Iowa Lottery investigators may not recommend paying out jackpot
An Iowa Lottery spokeswoman says a New York attorney behind the jackpot mystery didn't answer key questions during their meeting Tuesday.
She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.
Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said Thursday Crawford Shaw declined to reveal who bought the winning ticket and how he got it. She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.
Neubauer says the meeting was cordial, but investigators told him they couldn't recommend paying the jackpot worth $7.5 million or more until he answered questions.
She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.
She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.
Don't worry about the document being made public during the investigation, who's to say the Lottery Commission wouldn't inadvertantly release the document after the investigation revealing the identification of the winner.
After all the Lottery Commission is a government agency and you know they will turn on you faster than a cheap pair of shoes.
The trust agreement does not have to list the beneficiaries of the trust. Having a copy of the trust does not appear to be helping identify the winner.
Something is suspicious here. I like the way the lottery is doing its job to making sure the real winner get the money. I believe they should have done the same thing for those rich folks who won the $254 million recently because that was also weird. But I'm just saying though.
Who cares who the winner is? The only people that are going to know this person are the people that he has had contact with. The Lottery Commission should just pay out the ticket and be done with it. If they don't pay out the ticket then why do we play the lottery in the first place? If the Lottery Commission wants to be nit-picky about who wins, then maybe we should all just quit buying tickets. I bet they change their tune when their sales plummet to zero. I love playing the lottery. But totally stupid moves like this makes me want to quit playing. Besides, everybody knows, or should know, that the lottery, any of them, is the absolute worst bet on the planet. A 50% house edge. That is a mighty steep house edge to overcome. And yet we still play. Grinding out our work outs, tracking our numbers, analyzing or trying to discover patterns, and jus hoping our luck will change for the better. Play on MacDuff!! Play on!
There is more to this story than what we have heard so far. Something has triggered a red flag with the lottery leading to this additional scrutiny ... too soon to blame to lottery on this one.
I too like that the Iowa Lottery is playing hardball in this case. Truthfully, I smell a rat and it isn't the lottery. When I win, I am going to buck the going LP party line and I am going to go public with my jackpot. You will see my smiling, pearly whites on TV. Though, I will schedule to have LASIK eye surgery performed before I do go claim it so I can go there sans prescription glasses, but wear some ridiculous Flava Flav type glasses so that all of America can think that a buffoon is claiming the jackpot. I will be laughing my A** off as I board every plane headed for an overseas destination sitting in FIRST CLASS. So I won't be denied! This lawyer sounds like he is trying to get over, and I would suspect that he is actually trying to claim the jackpot for himself and cut the real winner out of the picture. The real winner is likely an illegal and he is taking trying to take advantage of the situation (not that I condone illegal aliens being in US, but stealing is stealing and it is wrong). Whatever the case, I am glad that his trip to Iowa was not fruitful. Like I said, I smell a rat, and if you have never been to NY, I can tell you that rats walk the streets in broad daylight. This guy is a rat. There! I said it. Now sue me big bad lawyer man!
why sit in first class if you can afford a semi private jet ? where your driver takes you right to the jet in your lincoln town car,no terminals no security,no nonsense,
"those rich folks". I don't get it?!*&% If they are "rich", why do they live in a modest home in San Jose? $500,000 gets you a modest home there! IDK what is wierd about this other you don't like the "rich". They did what expected of them to claim the prize! Time to move on.
dpoly! you often hit the core of the persons remarks. Well done, well said.
Nothing wrong with staying within the confines of the legal system and protecting the clients. I side with the lawyer abiding and keeping tight lipped, a Trust is setup to protect its members. No harm no foul on that level.
If a legitimate ticket was remitted and the proper forms for a trust were presented for this payout, I think the Lottery is being intrusive to the formation of a Trust.
Gotta love the Lottery for being thorough ....but at what point should they draw the line...?
Perhaps the lawyer will give them the information they want if they sign an NDA.
The trusts are TOOLS/vehicles used extensively both by lawyers and accountants to hide the names of the beneficiaries of the trust and its income distributions. Unlike any other document, such as , title deed etc, TRUST documents are not publicly available for inspection and are not filed with any governemnt agency to comply wth any legal requirement. It is totally at the discretion of the trustees( who appear to be these lawyers in this case) to share the information of the trust deed or its contents. The beneficiaries can well be another trust , or another trust of another trust etc . It can go in a real chain of trusts ! Due to this inherrent complexities of trusts ( man made complexities ) some countries require any trust nominated as a beneficiary to disclose the ultimate beneficiaries of the trust no matter how conveluded the trust is.
It is interesting to see WHO the heck bought this ticket (even in private if they wish) for the Iowa lottery as it is its law to identify the winner. The general public may not be interested , but Iowa lottery should be and it is likely that the matter will be litigated! Lawyers are smart in their own way ( they are notoriously terrible at maths- if you doubt ask Judge JUDY !!)
If Lottery IOWA requires that it identifies the winner hiding behind the trust, then it will take all the measures to do so. Quite rightly. Just handing over a ticket by a bunch of lawyers with the trust deed claiming to represent as trustees the beneficiaries, will not suffice to comply with the Lottery rules of Iowa! After all what is this problem of the winner who refuses to be identified even in private with Iowa lottery ? Many people do it for own security - but in private to satisfy the IOWA lottery - it should be OK !!
I agree. I am thinking that Iowa Lottery KNOWS how and WHERE the ticket was purchased. They need to make sure THAT is the person who is handing in the ticket.
Thank you for your kind remarks. IDK why anyone that Doesn't like the "rich" would want to win money & join them ?! I am sure that NY Lottery would have already settled the validity question about the recent winners there! Good luck, my friend!
Sounds like someone going through a divorce and trying to hide the money.
Who cares who the winner is the iowa lottery is trying to get out of not paying they are so greedy haven't they made enough money off of residents that play the lottery in iowa.
If you ask me the iowa lottery needs to be investigated they are spending all their energy into this matter i don't blame the winner for having it in a trust they don't want to be identified.
I really think they need to investigate the IOWA LOTTERY.
they are crooks
This just in ........... I plan on depositing $41.73 Million after I comply with the absolute minimum requirements to claim a jackpot in Pennsylvania(with no need for an investigation)! For those that don't like the "rich" ............ IDC before or after I win. After I win .............. I will make sure that it is most difficult for you to find me ...............
Wealth is not greed, wealth is opportunity ............
The Greed of Envy is Greed ..............
When I was down and out ....... I didn't pitch a tent on private or public property ............ I didn't carry a sign ............. and I surely didn't Whine & Cry about "the Rich" ............... I picked myself up and moved on like an adult ................
............ I believe in diversity ........... diversity of investment .............. 
and being green with money
The lawyer is just doing what his client hired him to do.To name his client he would probably be violating the attorney/client privaledge.I'm surprised that the folks at the Iowa Lottery don't know or understand this.Their investigater should know it,with all of his years in law enforcement.Its time to end this game and PAY UP!
Blah Blah Blah,, They will pay.. I don't blame him for not saying who the winner is right now.. They will leak it out. New York attorney's are not stupid..
I can appreciate the Iowa Lottery Commission doing their due diligence on the identity of the winner.
I believe that people who work for the Lottery Commission are ineligible to win prizes due to the fact that there might be some hanky panky going on.
Also, if a prize is claimed under a trust, the Lottery Commission and the IRS need the SS# and ID of the person to see if they owe back taxes or child support (that is what I read online some time ago).
Hopefully they will get this straightened out and the real winners will receive their prize. But it's so suspicious that they came forward just hours before the deadline.
Someone on this post mentioned it might be a divorce situation and the owner of the ticket might not want the spouse to know about the win. Totally plausible.
The red flag is that they don't have someone to trot out for promotional purposes.
States do not like that.
Love it, we get the stories about "lottery tragedies" and comments of how "if only they could have claimed anonymously" and times when it seems people are taking a long amount of times coming forward and there's posts on how maybe the winner is being smart and working on claiming without getting their name out there and we badger those who can but choose not to. But then when it's actually done there's a conspiracy behind it and clearly there's something suspicious going on.
People don't think straight. All this person had to do was to hire a lawyer and hire some shmuck off the street, rent him an apartment, change his address to the new address, change his name and make him the beneficiary, and give him a few thousand dollars for his troubles, then after he collects the money while taking his picture with the big check in hand, and the dog and pony show is over, change his name back to his original name, give up the apartment. Everyone wins and the real person gets the JP money and no one knows who the the real beneficiary is.
Now, while the real beneficiary is enjoying spending the money, the poor hounds, beggers, and hustlers who want a piece of the pie are running around frantically scratching their heads wondering why they can't find Horlandia Patchutka who used to live in that apartment building. HA !
done...BOOM *Flexes..
What if the "Shmuck", after talking to friends finds out he was duped by millions?
Now there is a scenario for a reverse situation of blackmail to the original beneficiary if they don't fess up, or the "Shmuck" will sing like a canary to the press and authorities. DONE!....BOOM!.... *FLEXES!.....
ummmmm, the schmuck is in on the deal.....If you read what I write you'd notice that I wrote the schmuck will get a few thousand dollars for his efforts. If someone came to me and said, how would you like to make 10,000 dollars to go through all of this, I would say hell yeah.
And on a positive note ...... if I win on Wednesday ............. I can bank about $48,815,000 after Federal Confiscatory Taxes !!!
No State Tax on Lottery Winnings in Pennsylvania ............
and I do think that the vanity plate on my Bentley will be: LOLING
and really, the dust will not gather on my ticket .......... after moving to my hiding place, I will comply with the minimum requirements to claim my prize and take a little vacation ...........
GREEN WITH MONEY
I read exactly what you wrote,..... however I still insist even if you paid the " Stupid Schmuck" 50k or more,........ greedy human behavior as it is, most "Schmuck's" upon the realization that they could have made MILLIONS MORE,......... will have become enraged and will come back to get what they perceive as their fair share, before walking away with just thousands.
If this is a common occurance by the Iowa Lottery, I might be worried. My guess is that they do sense that something is amiss here (probably an illegal alien) and they want to investigate it further to be sure.
How silly will they look if the give the money to the wrong person without investigating a little.
The Iowa lottery just laid down an ultimatem to the winner.Claim the ticket by 3 p.m. Friday or FORFIET the ticket and the money.
I'd post a link to the story in the Des Moines Register but it's against the rules for me to post links.I sent an email to Todd with the link to the story.Maybe he will post a story on it.
After the job went successfully, one of the guys in on it decided his share wasn't enough for his involvement.
When the others wouldn't "renegotiate" his fee, he blew the whistle.
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/99980
Thank you time * treat for that thread.
I read that Hoosier ticket scam......WOW!........ you can't make this stuff up, truth is definitely much stranger than fiction!
