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• Tialuvslotto

  

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  This is a systems forum ..It seems to me that this is a loss, no one is working on making the system better. 

  What a waste of talent here.. My math 2+2 =4  Who cares. Amber12 May u WIN BIG..Good Luck

  I agree Bob!  The problem is too many combinations.

  Adobea suggested a reduction using pairs -- I wonder if anyone tested it out?

  Also, this system wins quite frequently, with short runs of losers.  Maybe a progressive wagering scheme would make it profitable?

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• TasBob

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by Tialuvslotto on Oct 31, 2015

  I agree Bob!  The problem is too many combinations.

  Adobea suggested a reduction using pairs -- I wonder if anyone tested it out?

  Also, this system wins quite frequently, with short runs of losers.  Maybe a progressive wagering scheme would make it profitable?

  I would think you have to run 2 systems . use the zero to 4 system with like say with my master chart 63 plays, and get 

  your low numbers from there..I think if you want to win with this system ,It would take 2 systems working together..

  Or some very good tracking system, That could project when to play a certain digits.

   Use  filters and a decision support rating technique to reduce  numbers down to  0 1  2  3 or 4 

  Don't ask me how to do that ..I'v been trying to find a programmer to help no luck.I know it would be 

  one great tool..

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• sheebamarie32

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by TasBob on Oct 31, 2015

  I would think you have to run 2 systems . use the zero to 4 system with like say with my master chart 63 plays, and get 

  your low numbers from there..I think if you want to win with this system ,It would take 2 systems working together..

  Or some very good tracking system, That could project when to play a certain digits.

   Use  filters and a decision support rating technique to reduce  numbers down to  0 1  2  3 or 4 

  Don't ask me how to do that ..I'v been trying to find a programmer to help no luck.I know it would be 

  one great tool..

  What does your master chart look like and how do you use it?
• Tialuvslotto

  

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  Another possibility would be in reducing the number of straights.  You don't need to play all 6 variations to win.  For example, the longest-out digit at each position only hits about 10% of the time, and it can stay out for many weeks.  So 90% of the time you could eliminate that digit at each position and still be correct.

  Also, the same straight order (LMH, LHM, MLH, MHL, HLM, HML) only repeats about 10% of the time, so you can eliminate some combinations that way.

  "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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• TasBob

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by sheebamarie32 on Oct 31, 2015

  What does your master chart look like and how do you use it?

  A master chart is a block of numbers for each draw..A starting point. In a Master Chart what you  try to do is 

  have the Winning number in it , filter it down to a few numbers to play..I'm in Florida Let me give you Mid Day Numbers

  Block of numbers or call it Master Chart for Mid Draw

  123 127 120 143 147 140 153 157 150 163 167 160
  183 187 180 193 197 190 243 247 240 253 257 250
  263 267 260 283 287 280 293 297 290 453 457 450
  463 467 460 483 487 480 493 497 490 563 567 560
  583 587 580 593 597 590 683 687 680 693 697 690
  893 897 890

  Then use amber12  Zero system to get your Plays for Mid

  This is just an Idea to look into ..I'm sure there's better Ways..

  On this thread We want to stick to zero system,

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• amber123

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  Quote: Originally posted by Tialuvslotto on Oct 31, 2015

  Lets simplify this:

  You play one draw.  A double is drawn -- you lose.

   

  With "Amber math"

  You play 1 draw = win $900

  Deduct loss from double = -$660

  You still win! 900-660=$240.

   

  With "Reality Math"

  You play 1 draw, cost = -$660

  Your winnings = $0

  Net result -660+0=-660

  Sorry to rain on your parade.

  True If I only played ONE draw. But The test involves 600 draws. 

   You haven't rained on my parade because using your logic, I can easily say, I WON one draw. 

   900

  -660

  =340-Net profit.

   

  Nice try !. lol
• amber123

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  Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Oct 31, 2015

  True If I only played ONE draw. But The test involves 600 draws. 

   You haven't rained on my parade because using your logic, I can easily say, I WON one draw. 

   900

  -660

  =340-Net profit.

   

  Nice try !. lol

  Sorry, I meant $240.00 net profit. I just woke up.
• amber123

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  Quote: Originally posted by Tialuvslotto on Oct 31, 2015

  Lets simplify this:

  You play one draw.  A double is drawn -- you lose.

   

  With "Amber math"

  You play 1 draw = win $900

  Deduct loss from double = -$660

  You still win! 900-660=$240.

   

  With "Reality Math"

  You play 1 draw, cost = -$660

  Your winnings = $0

  Net result -660+0=-660

  Sorry to rain on your parade.

  This is my last example, and I'm moving on.

  Let's use your "REALITY MATH".

  396,000=COST (660 X 600)

  129,360= LOST, due to doubles, triples, lowest numbers above 4 (196 X 660)

  The total after adding those two above is 396,000 + 129,360=525,360

   

  So my cost and losses in total is $525,360.00

    540,000

  - 525,360

  =  14,640-net profit.

  
• amber123

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  HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND !!!!!

  Looks like I screwed myself out of money that was not necessary. 

  Why am I deducting 196 losses for doubles, triples and lowest numbers above 4? Those three are ALREADY part of the losses. I'm doubling up on the losses for no reason. I AM MAKING A BIG PROFIT AT THE END OF 10 MONTHS.

  600 draws X 660 cost = $396,000 Whether a double, triple or a low number above 4 shows, it's a loss, NOT ALL THREE....DUH!!!!lol

   

  Let's look at just one draw to understand what I'm saying here.

  If I play today's mid draw, I will spend $660.00. If EITHER a double, triple or the lowest number above 4 is drawn, I lose $660.00, why would I FURTHER penalize myself for a double, triple and a lowest number above 4?...DUH!  So before I was penalizing myself for the cost of 660, PLUS another 660 for a double, triple, OR a lowest number above 4 showed up in a draw.

   

  Let's say today's Florida midday draw was 112. I lost $660.00...THAT's IT!!!

  I was basically adding extra costs when there were none.

   

  So the TOTAL cost for 600 draws is $396,000.00 PERIOD !

  Net profit is $144,000.00

   

   

  AGAIN, IF I PLAYED 660 COMBINATIONS AT 1 DOLLAR EACH COMBINATION IN TODAY'S MID, AND A DOUBLE FELL(112), THEN I ONLY LOSE 660, THAT IS ALL. NOT 660 FOR THE COST, AND ANOTHER 660 BECAUSE IT WAS A DOUBLE. DUH!!!!!!!, WHAT WAS I THINKING?

   

   

   

  396,000- COST

  540,000- WON

   

  NET PROFIT= $144,000.00 IN 10 MONTHS !

           

   

  Florida October 4th, to the 30th Actual winning numbers mid and eve. When I win, I win $240.00 profit in that draw. When I lose because of a double, triple, or lowest number above 4, then I lose $660.00 in that draw.

  4-534-667------+240/-660-----won/double=loss

  5-485-793------+240/+240----won/won

  6-684-730------+240/+240-----won/won

  7-571-704------+240/+240-----won/won

  8-123-073------+240/+240------won/won

  9-405-691------+240/+240------won/won

  10-755-142-----660/+240------double=loss/won

  11-930-880-----+240/-660------won/double=loss

  12-821-019------+240/+240----won/won

  13-341-967------+240/-660-----won/lowest number above 4=loss

  14-767-124--------660/+240----double=loss/won

  15-154-039-------+240/+240-----won/won

  16-480-737-------+240/-660-----won/double=loss

  17-992-145--------660/+240-----double=loss/won

  18-317-192--------+240/+240----won/won

  19-103-128--------+240/+240----won/won

  20-840-982--------+240/+240----won/won

  21-029-198--------+240/+240-----won/won

  22-479-400--------+240/-660------won/double=loss

  23-389-641--------+240/+240-----won/won

  24-302-776--------+240/-660------won/double=loss

  25-604-781--------+240/+240------won/won

  26-489-259--------+240/+240------won/won

  27-161-606---------660/-660-------doubles=loss/double=loss

  28-406-737--------+240/-660------won/double=loss

  29-613-451--------+240/+240------won/won

  30-022-573---------660/+240-------double=loss/won

   

  So, let's tally the wins and losses.

  wins-41 (41 X240=$9,840)

  Losses-13 (13 X 660=$8,580)

   

    9,840-wins

   -8,580-losses

  =$1,260.00 net profit.

  So you see, when you lose due to a double, triple, or a lowest number above 4, that is part of the cost ($660.00). All other times you are making 240 dollars profit.
• amber123

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  I will track the next 30 days in Fla., so you can see this work day by day.

  For today's midday draw in Florida, I will spend $660.00 for straight, or $110 for boxed version.

  Oct 31- ???
• TasBob

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Oct 31, 2015

  I will track the next 30 days in Fla., so you can see this work day by day.

  For today's midday draw in Florida, I will spend $660.00 for straight, or $110 for boxed version.

  Oct 31- ???

  I use zero system as a filter  for one of my systems  I think 0 will skip mid  So  digits 1  2  6  and 7 (56 plays) where the keys

  Filter  to  25 plays posted on Florida Thread . I think the block of 92 numbers is a good starting point. I use

  large blocks of number a lot.   My main thing is to have winning number in the main block  NO Doubles in my plays

   Good Luck   

  PS I Play Small $$$$$$$$$

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• amber123

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  Well, I just did the numbers from jan till now and Stack47 and  tialuvslotto, you were right. My apologies. I would have lost 34 grand.

  But the good news is that I've decided to integrate this system with Yunier's back pairs, and filter the 110 boxed combos down. 

  By only betting on straight numbers that match Yunier's back pairs, can this work.

  I was told to play these back pairs for Florida starting Oct. 1 eve only for five or six eve draws. Let's go with six draws.

  X34 
  X63 
  X85 
  X53 
  X61 
  X16 
  X05 
  X57 
  X21 
  X40 
  X26 
  X15 
  X86 
  X29 

   

  Out of the 110 combinations, these match the back pairs.

  021,029,057,061,063,085,086

  105,129,134,140,153,157,163

  205,215,216,234,240,257,261,263,285,286

  305,316, 361,329,340,357,385,386

  405,416,429,457,461,485,486

  516,526,529,534,561,563

  629,634

  726,729,734

  815,816,829,834,861

  915,916,934,953,961,963

   

   

  total-61 combinations for 6 eve draws.

  Test starting Oct. 1 Eve
• amber123

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  Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Oct 31, 2015

  Well, I just did the numbers from jan till now and Stack47 and  tialuvslotto, you were right. My apologies. I would have lost 34 grand.

  But the good news is that I've decided to integrate this system with Yunier's back pairs, and filter the 110 boxed combos down. 

  By only betting on straight numbers that match Yunier's back pairs, can this work.

  I was told to play these back pairs for Florida starting Oct. 1 eve only for five or six eve draws. Let's go with six draws.

  X34 
  X63 
  X85 
  X53 
  X61 
  X16 
  X05 
  X57 
  X21 
  X40 
  X26 
  X15 
  X86 
  X29 

   

  Out of the 110 combinations, these match the back pairs.

  021,029,057,061,063,085,086

  105,129,134,140,153,157,163

  205,215,216,234,240,257,261,263,285,286

  305,316, 361,329,340,357,385,386

  405,416,429,457,461,485,486

  516,526,529,534,561,563

  629,634

  726,729,734

  815,816,829,834,861

  915,916,934,953,961,963

   

   

  total-61 combinations for 6 eve draws.

  Test starting Oct. 1 Eve

  Starting Nov. 1 eve. lol
• Tialuvslotto

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Oct 31, 2015

  Well, I just did the numbers from jan till now and Stack47 and  tialuvslotto, you were right. My apologies. I would have lost 34 grand.

  But the good news is that I've decided to integrate this system with Yunier's back pairs, and filter the 110 boxed combos down. 

  By only betting on straight numbers that match Yunier's back pairs, can this work.

  I was told to play these back pairs for Florida starting Oct. 1 eve only for five or six eve draws. Let's go with six draws.

  X34 
  X63 
  X85 
  X53 
  X61 
  X16 
  X05 
  X57 
  X21 
  X40 
  X26 
  X15 
  X86 
  X29 

   

  Out of the 110 combinations, these match the back pairs.

  021,029,057,061,063,085,086

  105,129,134,140,153,157,163

  205,215,216,234,240,257,261,263,285,286

  305,316, 361,329,340,357,385,386

  405,416,429,457,461,485,486

  516,526,529,534,561,563

  629,634

  726,729,734

  815,816,829,834,861

  915,916,934,953,961,963

   

   

  total-61 combinations for 6 eve draws.

  Test starting Oct. 1 Eve

  I always believed that this system had potential.  I'm glad to see that you are moving forward with some modifications.  Keep us posted on your progress.

  "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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• Stack47

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Oct 30, 2015

  

   

   540,000-won (900 X 600=540,000)

  -396,000-cost (660 X 600=396,000)

  -112,200-lost in doubles and triples (170 X 660=112,200)

  -  17,160-lost due to 26 numbers with the lowest digit above 4 (26 X 660=17,160)

  = 14,640- net profit for the last 10 months

        1,460 net profit a month.

   

  What part/s of this math is wrong?

  For starters a"win" of $540,000 means zero losses in 600 drawings, but you're acknowledging there were 196 losing drawings. The cost of $396,000 is correct, but it's a one time loss.

  "12,200-lost in doubles and triples (170 X 660=112,200)"

  This is your second mistake because the $396,000 is the only cost. If you're saying the system has a potential to win $540,000 than you must first subtract the cost from the potential winnings ($540,000 - $396,000 = $144,000). Because the 170 doubles and triples and the 26 combos over 4 won nothing, their potential win of $900 must be subtracted from the $144,000 (196 X $900 = $176,400) and ($176,400 - $144,000 = $32,000).

  Whether you figure it by potential wins or real wins, it's still a $32,000 loss.