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Posted: January 28, 2013, 8:40 pm - IP Logged

You're annoying, yoyo.

And you're a whiner.

You and Nancy shouldn't waste your time telling people on a lottery site how stupid they are to play the lottery.

You should go stand in front of a tobacco shop and tell people how stupid they are to smoke.

That way you could get a better sense of their reaction to your lecturing in more of an evocative, visceral and physical sense.

People aren't stupid because they play the lottery. There's nothing wrong with buying a hope and getting a little entertainment.

 

However, when a person is completely delusional, lack basic understanding of what presumably would be their mother tongue and have absolutely

no ability for rational thought, it goes beyond stupidity.

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    If its NOT a strategy, why do you use it every time you play as if it WERE a strategy?

    Are the words "average ROI" a strategy?

     

    What English did you learn growing up?  I do have a strategy based around trying to maximize the Expected Value of my plays, but Expected Value is a number, an average, a percentage.  It's not a strategy.

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      I'm not stupid yo, people "beat the lottery" every day of the week. I simulated playing 98,820 lines

      on the MM game and won $16 million (after taxes & cost) Would you call that "beating the lottery"? 

      Friday, August 10, 2012      10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    08     4$29 Million

      If I walked into a casino, plucked down 100 dollars on 26 on a roulette wheel, and the result was 26, would you call that "beating roulette?"  I would call that winning a bet.

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        I hate to correct you stack,

        but catlin is not "THEE" gambling expert.  I try to be proper, to not offend the emeritus of wikipedia university.

        What is interesting to me is that, GH is also a native of Nevada, so how can her snake oil differ any more than catlins, especially since they are both drinking from the same well?

        BTW, have you ever bought snakeoile?

        Let me tell you it makes your d-ck hard!

        "but he isn't The authority on the subject"

        I was on a golf trip with a math expert that told me Keno was the worst bet to make in a casino about 5 minutes before I won over $8000 hitting a 7-spot. The Keno writer that explained how to play way tickets a few years before wasn't an emeritus from any known university; just gave me his thoughts on better ways to play the same numbers I was playing. And GH's emeritus are explaining better ways to play the same numbers we're already playing while Jimmy's expert lectures us by explaining why we shouldn't play.

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          "but he isn't The authority on the subject"

          I was on a golf trip with a math expert that told me Keno was the worst bet to make in a casino about 5 minutes before I won over $8000 hitting a 7-spot. The Keno writer that explained how to play way tickets a few years before wasn't an emeritus from any known university; just gave me his thoughts on better ways to play the same numbers I was playing. And GH's emeritus are explaining better ways to play the same numbers we're already playing while Jimmy's expert lectures us by explaining why we shouldn't play.

          The first time I walked into a casino, I won a small amount of money playing Keno.  Then I lost 200 dollars playing blackjack.  That doesn't mean Keno is a better bet.  It's WAY worse.  It usually is the worst bet in a casino, although sometimes sportsbooks offer huge payout bets with a giant house edge.

           

          That's assuming you define worse by house edge.  There are other ways to define better and worse, like expected loss and the possibility to win big.  You are probably more likely to win a life changing amount of money playing Keno, or the lottery, than in a session at Blackjack.  But you're also more likely to lose more money.  So as long as you play for fun, you should limit your losses and play whatever's the most fun to you.

           

          But if you have more fun playing for what is likely to be a couple of hours with a lot of hands played, then you should be playing a game like Blackjack, not Keno.  That's because Keno draws happen once every few minutes, where as hands of blackjack generally last far less than a minute.

           

           

          I don't want to put words in Jimmy's mouth, although I suspect he's saying the same as me.  It's not that you SHOULDN'T play, it's that you're going to be much better off if you understand the mathemetics behind the games you might play, and then choose which games to play (or not play) based on your preferences alone.  I can totally see why some people like Keno.  It appealed to me the first time I went to a casino.  But that was then, and I now have very different values in my gambling.  I wouldn't enjoy Keno anymore, and the house edge is high, so my preferences lead me to other games.

           

           

          The reason that he said Keno is the worst bet is because most Keno bets have a 30% house edge.  Even slots have a lower edge.  However, I'd argue that Keno is still "better", because you're likely to play it slower, resulting in a lower expected loss.  On the other hand, most table games will be played with a much lower edge and expected loss.  Personally, I only like to gamble with an edge (or breakeven for comps,) but most people gamble for fun.  I recommend to them that they play low edge games like Craps, Blackjack, European Roulette, Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, etc. and not games like Keno or Slots unless they understand that the edge is HUGE.

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            Posted: January 28, 2013, 9:26 pm - IP Logged

            I don't know who Catlin is, and I don't care. But simply saying he isn't god doesn't prove or disprove anything. Just because he isn't the authority on the subject 

            doesn't make his points invalid. In an argument, you're supposed to refute ideas, not the person posing the ideas.

             

            Wanting to "better play the games" is ok, but please, don't do it with pseudo math. If you want to use math, you have to use all of it, Otherwise don't use it at all.

             

            If you want to pray to god to give you the winning numbers, go pay your local psychic, or get high from drugs and see hullcinations of the winning numbers to 

            improve your chances, that's all fine and dandy. But you can't simply take a part of math and disregard the rest of it.

             

            I can't just tell my math teacher that 3+5 = 7, because I never learned to count up to 8, and if he says I'm wrong, then I tell him he's not the authority of mathematics.

            "In an argument, you're supposed to refute ideas, not the person posing the ideas."

            We're being lectured about what we already know. I'm not disputing what Catlin knows, just saying he in not THE expert.

            "But you can't simply take a part of math and disregard the rest of it."

            Now you're lecturing me without even knowing what the discussion is about.

            Can a group of 28 numbers get more than one five number match in the next 39 drawings?

            "I can't just tell my math teacher that 3+5 = 7, because I never learned to count up to 8"

            Terrible analogy because if the math teacher did their job, the students should know 3 + 5 = 8.

            The wanna-be experts here are assuming only they know that 3 + 5 = 8.


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              Posted: January 28, 2013, 9:27 pm - IP Logged

              How typical of you jim to feel so superior to others that you feel an answer should be forthcoming just because you asked a question. 

              NEWS FLASH jim, no one cares about you divisive questions and no one is obligated to answer.

              Ronnie316,

              Why is a question about the results of your 25 plays in a Megamillions drawing "divisive?"

              Could it be because you don't like what the answer reveals?

              And are you sure no one cares?  I disagree, and consequently, I've decided to answer the question you should have answered yourself, myself.  I'm sure you could have received some assistance from rdgrnr, who has lots of free time, so much so that he/she volunteers many hours per week here at LP, helping to keep it a well oiled machine, but you must be so busy that you never even thought of that.

              Stay tuned - an analysis of your 25 picks is being prepared.

              --Jimmy4164

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                The first time I walked into a casino, I won a small amount of money playing Keno.  Then I lost 200 dollars playing blackjack.  That doesn't mean Keno is a better bet.  It's WAY worse.  It usually is the worst bet in a casino, although sometimes sportsbooks offer huge payout bets with a giant house edge.

                 

                That's assuming you define worse by house edge.  There are other ways to define better and worse, like expected loss and the possibility to win big.  You are probably more likely to win a life changing amount of money playing Keno, or the lottery, than in a session at Blackjack.  But you're also more likely to lose more money.  So as long as you play for fun, you should limit your losses and play whatever's the most fun to you.

                 

                But if you have more fun playing for what is likely to be a couple of hours with a lot of hands played, then you should be playing a game like Blackjack, not Keno.  That's because Keno draws happen once every few minutes, where as hands of blackjack generally last far less than a minute.

                 

                 

                I don't want to put words in Jimmy's mouth, although I suspect he's saying the same as me.  It's not that you SHOULDN'T play, it's that you're going to be much better off if you understand the mathemetics behind the games you might play, and then choose which games to play (or not play) based on your preferences alone.  I can totally see why some people like Keno.  It appealed to me the first time I went to a casino.  But that was then, and I now have very different values in my gambling.  I wouldn't enjoy Keno anymore, and the house edge is high, so my preferences lead me to other games.

                 

                 

                The reason that he said Keno is the worst bet is because most Keno bets have a 30% house edge.  Even slots have a lower edge.  However, I'd argue that Keno is still "better", because you're likely to play it slower, resulting in a lower expected loss.  On the other hand, most table games will be played with a much lower edge and expected loss.  Personally, I only like to gamble with an edge (or breakeven for comps,) but most people gamble for fun.  I recommend to them that they play low edge games like Craps, Blackjack, European Roulette, Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, etc. and not games like Keno or Slots unless they understand that the edge is HUGE.

                "That doesn't mean Keno is a better bet.  It's WAY worse."

                You can't play Blackjack while having lunch or bet $3 on each of the next 3 games.

                "That's assuming you define worse by house edge."

                He assumed I didn't know the house edge when I was leisurely betting $9 while waiting for and enjoying my lunch.

                "You are probably more likely to win a life changing amount of money playing Keno, or the lottery, than in a session at Blackjack."

                BINGO! Though it paid for everyone's lunch and more than enough for five days of golf in Southern Utah and five days of gambling in Vegas, it wasn't even close to a life changing event. How many winning sessions would a $3 a hand Blackjack player need to win $8000?

                "But if you have more fun playing for what is likely to be a couple of hours with a lot of hands played, then you should be playing a game like Blackjack, not Keno."

                I've never seen a Keno player sitting on third base hitting 16 with the dealer showing a 4 and watch him take the dealer's bust card so the dealer can make 21. Having a root canal was more fun.

                "It's not that you SHOULDN'T play, it's that you're going to be much better off if you understand the mathemetics behind the games you might play"

                In some casinos I can get 10 times free odds on the point and come bets in Craps, but knowing that doesn't make me feel better when a seven is rolled. I agree most players don't understand the math and probably don't care.

                "I wouldn't enjoy Keno anymore, and the house edge is high, so my preferences lead me to other games."

                I'm not advocating Keno, but the table games have changed. Blackjack tables made room for games like Let it Ride, Caribbean Stud, and Three Card Poker and because of those games, Blackjack now offers a variety of side bets. The minimum bet on most Craps tables is $10 and a full Roulette table is a contact sport.

                Blackjack is becoming a game people play waiting for a seat at one of the jackpot games. And most of them are guessing when to hit or stand. If you know the all the odds, you should know winning $200 after buying in for $200 is a huge Blackjack win, but can you do that enough times to equal the $1500 a player betting $10 a hand won by hitting four of kind playing Let it Ride?

                "and not games like Keno or Slots unless they understand that the edge is HUGE."

                Compared to playing MM or PB, the edge is tiny yet millions play both games every week. You said you don't play games with larger edges, but aren't you sort of ignoring why people play the jackpot games?

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                  Ronnie316,

                  Why is a question about the results of your 25 plays in a Megamillions drawing "divisive?"

                  Could it be because you don't like what the answer reveals?

                  And are you sure no one cares?  I disagree, and consequently, I've decided to answer the question you should have answered yourself, myself.  I'm sure you could have received some assistance from rdgrnr, who has lots of free time, so much so that he/she volunteers many hours per week here at LP, helping to keep it a well oiled machine, but you must be so busy that you never even thought of that.

                  Stay tuned - an analysis of your 25 picks is being prepared.

                  --Jimmy4164

                  Nancy, listen to me very carefully now, cupcake.

                  You're having a grand mal meltdown, do you understand me? You're coming unhinged.

                  You're way past irrational, you're delusional and you're obsessing.

                  People can have their own ideas about and strategies on playing lottery games without it being a personal affront to you. They're not trying to make you play their way, you can continue to play any way you desire. Does that make any sense to you in your present frame of mind?

                  Listen, how about you play the way you want and let everybody else play the way they want without all this confrontation and contention on whose way is better?

                  Then we can all be happy, shiny people again.

                  How about it, fruitcake?

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                    "Compared to playing MM or PB, the edge is tiny yet millions play both games every week. You said you don't play games with larger edges, but aren't you sort of ignoring why people play the jackpot games?"

                     

                    Not ignoring, that's why I said that better depends on an individual's preferences, but I avoid most of those games (Let It Ride, Keno, etc.) due to the much larger house edges.

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                      Is

                      this

                      better

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                      you?

                       

                      Are you implying that I'm lying? Why would I need to pretend that my spacebar is broken? Seriously. That is insulting. I don't press enter every other 

                      word because that would also appear like spam. I cut my lines off when it reaches the end, but it seems that's a bit too far. So I can press enter

                      slightly more often. However, it's insulting to assume that I am doing this to try to get on people's nerves or that I'm lying.

                      Most people's posts automatically wrap around to the next line as necessary.  A cursory examination of your posts shows that this is not the case for you. Thus the accusation that you are doing something out of the ordinary, such as using the non-breaking space character instead of a regular space, which renders each line as one long, unwrappable block of text.  Frankly, it's annoying, and as one cannot conceive of a method by which it would be done accidentally, it leads to the perception that you're doing it as an intentional attempt to get on people's nerves and the belief that you're lying when you deny it.

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                        Excellent point. People who intend to win the lottery intend to defy logic in the first place. So why would we go backward to simple conventional math when it comes to strategizing a jackpot win?

                        But you have already admitted that you have no strategy, that your "success", such as it is, is merely a product of good guessing.  So why do you continue to pitch this idea that you have some monumental strategy that makes you BETTER than everyone else when we all know that's not true?

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                          How typical of you jim to feel so superior to others that you feel an answer should be forthcoming just because you asked a question. 

                          NEWS FLASH jim, no one cares about you divisive questions and no one is obligated to answer.

                          you feel an answer should be forthcoming just because you asked a question

                          That's how discussions work in the real world, chief.  Questions are asked, answers are given, ideas are bandied about.  Honest give and take.  However, it is obvious that your idea of a discussion is one in which you dictate the terms and everyone else nods approvingly and kisses your ass.  What a shame.

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                            Nancy, listen to me very carefully now, cupcake.

                            You're having a grand mal meltdown, do you understand me? You're coming unhinged.

                            You're way past irrational, you're delusional and you're obsessing.

                            People can have their own ideas about and strategies on playing lottery games without it being a personal affront to you. They're not trying to make you play their way, you can continue to play any way you desire. Does that make any sense to you in your present frame of mind?

                            Listen, how about you play the way you want and let everybody else play the way they want without all this confrontation and contention on whose way is better?

                            Then we can all be happy, shiny people again.

                            How about it, fruitcake?

                            rdgrnr,

                            Everyone else is free to play however they wish.  Is there a rule at this site prohibiting me from answering a Topic Question in a way that differs from your beliefs?  If Ronnie316 was sure of the answer to his question, it would have made no sense for him to ask it with a thread.  When he feels there has been sufficient discussion of his question,  he could request that his thread be closed.

                            Besides, my post was meant for Ronnie316, not for you.

                            Who are you to tell anyone here what they may or may not post?

                            You are just a normal everyday member, right?

                            --Jimmy4164


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                              If I walked into a casino, plucked down 100 dollars on 26 on a roulette wheel, and the result was 26, would you call that "beating roulette?"  I would call that winning a bet.

                              Funny how easy it is for you to broaden your view when it suits your argument.

                                 
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