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Universal filters programs for cash 5 kinds of games?

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Posted: May 26, 2013, 7:04 pm - IP Logged

Here's a screen shot of the filters you wrote about. I do treat the bonus ball as non-existent when dealing with games that have them. Anytime the ball is drawn from a separate pool, it is the same as having a second drawing independent of the first.

The labels should be understandable. But just in case, EOTTL = Even/Odd Total, LF = Left front digit, PAT = Lo/Mid/High pattern and EOPOS is Even/Odd Positioning.

Here's a shorter form to show which is more active throughout the history of the draws:

 

 

Much of this I've explored, however, you shed some new light. I come to realize last week or so filters need to be cohesive. They need to work together to aid you.

I wrote a set of filters and found 287 hits in the 2Step. The more I tightened the filters. the worse the results. From 287, it dropped to 237, to 186, to 153. At that point I knew I was in trouble.

Agreed. Filters need to be cohesive.

 

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garyo

Very good.

First of all you need a good enough prediction technique.

You also need to use very many more filters.

People don't listen to me, so of course they fail.

You also need a part of the program that does the filtration itself as these are just some stats.

As I have said so very many times before, not having the right filtration technique and also overfiltering will filter out the winning number.

Good Luck!

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    I'm trying to find some commonality with all pick5 games.  The following is for Ohio's Rolling Cash5:

    PRINT/COUNT SUMS OF 26 - 180 / 3
    SHIFT VALUE 26                  SUM
    SAT 05/25/13 - 04 09 15 23 25 + 76
    FRI 05/24/13 - 14 15 17 20 36 + 102
    THR 05/23/13 - 08 13 18 24 28 + 91
    WED 05/22/13 - 04 14 16 19 27 + 80
    TUE 05/21/13 - 05 17 27 29 33 + 111
    MON 05/20/13 - 05 08 12 18 37 + 80
    SUN 05/19/13 - 12 14 26 28 37 + 117
    SAT 05/18/13 - 09 10 12 27 33 + 91
    FRI 05/17/13 - 01 03 13 30 37 + 84
    THR 05/16/13 - 02 12 13 34 38 + 99
    WED 05/15/13 - 17 18 21 29 31 + 116
    TUE 05/14/13 - 04 06 07 18 33 + 68
    MON 05/13/13 - 01 25 33 37 38 + 134
    SUN 05/12/13 - 08 16 17 32 35 + 108
    SAT 05/11/13 - 04 18 25 33 39 + 119
    FRI 05/10/13 - 01 09 14 20 23 + 67

    RJOh

    What they call random is the very same for all the cash 5 games or it should be, I know that for the pick 3 games that so called random is the same for all the pick 3 games here on the U.S.A.

    So if you can win the games on one state you should be able to do the same for all the other states, I think that thru the years I might have been able to prove that, at least to myself.

    If the games and draws are conducted in a honest way, then the history of the past winning numbers don't lie.

    What you see is what you get, you need to develop your winning technique based on what you see on the history of the past draws, want to get to know the so called random? Study the past draws, prediction logic based on what you see on the past draws is what it is all about.

    No matter how good a person is at making lottery program, without the right prediction logic it might be hard to win other than by chance.

    Good Luck.

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      Hello, Monei good job of sums, but you can also do so eg =
      Let's take your example of 99/6, you can create sums of pairs start and end pairs
        The number of the center does not enter the study, eg initial pair going 01-45 and final pair 46-99, the sum and do now, because then you have references or base, because when you add up the numbers 5, we have no basis or refente now with peers initial and final pair have references, then we will deal with two sums, eg if the initial pair gave 120 and the final pair
        180, are analyzed separately, giving more precision, less clear that a lottery. Ex.40 / 5
         The limiete peer changes, the number will be the center for further study because it is up to the 3rd position, looking at a chart will track, the center, if understood can provide an example? What has changed is that it has two pairs of sums starting and ending just that.

      dr san

      Sorry, but I already have more than enough with my own ideas.

      Good Luck.

      I need software based on my very own ideas, not more ideas.

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        Posted: May 26, 2013, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

        Cash5 in Texas is a dying game. The legislatures killed it when they changed the matrix and lowered the payout in accordance with sales. That it no longer rolls over is another drawback. That the first prize money is distribute among those who pick 4 of 5 is not a big selling point. Where 4 of 5 would pay $90 to $130 if the jackpot is won, 4 of 5 pays $450 to $500. Not musch different than putting a buck on Pick 3. 

        The payouts went from $250,000 to $25,000. This year the highest payouts run $16,000 to $22,000 if there is only one winner. Multiple winners receive between $6,000 and $10,000 depending on the number.

        Sadly, the game is not attracting any new players and seems to be losing a few old timers each year.

        I gave up researching Cash5 when I began to realize this.

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        There are states where they still pay more or less good enough money on the cash 5, but of course, not on Tx.

        Neither the lower nor the higher prizes are good.

        Remember the Tx Millions game?

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          hello, Monei, the problem of the sums in general, and not have a reference point of beginning or end
          The sum may have the desired beginning with 01 or 27, thus walking in circles
            Besides the conflicts with other filters if you know the number or trailing ai works, if not circling,


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            Posted: May 26, 2013, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

            I'm trying to find some commonality with all pick5 games.  The following is for Ohio's Rolling Cash5:

            PRINT/COUNT SUMS OF 26 - 180 / 3
            SHIFT VALUE 26                  SUM
            SAT 05/25/13 - 04 09 15 23 25 + 76
            FRI 05/24/13 - 14 15 17 20 36 + 102
            THR 05/23/13 - 08 13 18 24 28 + 91
            WED 05/22/13 - 04 14 16 19 27 + 80
            TUE 05/21/13 - 05 17 27 29 33 + 111
            MON 05/20/13 - 05 08 12 18 37 + 80
            SUN 05/19/13 - 12 14 26 28 37 + 117
            SAT 05/18/13 - 09 10 12 27 33 + 91
            FRI 05/17/13 - 01 03 13 30 37 + 84
            THR 05/16/13 - 02 12 13 34 38 + 99
            WED 05/15/13 - 17 18 21 29 31 + 116
            TUE 05/14/13 - 04 06 07 18 33 + 68
            MON 05/13/13 - 01 25 33 37 38 + 134
            SUN 05/12/13 - 08 16 17 32 35 + 108
            SAT 05/11/13 - 04 18 25 33 39 + 119
            FRI 05/10/13 - 01 09 14 20 23 + 67

            Yawn

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              Posted: May 27, 2013, 4:26 pm - IP Logged

              is this based on a "regular pingpong balls" or computor drawings ?

              some day....some day

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                Posted: May 27, 2013, 7:05 pm - IP Logged

                is this based on a "regular pingpong balls" or computor drawings ?

                Filtering works with either based on the combinations in play and not how the draws are accomplished.

                That said, some filters, or filte settings may work better for a particular game depending on whether you play a high ball lottery or low ball lottery. You have to determine for yourself if your game is producing more high ball combinations low ball combinations.

                This is a good reason to run the filter through the entire matrix and again against the draws comparing the result to determine if the drawings are following the matrix.

                Good Luck!

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                  To filter out a winner from a batch of combinations, there has to be winners in the batch.  I have checked batches of combinations of 5000 and more that never had a combination that matched more than three of the winning numbers and yet I doubt if most lottery programs generate more combinations expecting to pick a winner.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    To filter out a winner from a batch of combinations, there has to be winners in the batch.  I have checked batches of combinations of 5000 and more that never had a combination that matched more than three of the winning numbers and yet I doubt if most lottery programs generate more combinations expecting to pick a winner.

                    This is true RL. I am sure there are several reasons that happens.

                    Going all in on one digit, pair, trip, or set is one reason.

                    Running tight filters is another reason.

                    Setting the the wrong filter first is a big reason in my case. The first filter, call it the base filter,  should be one that produces the largest amount of possible outcomes.

                    The more I research filters the more I realize I don't know squat about filtering techniques. I'm always learning and most of the time it is the same lesson from a different standpoint. This is a problem most everyone faces with filters.

                    Let's use some of the filters in this thread to demonstrate why a single filter may produce a loser before you buy a ticket.

                    To do this we'll use the Texas 2Step 4/35 and I'll quote stats frm the entire matrix.

                    One of the most popular filters is the Even/Odd Totals. It is simply the total of the even and odd numbers. Its considered ubiquitous. Its used in every program and game.

                    There are 2380 sets containg 4Even/0Odd in Texas 2Step. They make up 4.5% of the total sets.

                    There are 12240 sets containing 3Even/1Odd. They make up 23.5% of the total sets.

                    There are 20808 sets containing 2Even/2Odd that make up 39.7% of all combinations.

                    There are 13872 sets containing 1Even/3Odd that make up 26.5% of all combinations.

                    And there are 3060 sets of 0Even/4Odd that make up 5.8% of all combinations.

                    Knowing that, it makes sense to jump on 2Even/2Odd with the expectation that almost 4 of the next ten drawing will match the E/O patterns. Combined with 1E/3O almost 7 of the next ten drawings could be expected to match those patterns.

                    But the lottery rarely plays by its statistical rules.

                    A good example of this is last ear when I was watching the sum patterns od Pick3. he sum went to 70 draws out, the longest it had ever been and a length that, for a mid sum, was unusual. I immediately set the trap  playing all combinations totalling 15 with the belief that I would cash in quick.

                    Big fail. I spent $187 to win $250. Certainly not the big score I anticipated. So what happened?

                    Somewhere along the way I forgot to check the trends. And those current trends have a way of disrupting the statistical process. We fool ourselves by calling it an abberration of the norm, but the norm is whatever is happing at the time. Current trends can push aside digits, sums, E/O patterns, E/O totals, and every other filter we apply. 

                    Statistically the drawing can follow the matrix perfectly overall, but the more important question is is the game following the matrix NOW and in recent week or months?

                    IMHO the biggest reason filters fail is we apply them by what we know overall, without considering what the trends are in recent history.

                    All games have the propensity to go "crazy" and times; producing eerie combinations that make us go, "Huh?"

                    Pardon me, if I've missed your point, seems I've meandered around and deluded mine as well. Wink

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                      On a 5/37 game the OOOOO filter pattern has or holds 11,628 lines-combinations

                      And the EEEEE has 8,568

                      The OEOEO has 20,349 combinations on it.

                      So as seen, the patterns don't seem to filter out the very same numbers of lines each, this is due to the make-up of the game and the make up of the filters.

                      For a cash 5 game there are 32 patterns for each of these filters.

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                        And what happens when you try to match O's and E's by postion with the previous game?

                        You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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                          And what happens when you try to match O's and E's by postion with the previous game?

                          Tue, May 28, 2013    04-15-18-21-27
                          Mon, May 27, 2013    11-20-25-31-35
                          Sat, May 25, 2013    02-04-06-07-26
                          Fri, May 24, 2013    01-05-28-29-31
                          Thu, May 23, 2013    04-05-07-14-17

                          I don't understand your question!

                          Tue, May 28, 2013    04-15-18-21-27 EOEOO
                          Mon, May 27, 2013    11-20-25-31-35 OEOOO
                          Sat, May 25, 2013    02-04-06-07-26 EEEOE
                          Fri, May 24, 2013    01-05-28-29-31 OOEOO
                          Thu, May 23, 2013    04-05-07-14-17 EOOEO

                          This is a filter same as any other such, for this kind of game it has 32 patterns to it.

                          It is used in the same way that other filters are used.

                          It all depends on your prediction technique how you use it, it might not be the same for everybody who uses it.

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                            Tue, May 28, 2013    04-15-18-21-27 EOEOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/27
                            Mon, May 27, 2013    11-20-25-31-35 OEOOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/26
                            Sat, May 25, 2013    02-04-06-07-26 EEEOE - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/25
                            Fri, May 24, 2013    01-05-28-29-31 OOEOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/24
                            Thu, May 23, 2013    04-05-07-14-17 EOOEO

                            You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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                              Tue, May 28, 2013    04-15-18-21-27 EOEOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/27
                              Mon, May 27, 2013    11-20-25-31-35 OEOOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/26
                              Sat, May 25, 2013    02-04-06-07-26 EEEOE - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/25
                              Fri, May 24, 2013    01-05-28-29-31 OOEOO - 2 MATCHES FROM 5/24
                              Thu, May 23, 2013    04-05-07-14-17 EOOEO

                              jking

                              As I said, it all depends on what you are trying to do with it.

                              Good Luck!