp winner     3068809     39  5  21  12  38
                        no winner    5000000     10  36  3  16  21
                        no winner    5000000     37  20  18  39  35
                        no winner    5000000     21  22  37  31  35
                        no winner    5000000     38  19  31  29  5
                        no winner    5000000     4  21  5  37  25
                        no winner    5000000     23  39  17  27  16
                        no winner    5000000     38  36  14  1  10
                        no winner    5000000     14  20  21  31  2
                        no winner    5000000     34  11  1  7  25
                        no winner    5000000     24  26  23  25  21
                        no winner    5000000     10  35  13  18  21
                        no winner    5000000     1  39  33  3  26
                        no winner    5000000     11  8  36  16  29
                        no winner    5000000     14  32  27  10  12
                        no winner    5000000     10  1  20  27  4
                        no winner    5000000     29  34  25  15  24
                        no winner    5000000     5  27  25  30  24
                        no winner    5000000     22  14  11  24  3
                        no winner    5000000     31  24  28  26  19
                        no winner    5000000     5  24  35  29  25
                        no winner    5000000     37  19  38  21  8
                        no winner    5000000     5  7  15  16  21
                        no winner    5000000     25  24  38  6  19
                        no winner    5000000     23  28  36  29  35
                        no winner    5000000     14  31  6  25  27
                        no winner    5000000     13  4  34  8  28
                        no winner    5000000     34  33  14  38  7
                        no winner    5000000     38  14  29  13  28
                        no winner    5000000     23  30  16  39  1
                        no winner    5000000     33  23  35  11  38
                        no winner    5000000     34  25  11  20  7
                        no winner    5000000     28  35  22  37  5
                        no winner    5000000     19  33  28  36  4
                        no winner    5000000     19  39  15  6  14
                        no winner    5000000     32  22  39  21  26
                        no winner    5000000     9  19  11  14  4
                        no winner    5000000     31  26  2  6  28
                        no winner    5000000     11  27  10  23  35
                        no winner    5000000     35  20  24  2  11
                        no winner    5000000     23  34  17  2  26
                        no winner    5000000     15  30  18  28  39
                        no winner    5000000     8  14  2  23  10

                        I see some potential, here. What I'd like to know is how many (on average, at least) of the 575,757 combos were generated among the 5 million buys. Wink

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                          Posted: June 1, 2011, 12:19 am - IP Logged

                          I don't agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            Posted: June 1, 2011, 2:05 am - IP Logged

                            Folks still don't realize some of those books are ancient, when PB was something like a 5/39.

                            They also claim to have created many winners - but that was back in the 80's, when the odds were a LOT lower.

                            But, whatever helps you to do better, maybe you will get something out of it.

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                              Posted: June 1, 2011, 2:09 am - IP Logged

                              wanne bet there are far more than just one ticket with the folowing numbers:

                              5-8-24-48 (plus an oddball, maybe #3)

                              6-16-17 probably 9 and another.

                              27-29-31-33

                              and any other nascar car combination that folks like.