Lincoln, California United States Member #167130 June 27, 2015 256 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 12:50 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Numberloco on October 28, 2015

Hey Allen,

I was using Amber's example of playing offshore which would give her $900 for a straight win. You are correct though. The normal payout from the state is $500.

United States Member #43456 July 20, 2006 5 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 1:00 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on October 28, 2015

So no Box Wins?

My understanding is that Amber's goal is to play 6 ways straight to ensure the higher payout. For example:

123 - $1.00 straight

132 - $1.00 straight

312 - $1.00 straight

321 - $1.00 straight

213 - $1.00 straight

231 - $1.00 straight

Using the above example, you're guaranteed to get a straight hit if the numbers 123 fall in any order. However you would get nothing for the other 5 bets. If you wanted a box hit, it would cost an additional $1.00.

Lincoln, California United States Member #167130 June 27, 2015 256 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 1:03 am - IP Logged

I am reworking this because I just realized the payouts are wrong. You either have to increase the bet or play the combo. then you only get half of the winnings. Looks like you lose $323,780 with my example. I am High, I'm going to Bed.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7325 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 1:19 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on October 27, 2015

LMAO @ "do the math"!

There are ten 6-way boxes with 5 being the lowest digit; 567-568-569-578-579-589-678-679-689-789 and each of the ten 6-way boxes has six different 3 digit numbers for a total of 60. Statistically these ten 6-way boxes represent 8.3% of all 120 6-way boxes. Added to the 90 3-way boxes and the ten triples, there should be 396 6-way boxes with the lowest digit being 0,1,2,3, or 4 drawn in 600 drawings.

I have no idea what you're writing about. There were 26 combinations during the 600 draws that the lowest digit above 4. I even tallied them up for you month by month. 26 is 4.3% of 600 draws. Why are some of you having so much difficulty understanding this?

Nope, 600 minus 396 is 204 losses and not "188" and the 204 figure is plus or minus standard deviation. Can you show even one state 3 digit game that had a 600 drawing period where 27% were doubles, 72% singles, and 1% triples?

Where are you getting 396 from?

Can you show us all where we canlegallywager 25 cents on a straight pick-3 number and get 900 to 1 odds without moving out of the U.S.?

No I can't because a place like that doesn't exist here. But there is a place offshore that pays 900. I'll just leave it at that.

Maybe the 27% is a little off by a 3 or 4% margin of error in either direction, and that's perfectly ok because I'll still make money, and lots of it. As for the other stats, they are FACT. If you and others don't agree with me, that's fine, But I won't continue debating. I know the numbers I've seen and re-checked many times.

Maybe I'll start a tracking of the money spent and won, with the losses right in the this thread and update the results on a daily basis so everyone can see for themselves. It's really very simple, but some of you want to throw things in that has nothing to do with the facts.

I'll start the make believe betting starting tomorrow for Florida.

"I have no idea what you're writing about. There were 26 combinations during the 600 draws that the lowest digit above 4. I even tallied them up for you month by month. 26 is 4.3% of 600 draws. Why are some of you having so much difficulty understanding this? "

Your system seems to be based on the 660 3 digit combos where the lowest digit is 0,1,2,3,or 4. Statistically one of those 660 combos should be drawn in 66% of of all the drawings or 396 times in 600 drawings. The same probability applies to the 60 combos where the lowest digit is 5, 6, or 7 that represents 6% of the total combos or one of those combos.

There were 49 times in the Florida midday drawing over the same period of time which is 13 more than probable 36 and added to the 26 in the evening drawing, By averaging both drawings together, one of those combos were drawn 75 times and three more than the probability of 72.

"Maybe the 27% is a little off by a 3 or 4% margin of error in either direction, and that's perfectly ok because I'll still make money, and lots of it."

The 27% is the 270 combos with two matching digits (doubles). Now add the 1% triples and the 6% where the lowest digit is 5 or higher. That's 34% leaving you with a probable 66%. Wagering 25 cents each on 660 straight combos for 600 drawings will cost $99,000. The probable 396 wins means collecting $88,650 and a net loss of over $10,000.

"But I won't continue debating."

I'm not debating, just pointing out the probabilities and the actual results. In the last 365 Florida evening drawings, 242 of them were a 3 digit number with the lowest number 4 or lower. That's 66.3% of the drawings because 29.6% were doubles and 1.6% were triples. The results of the Midday drawing are only 62% for the last year.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7325 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 1:37 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Numberloco on October 28, 2015

Hey Allen,

I was using Amber's example of playing offshore which would give her $900 for a straight win. You are correct though. The normal payout from the state is $500.

Amber used the Florida evening drawing and this system produced 242 winners in the last 365 drawings. $900 per win is $217,800, but the cost at $660 per drawing is $240,900 and a loss of $23,100. playing the other 340 combos is still a $13,400 loss.

United States Member #43456 July 20, 2006 5 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 2:04 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on October 28, 2015

Amber used the Florida evening drawing and this system produced 242 winners in the last 365 drawings. $900 per win is $217,800, but the cost at $660 per drawing is $240,900 and a loss of $23,100. playing the other 340 combos is still a $13,400 loss.

We must be talking about different posts. I was referring to when Amber posting the following:

For some of you who are having a problem understanding this, I'll do just this month of October.

From the 4th of October till today the 27th, equals 48 draws.

48 draws X 900 =43,200, this is how much I would win in 48 draws in an ideal world, if there were no doubles triples and lowest digit number above 4. So below you will see the deductions. The first deduction is COST. Then the next deduction is the doubles that ruin my day, and lastly, it's the combinations with the lowest number above 4.

United States Member #1987 August 5, 2003 8968 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 5:15 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on October 27, 2015

LMAO @ "do the math"!

There are ten 6-way boxes with 5 being the lowest digit; 567-568-569-578-579-589-678-679-689-789 and each of the ten 6-way boxes has six different 3 digit numbers for a total of 60. Statistically these ten 6-way boxes represent 8.3% of all 120 6-way boxes. Added to the 90 3-way boxes and the ten triples, there should be 396 6-way boxes with the lowest digit being 0,1,2,3, or 4 drawn in 600 drawings.

I have no idea what you're writing about. There were 26 combinations during the 600 draws that the lowest digit above 4. I even tallied them up for you month by month. 26 is 4.3% of 600 draws. Why are some of you having so much difficulty understanding this?

Nope, 600 minus 396 is 204 losses and not "188" and the 204 figure is plus or minus standard deviation. Can you show even one state 3 digit game that had a 600 drawing period where 27% were doubles, 72% singles, and 1% triples?

Where are you getting 396 from?

Can you show us all where we canlegallywager 25 cents on a straight pick-3 number and get 900 to 1 odds without moving out of the U.S.?

No I can't because a place like that doesn't exist here. But there is a place offshore that pays 900. I'll just leave it at that.

Maybe the 27% is a little off by a 3 or 4% margin of error in either direction, and that's perfectly ok because I'll still make money, and lots of it. As for the other stats, they are FACT. If you and others don't agree with me, that's fine, But I won't continue debating. I know the numbers I've seen and re-checked many times.

Maybe I'll start a tracking of the money spent and won, with the losses right in the this thread and update the results on a daily basis so everyone can see for themselves. It's really very simple, but some of you want to throw things in that has nothing to do with the facts.

I'll start the make believe betting starting tomorrow for Florida.

amber123, that is the best way to show how the system is going by providing a simulation as if you were actually playing.

United States Member #164727 March 12, 2015 2536 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 9:27 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by LAVERNE MALONEY on October 28, 2015

amber123, that is the best way to show how the system is going by providing a simulation as if you were actually playing.

I did make a mistake on the cost of the doubles. I listed originally as 17,820, when in fact it's actually 112,200 (includes triples). But the good news is that eventually, after about a year or so, the incremental increase of the bets from .25 to 10.00 per number, per draw will leave me with a nice profit every month. It will take patience and some time, but in the end it will be all worth it.

Here are my findings. Mid and eve combined, tally of doubles and triples.

Jan-16

Feb-17

Mar-25

Apr-12

May-16

Jun-22

Jul-17

Aug-17

Sept-17

Oct-11

Total-170 doubles and triples.

Now there is absolutely no speculation about the tally of numbers that are higher than 4, tally of the doubles and triples.

540,000-won (900 X 600=540,000)

-396,000-cost (660 X 600=396,000)

-112,200-lost in doubles and triples (170 X 660=112,200)

- 17,160-lost due to 26 numbers with the lowest digit above 4 (26 X 660=17,160)

= 14,640- net profit for the last 10 months

1,460 net profit a month.

Ok so I was way off, but this only means I'll have to eventually go to the max bet of 10 bucks per number which would cost 6,600 bucks per draw (660 X 10.00 bets), but the payoff would be 14,640 X 10=146,400 net profit in 10 months.

That would come out to 14,640 net profit every month since January.

Of course this will take a year or so to work up to, maybe more than a year, but 14 grand a month even after 3 years to work up to is very nice.

New Mexico United States Member #86099 January 29, 2010 11120 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 11:09 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on October 28, 2015

I did make a mistake on the cost of the doubles. I listed originally as 17,820, when in fact it's actually 112,200 (includes triples). But the good news is that eventually, after about a year or so, the incremental increase of the bets from .25 to 10.00 per number, per draw will leave me with a nice profit every month. It will take patience and some time, but in the end it will be all worth it.

Here are my findings. Mid and eve combined, tally of doubles and triples.

Jan-16

Feb-17

Mar-25

Apr-12

May-16

Jun-22

Jul-17

Aug-17

Sept-17

Oct-11

Total-170 doubles and triples.

Now there is absolutely no speculation about the tally of numbers that are higher than 4, tally of the doubles and triples.

540,000-won (900 X 600=540,000)

-396,000-cost (660 X 600=396,000)

-112,200-lost in doubles and triples (170 X 660=112,200)

- 17,160-lost due to 26 numbers with the lowest digit above 4 (26 X 660=17,160)

= 14,640- net profit for the last 10 months

1,460 net profit a month.

Ok so I was way off, but this only means I'll have to eventually go to the max bet of 10 bucks per number which would cost 6,600 bucks per draw (660 X 10.00 bets), but the payoff would be 14,640 X 10=146,400 net profit in 10 months.

That would come out to 14,640 net profit every month since January.

Of course this will take a year or so to work up to, maybe more than a year, but 14 grand a month even after 3 years to work up to is very nice.

backwoods ga United States Member #155844 May 31, 2014 1896 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 11:26 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on October 28, 2015

I did make a mistake on the cost of the doubles. I listed originally as 17,820, when in fact it's actually 112,200 (includes triples). But the good news is that eventually, after about a year or so, the incremental increase of the bets from .25 to 10.00 per number, per draw will leave me with a nice profit every month. It will take patience and some time, but in the end it will be all worth it.

Here are my findings. Mid and eve combined, tally of doubles and triples.

Jan-16

Feb-17

Mar-25

Apr-12

May-16

Jun-22

Jul-17

Aug-17

Sept-17

Oct-11

Total-170 doubles and triples.

Now there is absolutely no speculation about the tally of numbers that are higher than 4, tally of the doubles and triples.

540,000-won (900 X 600=540,000)

-396,000-cost (660 X 600=396,000)

-112,200-lost in doubles and triples (170 X 660=112,200)

- 17,160-lost due to 26 numbers with the lowest digit above 4 (26 X 660=17,160)

= 14,640- net profit for the last 10 months

1,460 net profit a month.

Ok so I was way off, but this only means I'll have to eventually go to the max bet of 10 bucks per number which would cost 6,600 bucks per draw (660 X 10.00 bets), but the payoff would be 14,640 X 10=146,400 net profit in 10 months.

That would come out to 14,640 net profit every month since January.

Of course this will take a year or so to work up to, maybe more than a year, but 14 grand a month even after 3 years to work up to is very nice.

amber123 do your thing.... dont worry bout the haters

United States Member #164727 March 12, 2015 2536 Posts Offline

Posted: October 28, 2015, 11:48 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on October 28, 2015

After a rough night and a few now embarrassing posts, I took another look at this and I think it is fairly simple to analyze.

There are only two factors to look at, 1 the ratio of the potential win$ to the Cost per game and the win percentage for the 110.

So looking at the box only at $110.00 per game wins $160.00. 110/160=.6875 or 68.75% = breaking even.

So at 65.26% for the Florida 3 Combined over the last 1353 games is 3.5% less than break even.

So looking at the box only at $110.00 per game wins $160.00.

The actual pay is $150.00 for a box win.

Doing the math for the box version in Florida results in small profit every month since January till now.

90,000 won (150 X 600 draws)

-66,000 cost (110 X 600 draws)

-18,700 loss due to doubles and triples, 170 total (110 X 170= 18,700)

-2,860 loss due to lowest digit above 4, 26 total (110 X 26=2,860)

Net profit $2,440 for the whole 10 months.

Monthly profit of 244.00.. this is at 1 dollar bets.

After a few months I would eventually work my way up to 2 dollar bets, then 3.00 bets..etc...all the way to the max which would yield about 2,440 bucks a month in net profit.

I think I'll start out this way, then over the years I will switch to straight betting and the ultimate goal of 14 grand a month.