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Posted: April 8, 2013, 11:29 am - IP Logged

I was responding to your comment "I haven't seen any reports of declines in rates of return from any state lotteries either", it didn't include why there was a decline.  Are you now saying you meant to add "because of system players?"

"RJOh,

Are you trying to tell us that states are discontinuing games due to"........................

Who is the "us" Jammy keeps referring to in his posts? 

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    That's because you haven't been looking.  It shouldn't ever happen but sometimes it does.  When the rates of return started to decline for Ohio's Super Lotto years ago, it was discontinued.  It's just one of many state games that was discontinued or changed over the years when their profit declined.

    Didn't you read what happened to Massachusetts' WindFall game last year after it was exposed how big spenders were exploiting its features to make a profit?

    "When the rates of return started to decline for Ohio's Super Lotto years ago, it was discontinued."

    Let me guess, it was our wana-be-math teacher who brought up "rate of return"?

    The rate of return on scratch-offs is much lower than the online games, but because of the volume of play, the profits in dollars for that game is higher than all the online games combined in almost every state lottery. The Kentucky Pick-3 game paid out 97% of their ticket sales to prizes in one month and that will effect the Pick-3 game's profit rate of return for the entire fiscal year. They probably saw an increase in volume the following month because some of the winnings were wagered back into the game.

    It was the fixed payoffs, jackpot limits and possibly the addition of other games that doomed Super Lotto and not the profit rate of return.

    Any wana-a-be math teacher should know rate of return is a ratio or the percentage of total ticket sales that is returned as profit (or loss). A 70% rate of return looks much better than a 35% return, but the profits are much difference when the 35% return is on sales of $2 billion and the 70% return is on sales of $10 million.

    The profit rate of return is a fixed 50% on most state raffle games, but only when all of the tickets are sold. The decision to have another raffle game is based on previous volume and if they can get enough volume of play to make it worth it. If PB and MM only sold QPs, the overall rate of return would be almost a fixed percentage, but the rate of return would still vary from state to state because some states will have more or less than their average five number matches.

    Maybe our math teacher believes he should explain to the WVA lottery why their rate of return was much lower than the overall PB rate of return for all the states combined when those two guys matched five numbers several times using the PowerPlay option. Or better yet, he could show off his math skills and tell us the percentage chance a group of 21 numbers has of matching one MM number, but probably won't because that would actually add something to the on going discussion.


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      RJOh,

      Are you trying to tell us that states are discontinuing games due to STATE LOSSES brought about by "system" players "beating the odds?"  If you are, I'd like to see some proof. I think you will find their reasons are not at all what you are implying.  A good case in point is the one you brought up, the Massachusetts Cash Winfal game.  Syndicates of gamblers took advantage of a poorly designed game and won by buying massive numbers of tickets when the lower tier prizes were inflated through their flawed parimutuel rules.  These people didn't win a nickel by selecting numbers in any way resembling the VooDoo suggested by people here like Stack47 and Ronnie316.  And Massachusetts MADE MORE MONEY!!!

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/massachusetts-cash-winfall-lottery_n_1729416.html

      "Lottery officials found out about the loophole in 2010 or possibly earlier, but didn't do anything about it because the gamblers generated $16 million in revenue for the Massachusetts lottery, according to the report."

      --Jimmy4164

      p.s.  Why don't you people give up and retire to the Mystical Forums?

      Stack47, your knowledge of the games is very impressive.  Unfortunately, the answers to the questions you ask, along with $5, will get you no more than a snack at Starbucks. 

      RJOh, I guess I assumed too much when I assumed that at least one proverbial "half a brain" was functioning and knew that rates of return was implicit in my questions.

      Ronnie316,  no comment.

      It appears none of you wants to comment on the fact that your selection methods had nothing to do with how syndicates won money in the Massachusetts Cash Winfal game while helping the lottery commission win MORE money.  Figures.

      As a consolation, maybe one of you might eventually enlighten us with how you plan to retire by "Playing recently drawn numbers to win a jackpot."

      --Jimmy4164


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        Posted: April 8, 2013, 3:09 pm - IP Logged

        As a consolation, maybe one of you might eventually enlighten us with how you plan to retire by "Playing recently drawn numbers to win a jackpot."

        --Jimmy4164

        Perhaps Jammy doesn't realize that this is a work in progress and "we" don't have a specific step by step outline for his examination? As far as retiring doing this, I think a jackpot win will be sufficient.


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          Posted: April 8, 2013, 3:27 pm - IP Logged

          Numbers for live play Tue. Apr. 9, 2013.

          Friday, April 05, 2013                       08 · 15 · 23 · 36 · 41    05            3$50 Million
          Tuesday, April 02, 201307 · 10 · 14 · 40 · 47    344$42 Million
          Friday, March 29, 201325 · 31 · 36 · 46 · 53    214$34 Million
          Tuesday, March 26, 201320 · 33 · 46 · 49 · 51    464$26 Million
          Friday, March 22, 201314 · 27 · 34 · 37 · 41    384$20 Million
          Tuesday, March 19, 201303 · 06 · 14 · 21 · 37    353$13 Million
          Friday, March 15, 201304 · 08 · 17 · 22 · 32    082$12 Million
          Tuesday, March 12, 201309 · 12 · 19 · 20 · 30    394$41 Million
          Friday, March 08, 201304 · 11 · 25 · 34 · 35    444$33 Million
          Tuesday, March 05, 201306 · 20 · 39 · 41 · 46    423$26 Million
          Friday, March 01, 201317 · 30 · 38 · 43 · 51    204$19 Million
          Tuesday, February 26, 201306 · 07 · 13 · 15 · 43    074$13 Million
          Friday, February 22, 201309 · 13 · 24 · 38 · 49    303$12 Million
          Tuesday, February 19, 201301 · 15 · 19 · 30 · 56    283$26 Million
          Friday, February 15, 201311 · 35 · 41 · 42 · 44    424$20 Million
          Tuesday, February 12, 201309 · 22 · 32 · 38 · 55    443$13 Million
          Friday, February 08, 201306 · 15 · 20 · 39 · 50    054$12 Million
          Tuesday, February 05, 201302 · 05 · 10 · 26 · 44    464$19 Million
          Friday, February 01, 201301 · 30 · 32 · 40 · 41    173$13 Million
          Tuesday, January 29, 201308 · 12 · 27 · 46 · 47    063$12 Million
          Friday, January 25, 201311 · 12 · 17 · 31 · 48    014$89 Million
          Tuesday, January 22, 201307 · 11 · 16 · 39 · 54    133$80 Million


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            Posted: April 8, 2013, 3:27 pm - IP Logged

            Wheel:  Pick 5 Key 4 if 4 of 9

            Tickets:  14

            Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 9 numbers.

            Notes:  Highly balanced (Each non-Key number appears 7 times)

            Input:  41, 8, 36, 4, 38, 13, 24, 56, 48

            1. 04-08-36-41-56
            2. 08-13-36-38-41
            3. 08-24-36-41-48
            4. 04-08-24-38-41
            5. 04-08-13-41-48
            6. 08-38-41-48-56
            7. 08-13-24-41-56
            8. 04-36-38-41-48
            9. 04-13-24-36-41
            10. 24-36-38-41-56
            11. 13-36-41-48-56
            12. 04-13-38-41-56
            13. 04-24-41-48-56
            14. 13-24-38-41-48


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              Posted: April 8, 2013, 4:19 pm - IP Logged

              As a consolation, maybe one of you might eventually enlighten us with how you plan to retire by "Playing recently drawn numbers to win a jackpot."

              --Jimmy4164

              Perhaps Jammy doesn't realize that this is a work in progress and "we" don't have a specific step by step outline for his examination? As far as retiring doing this, I think a jackpot win will be sufficient.

              You must be busy.  You forgot about the Massachusetts Cash Winfal game again.  Oh well...

              Regardless of the disappointments you've been suffering over the bullheadedness of those smart little PB & MM balls, your use of the English language to express yourself here recently has dramatically improved.  Congratulations!

              "Perhaps Jammy doesn't realize that this is a work in progress and 'we' don't have a specific step by step outline for his examination? As far as retiring doing this, I think a jackpot win will be sufficient."

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                Hello, ronnie 316, you've noticed this pattern in your post above example, when a result is placed in order of draw, looking at each vertical position,
                  Whenever a position is a blank 17-20 raffles without a number of repeated
                A lot, this pattern of course we do not know what we do in column six editions
                To get the range of a 17 th of the 20 draws blank range, also
                  If you can see on diagonals example, if the base gets the last draw and diagonal type dna
                  To eliminate some numbers,
                Hello, ronnie 316, you've noticed this pattern in your post above example, when a result is placed in order of draw, looking at each vertical position,
                  Whenever a position is a blank 17-20 raffles without a number of repeated
                A lot, this pattern of course we do not know what we do in column six editions
                To get the range of a 17 th of the 20 draws blank range, also
                  If you can see on diagonals example, if the base gets the last draw and diagonal type dna
                  To eliminate some numbers,
                  In the above post the results posted look vertically at the 4th position went blank to see the pattern,

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                  Posted: April 9, 2013, 8:50 am - IP Logged
                   08 ·15 · 23 · 36 · 41    05            3US $ 50 milhões
                  Terça-feira, abril 2, 201307 · 10 · 14 · 40 · 47    344US $ 42 milhões
                  Sexta-feira, 29 de março, 201325 · 31 · 36· 46 · 53    214US $ 34 milhões
                  Terça - feira, 26 de março, 201320 · 33 · 46 · 49 · 51    464US $ 26 milhões
                  Sexta-feira 22 março, 201314 · 27 · 34 · 37 · 41     384US $ 20 milhões
                  Terca-feira, 19 de março, 201303 · 06 · 14 · 21 · 37    353US $ 13 milhões
                  Sexta-feira, 15 de marco, 201304· 08 · 17 · 22 · 32    082$ 12 milhões
                  Terça-feira 12 março, 201309 · 12 · 19 · 20 · 30    394US $ 41 milhões
                  Sexta-feira 8 de março, 201304 · 11 · 25 · 34 · 35    444US $ 33 milhões
                  Terça-feira 5 março, 201306 · 20 · 39 · 41 · 46    423US $ 26 milhões
                  Sexta - feira, 1 março, 201317 · 30 · 38· 43 · 51    204US $ 19 milhões
                  Terça - feira, 26 de fevereiro, 201306 · 07 · 13 · 15 · 43    074US $ 13 milhões
                  Sexta-feira, 22 de fevereiro, 201309 · 13 · 24 ·38 · 49    303$ 12 milhões
                  Terça-feira fevereiro 19, 201301 · 15 · 19 · 30 · 56     283US $ 26 milhões
                  Sexta-feira 15 fevereiro, 201311 · 35 · 41 · 42 · 44    424US $ 20 milhões
                  Terca-feira, 12 de fevereiro, 201309 · 22 · 32 · 38 · 55    443US $ 13 milhões
                  Sexta-feira 8 de fevereiro, 201306 · 15 · 20 · 39 · 50    054$ 12 milhões
                  Terca-feira 5 de fevereiro, 201302 · 05 · 10 · 26 · 44    464US $ 19 milhões
                  Sexta-feira, 1 de fevereiro, 201301 · 30 · 32 · 40 · 41    173US $ 13 milhões
                  Terça-feira, 29 janeiro, 201308 · 12 · 27 · 46 · 47    063$ 12 milhões
                  Sexta-feira, janeiro 25, 201311 · 12 · 17 · 31 · 48     014US $ 89 milhões
                  Terça-feira, 22 janeiro, 201307 · 11 · 16 · 39 · 54    13

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                    Posted: April 9, 2013, 4:17 pm - IP Logged

                    Nice work dr. I have lottery playing skills and excect to retire from my lottery winnings.


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                      You must be busy.  You forgot about the Massachusetts Cash Winfal game again.  Oh well...

                      Regardless of the disappointments you've been suffering over the bullheadedness of those smart little PB & MM balls, your use of the English language to express yourself here recently has dramatically improved.  Congratulations!

                      "Perhaps Jammy doesn't realize that this is a work in progress and 'we' don't have a specific step by step outline for his examination? As far as retiring doing this, I think a jackpot win will be sufficient."

                      Playing the lottery is a prerequisite to having lottery playing skills.


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                        Posted: April 9, 2013, 4:19 pm - IP Logged

                        Jammy doesn't play the lottery, neither does Boney, and neither does KY jelly.


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                          Posted: April 9, 2013, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

                          I play the lotterey. Ima bea JP wiinner. I got skills.


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                            Wheel:  Pick 5 Key 4 if 4 of 9

                            Tickets:  14

                            Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 9 numbers.

                            Notes:  Highly balanced (Each non-Key number appears 7 times)

                            Input:  41, 8, 36, 4, 38, 13, 24, 56, 48

                            1. 04-08-36-41-56
                            2. 08-13-36-38-41
                            3. 08-24-36-41-48
                            4. 04-08-24-38-41
                            5. 04-08-13-41-48
                            6. 08-38-41-48-56
                            7. 08-13-24-41-56
                            8. 04-36-38-41-48
                            9. 04-13-24-36-41
                            10. 24-36-38-41-56
                            11. 13-36-41-48-56
                            12. 04-13-38-41-56
                            13. 04-24-41-48-56
                            14. 13-24-38-41-48

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                              Posted: April 9, 2013, 6:50 pm - IP Logged

                              As a consolation, maybe one of you might eventually enlighten us with how you plan to retire by "Playing recently drawn numbers to win a jackpot."

                              --Jimmy4164

                              Perhaps Jammy doesn't realize that this is a work in progress and "we" don't have a specific step by step outline for his examination? As far as retiring doing this, I think a jackpot win will be sufficient.

                              After reading this, it's starting to look like I should unblock Jimmy because I'm only seeing half the conversations. I'll have to ask what he means by "plan to retire" because I thought retirement is a given for anyone winning a multi-million jackpot.

                              Maybe he means we should join all the "how will you spend your millions" threads and stop discussing possibilities of actually winning and pretend like we did.

                                 
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