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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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I suppose my biggest question RJOh is what percentage of wins are found within the past 8 draws??

There has been 742 periods of 8 drawing in the 750 drawings since the last MM matrix change of which 31 or 4% had all 5 winning numbers, 126 or 16% had 4 winning numbers and 258 or 34% had 3 winning numbers.  These drawings included 23-36 numbers.

Picking strings of 5 numbers which never repeat which the graphic shows could have included 45 04 09 and 50 but not 40 is a strategy I've used which automatically eliminate numbers and is likely to have 3 of the winning numbers on the same line if you play enough lines.

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    There has been 742 periods of 8 drawing in the 750 drawings since the last MM matrix change of which 31 or 4% had all 5 winning numbers, 126 or 16% had 4 winning numbers and 258 or 34% had 3 winning numbers.  These drawings included 23-36 numbers.

    Picking strings of 5 numbers which never repeat which the graphic shows could have included 45 04 09 and 50 but not 40 is a strategy I've used which automatically eliminate numbers and is likely to have 3 of the winning numbers on the same line if you play enough lines.

    Interesting RJOh because thats only slightly better than the odds I was getting on all even/all odd wins.

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      Interesting RJOh because thats only slightly better than the odds I was getting on all even/all odd wins.

      Since both groups averages about 28 numbers, it shouldn't be surprising that their odds of winning are similar.  I thought you were trying to define/find a group who's winnings exceeded the odds.

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        Have you found a way to go back by number total instead of line total??

        Im only asking because I noticed in the example above that 21 draws back represents 48 numbers in this instance but can represent a smaller or larger group of numbers in other instances.

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          Have you found a way to go back by number total instead of line total??

          Im only asking because I noticed in the example above that 21 draws back represents 48 numbers in this instance but can represent a smaller or larger group of numbers in other instances.

          As I've mention many times my programs are written in GWBasic which is a MS-DOS language that won't work on any OS newer than XP. 

          It could be done by looking at the position of the winning number in the sorted combination and subtracting the difference minus the combination length from the line total but adding that routine would just add more lines to a program that has almost reached its memory limits.  I'm making a note of it and if/when I rewrite the program in a newer/different language I may change it.  Until I spend some time learning a newer language, I'm stucked using GWBasic and Windows XP.

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            There has been 79 of those so called "easy" wins since the last matrix change.

            07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
            06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
            11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
            06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
            12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
            11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
            09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
            07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
            07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
            06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
            05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
            12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
            10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
            10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
            10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
            10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
            08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
            08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
            08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
            06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
            11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8
            10/06/04 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/ 8
            10/04/16 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 8 6/ 8
            10/01/22 1/ 5 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 8
            09/01/06 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 5 8/ 8
            08/06/27 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 8
            07/10/05 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 8
            06/12/19 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 8
            06/09/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 6 6/ 8
            05/12/30 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 6/ 8
            12/08/10 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 9
            12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
            12/04/06 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 9 8/ 9
            11/11/08 1/ 2 3/ 6 4/ 6 6/ 7 7/ 9
            11/07/01 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 1 6/ 7 8/ 9
            11/05/20 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 9
            10/10/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 5/ 6 7/ 7 8/ 9
            10/06/29 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 7/ 9
            10/06/22 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 8/ 9 9/ 9
            09/12/22 1/ 5 2/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
            09/12/18 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 9
            08/12/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
            08/12/05 1/ 2 2/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 7 7/ 9
            08/12/02 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 2 6/ 7 8/ 9
            08/11/28 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 5/ 9 6/ 9
            07/03/02 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 6/ 8 8/ 9
            07/01/23 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 6 5/ 7 7/ 9
            06/03/21 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 9
            05/11/08 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 6 6/ 9
            05/09/23 1/ 2 2/ 4 3/ 8 4/ 9 5/ 9
            12/04/13 1/ 5 2/ 6 3/ 7 4/ 9 7/10
            12/02/24 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 6/10
            11/09/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 6 5/ 8 6/10
            11/06/14 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
            11/04/05 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 7 8/10
            11/01/04 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 4/ 8 5/10
            10/09/14 1/ 9 2/ 9 3/10 4/10 5/10
            09/06/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/10
            09/04/28 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 5 5/ 9 7/10
            09/02/24 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 9/10
            08/11/11 1/ 2 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
            08/10/10 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 6 5/10 6/10
            08/06/03 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 7/ 8 8/10
            06/07/11 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/10 5/10
            06/06/23 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 7 4/ 7 6/10
            06/04/07 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 7/10
            06/03/28 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/ 8 5/10
            12/06/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 4/ 9 7/10 8/11
            12/01/31 1/ 3 2/ 3 5/ 7 7/10 8/11
            11/06/28 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 5 6/11 7/11
            11/02/22 1/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 6 5/ 6 7/11
            10/10/08 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 7 5/11 6/11
            10/01/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 5 7/11
            09/04/14 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 5 8/11
            09/02/17 1/ 7 2/ 8 3/ 8 4/10 5/11
            07/08/14 1/ 4 2/ 6 3/10 4/10 5/11
            07/03/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 8 4/ 8 5/11
            07/01/19 1/ 1 3/10 4/11 5/11 6/11
            05/11/25 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 6/ 9 7/11

            Sorry if I keep asking the same question, Its not intentional.

            The objective is to improve upon the 2.6% win rate that 28 numbers gives overall. 4% will certainly do that but as Stack has stated, wining every 15 draws should be a reasonable objective which I believe is 6.6%

            I would think 7.5% would be needed overall to overcome losses due to bad elimination numbers and still get close to the objective on a consistent basis.


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              Posted: August 30, 2012, 4:37 pm - IP Logged

              Ok, each draw will be a different number total......

              but, for tomorrow nights draw I can go back a full 12 draws and use a total of 38 different number. To play a group of 28 I need to eliminate 10 numbers, and to play a group of 12......  I need to eliminate 26 numbers.


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                Now for the eliminations Im going to pick 5 random numbers over and over.

                01 02 15 16 49

                23 42 53 54 55

                06 15 32 50 56

                15 16 19 26 45

                13 15 16 21 53

                09 19 20 27 36

                07 15 18 36 47


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                  Posted: August 30, 2012, 4:59 pm - IP Logged

                  Looks like some good numbers there Ronnie!

                  I admire your determined work ethic, to make that 5+0, or 5+1 a reality.

                  Not a matter of if..... but when!  Thumbs Up


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                    Now for the eliminations Im going to pick 5 random numbers over and over.

                    01 02 15 16 49

                    23 42 53 54 55

                    06 15 32 50 56

                    15 16 19 26 45

                    13 15 16 21 53

                    09 19 20 27 36

                    07 15 18 36 47

                    28 numbers in play for Fri. Aug. 31, 2012

                    03 04 05 08 09 10 13 18 20 21 24 25 29 30 33 34 35 36 38 39 40 41 43 44 46 48 51 52

                    bonus ball 03


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                      Looks like some good numbers there Ronnie!

                      I admire your determined work ethic, to make that 5+0, or 5+1 a reality.

                      Not a matter of if..... but when!  Thumbs Up

                      Thank you kind sir, we are pressing toward the prize.


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                        Posted: August 30, 2012, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                        12 numbers in play for Fri. Aug. 31, 2012

                        03 04 05 08 10 24 25 29 30 33 34 35

                        bonus ball 3

                         

                        In order of selection: 04 25 34 05 33 08 24 35 10 30 29 03


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                          4 if 4 of 12 Wheel provided by LP. http://www.lotterypost.com/wheels-5.asp

                          Input:  4, 25, 34, 5, 33, 8, 24, 35, 10, 30, 29, 3

                          1. 04-05-08-25-34
                          2. 04-10-25-33-34
                          3. 04-25-29-33-34
                          4. 03-04-24-25-34
                          5. 04-25-30-34-35
                          6. 03-04-25-29-34
                          7. 04-05-25-30-33
                          8. 04-05-10-24-25
                          9. 03-04-05-25-35
                          10. 04-05-25-29-30
                          11. 03-04-08-25-33
                          12. 04-24-25-33-35
                          13. 04-08-24-25-30
                          14. 04-08-10-25-35
                          15. 04-08-25-29-35
                          16. 04-10-24-25-29
                          17. 03-04-10-25-30
                          18. 03-04-05-33-34
                          19. 04-05-24-34-35
                          20. 04-05-29-34-35
                          21. 04-05-10-30-34
                          22. 04-08-33-34-35
                          23. 04-24-30-33-34
                          24. 04-08-10-24-34
                          25. 04-08-24-29-34
                          26. 03-04-08-30-34
                          27. 03-04-10-34-35
                          28. 04-10-29-30-34
                          29. 04-05-08-24-33
                          30. 04-05-24-29-33
                          31. 04-05-10-33-35
                          32. 04-05-08-30-35
                          33. 04-05-08-10-29
                          34. 03-04-05-08-10
                          35. 03-04-05-08-29
                          36. 03-04-05-24-30
                          37. 04-08-10-30-33
                          38. 04-08-29-30-33
                          39. 03-04-10-24-33
                          40. 04-10-29-33-35
                          41. 03-04-30-33-35
                          42. 03-04-29-30-33
                          43. 03-04-08-24-35
                          44. 03-04-08-24-29
                          45. 04-10-24-30-35
                          46. 04-24-29-30-35
                          47. 03-04-10-29-35
                          48. 05-08-25-33-34
                          49. 05-24-25-34-35
                          50. 05-10-25-29-34
                          51. 03-05-25-30-34
                          52. 24-25-30-33-34
                          53. 10-25-33-34-35
                          54. 03-25-29-33-34
                          55. 08-24-25-29-34
                          56. 03-08-25-34-35
                          57. 08-10-25-30-34
                          58. 03-10-24-25-34
                          59. 25-29-30-34-35
                          60. 05-10-24-25-33
                          61. 03-05-25-33-35
                          62. 05-25-29-30-33
                          63. 05-08-24-25-30
                          64. 05-08-25-29-35
                          65. 03-05-08-10-25
                          66. 03-05-24-25-29
                          67. 05-10-25-30-35
                          68. 03-08-24-25-33
                          69. 08-25-30-33-35
                          70. 08-10-25-29-33
                          71. 24-25-29-33-35
                          72. 03-10-25-30-33
                          73. 08-10-24-25-35
                          74. 03-08-25-29-30
                          75. 03-24-25-30-35
                          76. 10-24-25-29-30
                          77. 03-10-25-29-35
                          78. 03-05-24-33-34
                          79. 05-29-33-34-35
                          80. 05-10-30-33-34
                          81. 05-08-10-24-34
                          82. 05-08-30-34-35
                          83. 03-05-08-29-34
                          84. 05-24-29-30-34
                          85. 03-05-10-34-35
                          86. 08-24-33-34-35
                          87. 03-08-10-33-34
                          88. 08-29-30-33-34
                          89. 10-24-29-33-34
                          90. 03-30-33-34-35
                          91. 03-08-24-30-34
                          92. 08-10-29-34-35
                          93. 10-24-30-34-35
                          94. 03-24-29-34-35
                          95. 03-10-29-30-34
                          96. 05-08-24-29-33
                          97. 05-08-10-33-35
                          98. 03-05-08-30-33
                          99. 05-24-30-33-35
                          100. 03-05-10-29-33
                          101. 03-05-08-24-35
                          102. 05-08-10-29-30
                          103. 05-10-24-29-35
                          104. 03-05-10-24-30
                          105. 03-05-29-30-35
                          106. 08-10-24-30-33
                          107. 03-08-29-33-35
                          108. 03-10-24-33-35
                          109. 03-24-29-30-33
                          110. 10-29-30-33-35
                          111. 08-24-29-30-35
                          112. 03-08-10-24-29
                          113. 03-08-10-30-35

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                            Sorry if I keep asking the same question, Its not intentional.

                            The objective is to improve upon the 2.6% win rate that 28 numbers gives overall. 4% will certainly do that but as Stack has stated, wining every 15 draws should be a reasonable objective which I believe is 6.6%

                            I would think 7.5% would be needed overall to overcome losses due to bad elimination numbers and still get close to the objective on a consistent basis.

                            Since 28 numbers can generate 98280 combinations of fives and the odds of matching 5/56 with that many combinations is 1:39 or 2.6% which is about a third of 7.5%, I wouldn't have any idea how to go about trying to develop a strategy to accomplishes that on my budget.

                            The only strategies I've ever considered were picking 10-30 combinations that had never come up with popular distribution patterns of previous drawings.

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                              Since 28 numbers can generate 98280 combinations of fives and the odds of matching 5/56 with that many combinations is 1:39 or 2.6% which is about a third of 7.5%, I wouldn't have any idea how to go about trying to develop a strategy to accomplishes that on my budget.

                              The only strategies I've ever considered were picking 10-30 combinations that had never come up with popular distribution patterns of previous drawings.

                              I actually like the sound of that strategy very very much RJOh, I have always been of the belief that a human can perceive and detect popular distribution patterns BETTER than any program will ever come close to.

                              But as I have heard you state... you have never had the winner to throw out.... much less pick.

                              The best I have seen is what Stack did by reducing my 98,280 down to 4931 and still retaining the winner.

                              I believe he used the 4 if 4 of 28 and the winner was on line 1115?

                                 
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