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@ vjonson may be u can explain a question i have here the poster BA cannot explain how he arrived at certain rootsums he came up with ..... ________________________________________________________________________________________________________
@addai1516,
Got a little test for you. Since BA doesn't want everyone to play ALL his predictions, lets say you post for the same STATE ( State Specific) because BA's predictions are STATE SPECIFIC, not for ALL States.
You come up with Root specifics, what digit will hit in what posistion and how many days it will take to hit. After the test we'll do a comparison.Fair enough? I mean after all you stated ANYONE could post 300 numbers and come up with a hit didn't you?
Lets just take the test, and then maybe we can put this to rest....
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@MADDOG10, I am willing to share my rootsum knowledge with any one who wants to know about my work .All they have to do is PM me . This method predict three pairs with a gaurantee hit but generate six numbers excluding doubles . If i have the time i will defnitely take up this offer we shall see .
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Quote: Originally posted by MADDOG10 on Jul 18, 2013
@ vjonson may be u can explain a question i have here the poster BA cannot explain how he arrived at certain rootsums he came up with ..... ________________________________________________________________________________________________________
@addai1516,
Got a little test for you. Since BA doesn't want everyone to play ALL his predictions, lets say you post for the same STATE ( State Specific) because BA's predictions are STATE SPECIFIC, not for ALL States.
You come up with Root specifics, what digit will hit in what posistion and how many days it will take to hit. After the test we'll do a comparison.Fair enough? I mean after all you stated ANYONE could post 300 numbers and come up with a hit didn't you?
Lets just take the test, and then maybe we can put this to rest....
I would suggest that any tests have at least 10 drawings (although even that is a small sample size, it is better than just 1 or 2 drawings). The more drawings in the sample test size, the more "luck" is eliminated.
Over time, regardless of who is making the predictions, the results will approach what the stats say should happen. Over time, even with some straight or box wins, that will even out with non-winning picks. The more time that passes -> the more drawings in the sample size -> the closer the results get to what the statistical outcome should be.
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Quote: Originally posted by LottoBoner on Jul 18, 2013
Do I detect a little sarcasm here?
You might get a hit betting that way.
But you will probably have spent more than you won and have to eat dirt, worms and cardboard to survive.
I can say BA is good.
However I can also say that his posts sometimes confuse the hell out of me.
I mean in the first two posts he says. Play these numbers. Then the next couple of posts seem to be all smoke and mirrors.
Which confuse me even more. Rootsum and root root sum.
That calculator ranman posted though is helpful. Even if all you want to do is give your brain a rest.
The thing is stack. These people playing allstates are just playing .25 cent box online.
I dont know who is running that ponzi scheme but didn't betslips go out of business trying to run a business with those elevated payoffs?
"Do I detect a little sarcasm here?"
Of course, but it's directed more toward the few who say LP members suffer from innumeracy and are trying to convince us mathematicians say we can never win playing lottery games. BA was clear on their objective and that is to point players in the right direction and I believe BA is using sound math to do that.
"You might get a hit betting that way. But you will probably have spent more than you won and have to eat dirt, worms and cardboard to survive."
My intent wasn't for someone to play those ten lines in every pick-3 game, but in every drawing with three different digits, one of those ten lines matched two digits in 100% of them. Including the games were doubles were drawn, 89% matched two digits. I don't expect my hit or prize ratio to be very good because the ten lines are for box and by default half the bets on the prediction board are straight. Because the digits are evenly distributed, it did match two digits in the correct digit positions in 23% of the drawings.
"I can say BA is good. However I can also say that his posts sometimes confuse the hell out of me."
When BA predicted 2 or 4 would hit in the first or second digit position in the next three days, I doubt their intent was for a player to play 400 straight lines either. I skipped though the list of numbers and isolated on the sum and root sum filters BA predicted and applied them using the Positional Wheel Generator. The 400 lines were reduced to 44 and one of those lines was a straight hit the next drawing.
The odds against any two digits being drawn in the first or second digit positions are 4 to 1 in each position. Most states have two drawings a day so that's 12 chances of beating 4 to 1 odds in three days and a good bet. I base the profit on playing $44 in 6 drawings. Without using filters it's a terrible bet, but picking a playable amount of lines out of 400 is still better than out of 1000.
I think the confusion is added by tying to get a hit in every drawing when one out of six is sufficient enough to show a nice $236 profit on a $264 bet. You'll get more hits playing box, adding vtrac and mirrors, but you'll probably play at a loss.
"Which confuse me even more. Rootsum and root root sum."
The Sum is the total of the three digit number; the Sum of 546 is 15. The Root Sum is a one digit number by adding 1 and 5 for 6. There are 27 different Sums and the Root Sums divide them into 9 groups of 3. The Sums 6, 15, and 24 all have a Root Sum of 6. By default filtering the Root Sums using the Sum of 15 eliminates the Sums of 6 and 24 so I don't see the logic of using Sums and Root Sums together as filters. The Sum Last Digit (Short Sum) for 546 is 5 because 5 is the last digit in 15 and that would group the Sum of 15 with the Sums of 5 and 25. And again by default those would be eliminated if the Sum of 15 was the only Sum filter.
If you understand what I just typed, please explain to me.
"I dont know who is running that ponzi scheme but didn't betslips go out of business trying to run a business with those elevated payoffs?"
We have people complaining because the state lotteries place a limit on the amount that can be bet on one number. At a $900 to $1 payoff and unless their daily volume is huge, I doubt an online business could sustain $1000 bet and won on one number. I don't know if they really can play online and get $900 to $1, but to them saying they are getting $150 for a $1 box hit justifies predicting 50 straight/box lines. I'd rather have the cash than the bragging rights so if a system can't show a profit playing a state lottery game, it's useless to me.
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Quote: Originally posted by addai1516 on Jul 18, 2013
@MADDOG10, I am willing to share my rootsum knowledge with any one who wants to know about my work .All they have to do is PM me . This method predict three pairs with a gaurantee hit but generate six numbers excluding doubles . If i have the time i will defnitely take up this offer we shall see .
@addai1516,
I understand and believe me when I sayI'm not putting you down, nor am I trying to put you down in any way. BA will bend over backwards to help people also, just like you .I've seen this numerous times. The objective behind him is that he trys to steer you in the right direction when it comes to what is due in a particular State. He doesn't just give numbers to throw at you, he gives specifics, He does the same as casho on fourencics, or as you would for anyone else if they asked for advice. And even though he boast about his predicting which is not very often, IMHO he's got the right to do so.
You and other predictors on this site are very helpful to others and if you haven't been told that before, I'll tell all of you now and I'll thank you for doing that also. We are a pretty tight knit community here at LP, (with the exception of a few), and every predictor is great in their own way.
I just don't want you or anyone else to take it personnal.
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Nothing personal , i just got my point accross that some predictors need to explain their work .. Back to winning everyone have a good day at the office peace ...
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Quote: Originally posted by addai1516 on Jul 19, 2013
Nothing personal , i just got my point accross that some predictors need to explain their work .. Back to winning everyone have a good day at the office peace ...
I explain my work, just not a very good predictor.
I noticed a box hit in California too. Those lines are generic, mathematically arranged and should produce a few hits somewhere. They should average about four box hits every day and a straight hit every 8 days. The better predictions are state specific and not "one size fits all".
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I guess I missed it I never saw where BA said he was an amazing predictor. It's okay to me that BA does not share how he arrives at his conclusions. I always thought vTracs was mumbo jumbo until BA made a post recently on it. It got me thinking about vTracs again, I'm still not convinced but I am thinking on it. I think that is the value in what BA and Win D post on LP is that they get me thinking about problems and maybe I can contribute in a way that they did not think about.
By the way I just got back from Tahoe. I mostly played California Fantasy 5 and had some success. I purchased my tickets using a Kiosk machine at Raley's which read in my play slips. I only had a $20 bill so I played $15 of Fantasy 5 on 3 play slips of 5. So I had $5 to spend on QP's. To my suprise unless I missed the option when you selected Pick3 and Pick4 you had to select the numbers, QP was not an option. I ended up selecting $5 QP's on Lottery Plus game instead. Again unless I missed the option on the Kiosk machine it appears California lottery expects people to pick the numbers for Pick3 and Pick4.
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Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on Jul 20, 2013
Wonder why BA hasn't answered any posts?
Because he is not sure about the work he does coward and arogance A BAD INSTRUCTOR RIGHT IN THE NOSE RUDNESS RUDENESS ..SOUND LIKE A POLITICIAN TO ME LOVE TO EXPRESS SELF TO AUDIENCE AND AVOID QUESTIONS AND CONCERN THEY GOT ..
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thanks Ronnie316 ...
