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Pick 3 Skip chart, is chart useful for filtering ideas?

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I added a skip chart to the software that I am working on.  It can be found here (sorry if you don't have a wide-screen monitor).

GA Evening Skip Chart

This is a skip chart for the last 45 draws of Georgia Evening Pick 3.  I chose not to use Georgia Midday because it appears to be in Double mode at the moment.

Box Skip - Shows in sorted order from lowest skip to highest skip for the numbers based on the current skip count of numbers in boxed form
Box Rank - Ranks the skip count from 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest) again in sorted order.

So you would use Box Skip or Box Rank if you wanted to make decisions for boxed play.

Pos Skip - Shows what the skip count was for the digits by position at time of drawing.  Not in sorted order but by position.
Pos Rank - Again tries to rank the skip count by position from 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest) skip count.

The next chart visually shows where the hits occurred for any of the digits (i.e. box play).

The next 3 charts show where the hits occurred by position 1, position 2, and position 3 for straight play.

The only obvious play is for straight play a good bet is not to play for a digit to repeat by position.

For Box play having a digit that has a high box rank is a fairly safe bet.

Anyone else have thoughts on this information or have ideas for additional information that might be useful?

If interested in helping with the software then PM me.

I think I have come to the conclusion for Pick3 and Pick4 there is not just a few filters that can be used but you need a series of interelated filters.  I am also leaning towards its better to predict what will not happen versus trying to predict what will happen.  I also think pairs analysis will be the key to any success.

 

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    Jimmy, it looks great.

    Just do it......

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      Currently for GA Evening digit 5 at Position 1 has the highest skip count of 23.  Digit 5 also has a box skip count of 0 since it hit in position 2 in the previous draw.  Is that a sign digit 5 will appear in position 1 for tonight's draw?

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        Jimmy, it looks great.

        Thanks, any thoughts if this is useful information?

        Visually looking at the 4 charts (box, pos1, pos2, pos3) does the distribution look random based on skips?

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          Jim  I don't think you can have too many filter options.  the problem is chosing which to use, which to ignore. as you add more filter options you also need to add data to help in chosing whether to use the filter or what values to use.  ex will the next draw be a double?  it helps to be able to see an overview of the past 25,50,100,500 etc games.  there are 8 even odd comb. they are most likely to repeat after 1,2,or 3 days, pattern not numbers. a pattern rarely goes more than 40 days without a hit.  same with the hi/low pattern.  I like to look at how old a box numers was when it hit.  most of the time it will be less than 500 games. if the last draw was say 1700, in the next draw I would filter out any comb older than 1000.  lately in my game they have been coming back to back so watch the history.

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            JJ, this is a very good 50/50 filter. It will be a 1 or 2. Win D came up with this, years ago. Maybe you can up with some things to add to the filter.

             

            I. 1. Mostly to All HIGH (5,6,7,8,9) ..... or

            2. Mostly to All LOW (0,1,2,3,4)



            II. 1. Mostly to All EVEN (0,2,4,6,8)...or

            2. Mostly to All ODD ( 1,3,5,7,9)



            III. 1. Mostly to All IN digits (3,4,5,6,7) ...... or

            2. Mostly to All OUT (0,1,2,8,9)



            IV. 1. Cosecutive Pair , 0-9, is consec

            2. NO Consecutive Pair

             

            This is Fl Mid. G4T= Guess 4 Things

            G4TPKGHITSMEDMAXDUEAVGSKIPS
            121210419475519.7610
            212210419176029.9123
            1211781501173112.6214
            2121781321252014.347
            2221661311079014.451
            2212581251165015.140
            1111661201367115.788
            2112581181159316.0449
            1222581181374116.0416
            11225810213110018.566
            2111489513102119.9329
            1121488816113021.512
            2222408418106022.549
            111240811795123.3720
            2211488115103023.373
            1221488316122022.814
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              Hello. carbob. Good job, the basic filters, you can also add the filter mirror
              0,1,2,3,4
              5,6,7,8,9
              You ever noticed that in 85% of the pairs in this sector or pick3 example = even and odd
              The pair of this pick3 or in part or other

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                Jim  I don't think you can have too many filter options.  the problem is chosing which to use, which to ignore. as you add more filter options you also need to add data to help in chosing whether to use the filter or what values to use.  ex will the next draw be a double?  it helps to be able to see an overview of the past 25,50,100,500 etc games.  there are 8 even odd comb. they are most likely to repeat after 1,2,or 3 days, pattern not numbers. a pattern rarely goes more than 40 days without a hit.  same with the hi/low pattern.  I like to look at how old a box numers was when it hit.  most of the time it will be less than 500 games. if the last draw was say 1700, in the next draw I would filter out any comb older than 1000.  lately in my game they have been coming back to back so watch the history.

                Hello, thanks everybody for their responses.

                I already have a box draws out filter.  Here is a picture.

                boxed draws out example

                The median value for boxed draws out is 154.  The median is calculated over the last 100 draws.  The current Median value for boxes draws out is 154.  What this means is that in the last 100 draws 50 draws had a boxed draws out value between 0 and 154, and 50 draws had a boxed draws out value of 154 and greater.  Using the median value you essentially can make any filter a 50/50 filter.  You just have to guess/predict the right side of the coin flip.

                Using the last draw as example I input 154 as max value for boxed draws out.  I then hit generate and got 537 straight numbers and 107 boxed numbers.  Using this filter by itself almost got me to break even.

                In my program D Filters stands for Dynamic Filters.  Dynamic filters rely on previous draws to calculate value.  S Filters stand for static filters or filters that do not rely on previous draws.  For example if you wanted to filter based on sum between 10 and 14 this would be a static filter.  If you wanted to filter out the last 10 sums from consideration then that would be a dynamic filter.

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                  Here is another example using boxed draws out filter where I throw out the last 154 boxed combos.  In this example using only this filter I am in the money for straight play.

                  boxed draws out example 2

                   Jimmy

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                    Here is another example using boxed draws out filter where I throw out the last 154 boxed combos.  In this example using only this filter I am in the money for straight play.

                    boxed draws out example 2

                     Jimmy

                    Very nice JJ. What is feeling for Hot/Cold? I don't have a good feeling about that at all. Do you have a gauge for those?

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                      Very nice JJ. What is feeling for Hot/Cold? I don't have a good feeling about that at all. Do you have a gauge for those?

                      My Freq High Low chart can be used to track Hot/Cold.  Essentially I will be creating an internal filter that if checked will eliminate roughly 400 straight combos and approximately 100 boxed combos and be accurate 70% of the time based on Hot/Cold heuristic.  I need to tweak it some more.  Doubles might throw a wrench in this so I need to test some more.  Doubles for Pick3 are a pain to deal with.  Single repeating doubles for Pick4 not so much.

                      I think the money filters will be the pairing filtering I am currently working on.

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                        My Freq High Low chart can be used to track Hot/Cold.  Essentially I will be creating an internal filter that if checked will eliminate roughly 400 straight combos and approximately 100 boxed combos and be accurate 70% of the time based on Hot/Cold heuristic.  I need to tweak it some more.  Doubles might throw a wrench in this so I need to test some more.  Doubles for Pick3 are a pain to deal with.  Single repeating doubles for Pick4 not so much.

                        I think the money filters will be the pairing filtering I am currently working on.

                        Jimmy

                        Thanks JJ, waiting for that part.

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                          I added a skip chart to the software that I am working on.  It can be found here (sorry if you don't have a wide-screen monitor).

                          GA Evening Skip Chart

                          This is a skip chart for the last 45 draws of Georgia Evening Pick 3.  I chose not to use Georgia Midday because it appears to be in Double mode at the moment.

                          Box Skip - Shows in sorted order from lowest skip to highest skip for the numbers based on the current skip count of numbers in boxed form
                          Box Rank - Ranks the skip count from 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest) again in sorted order.

                          So you would use Box Skip or Box Rank if you wanted to make decisions for boxed play.

                          Pos Skip - Shows what the skip count was for the digits by position at time of drawing.  Not in sorted order but by position.
                          Pos Rank - Again tries to rank the skip count by position from 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest) skip count.

                          The next chart visually shows where the hits occurred for any of the digits (i.e. box play).

                          The next 3 charts show where the hits occurred by position 1, position 2, and position 3 for straight play.

                          The only obvious play is for straight play a good bet is not to play for a digit to repeat by position.

                          For Box play having a digit that has a high box rank is a fairly safe bet.

                          Anyone else have thoughts on this information or have ideas for additional information that might be useful?

                          If interested in helping with the software then PM me.

                          I think I have come to the conclusion for Pick3 and Pick4 there is not just a few filters that can be used but you need a series of interelated filters.  I am also leaning towards its better to predict what will not happen versus trying to predict what will happen.  I also think pairs analysis will be the key to any success.

                           

                          Jimmy

                          Since no one specifically responded to my skip question, go back and look at original picture and focus on the box rank column.

                          66% of the time you would be correct to eliminate all combos made up of rank 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.  In other words most combos include a number from rank 1, 2, 3.  You would be eliminating 7 digits or 7 * 7 * 7 = 343 straight combos.

                          66% of the time you would be correct in removing combos that have rank 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.  In other words most combos include a number from rank 8, 9, 10.  You would again be eliminating 7 digits or 7 * 7 *7 = 343 straight combos.

                          Unfortunately combining the 2 does not work most of the time.

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                            JJ, this is a very good 50/50 filter. It will be a 1 or 2. Win D came up with this, years ago. Maybe you can up with some things to add to the filter.

                             

                            I. 1. Mostly to All HIGH (5,6,7,8,9) ..... or

                            2. Mostly to All LOW (0,1,2,3,4)



                            II. 1. Mostly to All EVEN (0,2,4,6,8)...or

                            2. Mostly to All ODD ( 1,3,5,7,9)



                            III. 1. Mostly to All IN digits (3,4,5,6,7) ...... or

                            2. Mostly to All OUT (0,1,2,8,9)



                            IV. 1. Cosecutive Pair , 0-9, is consec

                            2. NO Consecutive Pair

                             

                            This is Fl Mid. G4T= Guess 4 Things

                            G4TPKGHITSMEDMAXDUEAVGSKIPS
                            121210419475519.7610
                            212210419176029.9123
                            1211781501173112.6214
                            2121781321252014.347
                            2221661311079014.451
                            2212581251165015.140
                            1111661201367115.788
                            2112581181159316.0449
                            1222581181374116.0416
                            11225810213110018.566
                            2111489513102119.9329
                            1121488816113021.512
                            2222408418106022.549
                            111240811795123.3720
                            2211488115103023.373
                            1221488316122022.814

                            To a certain extent you can track the mostly/all filters for odd/even low/high in/out.  From picture you can see that mostly/all low is 3 draws out.  Consecutive pair is two draws out.  I might add a button which will highlite the 50/50 filters when they go 4 draws out or higher to bring them to your attention.  If GA evening is not mostly low tonight I would certainly start playing it tomorrow night.

                            mostly low

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                              For the D Filters (Dynamic filters) I am going to write an optimizer.  I will probably have 2 buttons 50% probability, and 75% probability.  It would then try to calculate the tightest settings for all of the D filters to achieve 50% accuracy or 75% accuracy over the last 100 draws.  100 is aribitrary so I might make it configurable.  It would probably re-calibrate these settings when you updated the draws.

                              Once upon a time I wrote a loader that would optimize the loading of TSR's into the UMB memory space between 640K and 1MB on the old DOS operating systems.  This story had a bad ending when a certain company located in the Northwest licensed the technology and proceeded to not pay royalty payments as stipulated in the contract.

                              Jimmy