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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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2 of 5 for Stack on this draw,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

2  5  6  8  9     10  11  12  13     22  24  26  28  29       31 32 33  34  37

                41  42  43  44  48       51  52  54  56

                             Still riding   Bonus Ball 

                                          24

 

Tuesday, January 01, 2013    04 · 11 · 21 · 25 · 44    294$30 Million

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    But is a correct guess still a guess?  If it becomes reproducible than at some point i imagine a guess becomes a kind of knowing.

    Although I must admit there may be varying degree of variation within the standard quantum field of knowing as a function of time.Yes Nod

    I think a guess that turns out to be correct is still a guess but a lucky guess.  If it's reproducible then it's no longer a guess but a result of a formula or rules followed and the same result should be reproducible by anyone following those rules or using that formula.

    I think most of us are looking for reproducible results so we can tweak or improve them.

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      Set of 12 eliminations for MM. Tue. Jan. 1, 2013.

      07 18 22 27 35 37 40 41 46 48 52 56

      The 12 elimination numbers worked by missing all 5 winning numbers. What are the odds??

      Tuesday, January 01, 2013      04 · 11 · 21 · 25 · 44    29            4$30 Million


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        I think a guess that turns out to be correct is still a guess but a lucky guess.  If it's reproducible then it's no longer a guess but a result of a formula or rules followed and the same result should be reproducible by anyone following those rules or using that formula.

        I think most of us are looking for reproducible results so we can tweak or improve them.

        I think pulling 12 numbers out of my...... hat, is a great repeatable way of getting BETTER ODDS.

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          Posted: January 2, 2013, 3:23 pm - IP Logged

          The 12 elimination numbers worked by missing all 5 winning numbers. What are the odds??

          Tuesday, January 01, 2013      04 · 11 · 21 · 25 · 44    29            4$30 Million

          possible combos of 5/56 numbers = 3819816
          MATCH ODDS           WINNING COMBOS
          5/5   1 : 3819816           1
          4/5   1 : 14980           255
          3/5   1 : 300           12750
          2/5   1 : 18           208250
          1/5   1 : 3           1249500
          0/5   1 : 2           2349060

          Odds are 1:2, so you can expect to match absolutely nothing 50% of the time using 12 numbers.

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            Posted: January 2, 2013, 3:33 pm - IP Logged

            possible combos of 5/56 numbers = 3819816
            MATCH ODDS           WINNING COMBOS
            5/5   1 : 3819816           1
            4/5   1 : 14980           255
            3/5   1 : 300           12750
            2/5   1 : 18           208250
            1/5   1 : 3           1249500
            0/5   1 : 2           2349060

            Odds are 1:2, so you can expect to match absolutely nothing 50% of the time using 12 numbers.

            Very good, thank you.

            So 50% of the time (on average) I can play for 5 of 5 with 1 in 1,086,008 odds instead if 1 in 3,819,816?


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              Posted: January 2, 2013, 3:40 pm - IP Logged

              FRI 12/21/12 - 03 18 32 41 56 +19
              TUE 12/18/12 - 01 06 07 18 29 +16
              FRI 12/14/12 - 11 28 33 41 43 +41
              TUE 12/11/12 - 39 44 51 52 54 +13
              FRI 12/07/12 - 07 43 44 51 56 +04
              TUE 12/04/12 - 03 19 24 32 43 +44

              What ever happened to your idea of picking numbers by when they had hit in past drawings?  I noticed all the winning numbers for Friday were in the previous 20 numbers and previous 5 drawings.

              This is exactly what I'm playing, only I use eliminations to reduce the playing pool to 12 numbers.

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                Posted: January 2, 2013, 3:43 pm - IP Logged

                possible combos of 5/56 numbers = 3819816
                MATCH ODDS           WINNING COMBOS
                5/5   1 : 3819816           1
                4/5   1 : 14980           255
                3/5   1 : 300           12750
                2/5   1 : 18           208250
                1/5   1 : 3           1249500
                0/5   1 : 2           2349060

                Odds are 1:2, so you can expect to match absolutely nothing 50% of the time using 12 numbers.

                This can't be right.  I think I've seen you do this before accurately, so I'm guessing you coped and pasted the wrong thing or something, but I'm saying that it can't be right that there b/c you posted one winning combo when you use 12 numbers, when there should be 12*11*10*9*8/120=792.

                 

                 

                Unless I'm making a mistake - which could be the case cuz I haven't eaten yet today - the odds of eliminating 12 numbers succesfully should be calculated as (44/56)*(43/55)*(42/54)*(41/53)*(40/52) or .03482.

                 

                RJOh, can you tell me if/where I made an error?  Because I'm getting about a 3.5% chance of eliminating 12 numbers succefully.

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                  Very good, thank you.

                  So 50% of the time (on average) I can play for 5 of 5 with 1 in 1,086,008 odds instead if 1 in 3,819,816?

                  1:1,086,008 wasn't any where in that chart, you must be looking else where for those conclusions.

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                    Posted: January 2, 2013, 3:49 pm - IP Logged

                    possible combos of 5/56 numbers = 3819816
                    MATCH ODDS           WINNING COMBOS
                    5/5   1 : 3819816           1
                    4/5   1 : 14980           255
                    3/5   1 : 300           12750
                    2/5   1 : 18           208250
                    1/5   1 : 3           1249500
                    0/5   1 : 2           2349060

                    Odds are 1:2, so you can expect to match absolutely nothing 50% of the time using 12 numbers.

                    Wait a sec!  I knew I recognized those odds.

                     

                    Isn't that the chart for the odds in a 5/56 lotto game with one ticket?

                     

                    How does that actually relate to lotto?  Not to mention that it's closer to 1:1.6, 2:1 is with some exetreme rounding.


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                      Wait a sec!  I knew I recognized those odds.

                       

                      Isn't that the chart for the odds in a 5/56 lotto game with one ticket?

                       

                      How does that actually relate to lotto?  Not to mention that it's closer to 1:1.6, 2:1 is with some exetreme rounding.

                      I thought "extreme rounding" was an event in the olympics.....What?


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                        My Mama said my chances were BETTER than anyone else's, and Mama said she was never wrong.

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                          Wait a sec!  I knew I recognized those odds.

                           

                          Isn't that the chart for the odds in a 5/56 lotto game with one ticket?

                           

                          How does that actually relate to lotto?  Not to mention that it's closer to 1:1.6, 2:1 is with some exetreme rounding.

                          Yes, you're right!  Since a full wheel of 12 numbers would have 792 combinations, the chart has to be adjusted for that many combinations.

                          combination size 5
                          basic pool size 56
                          (B) bonus numbers none
                          smallest match 0
                          tickets or chances per draw 792
                          possible combos of 5/56 numbers = 3819816
                          MATCH   ODDS          WINNING COMBOS    ODDS 792 CHANCES
                          5/5   1 : 3819816           1                 1 : 4823
                          4/5   1 : 14980           255                 1 : 19
                          3/5   1 : 300           12750                 3 : 1
                          2/5   1 : 18           208250                43 : 1
                          1/5   1 : 3           1249500               259 : 1
                          0/5   1 : 2           2349060               487 : 1

                          So the odds of matching absolutely nothing with 12 numbers are 487:1

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                            Wait a sec!  I knew I recognized those odds.

                             

                            Isn't that the chart for the odds in a 5/56 lotto game with one ticket?

                             

                            How does that actually relate to lotto?  Not to mention that it's closer to 1:1.6, 2:1 is with some exetreme rounding.

                            This whole entire thread is about getting BETTER ODDS on the 5/56 MM game Boney.......


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                              Here is a new Challenge idea. Instead of hitting 5 of 5, lets see who can MISS 5 of 5 each draw.....What?

                                 
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