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The games are tough to solve...no doubt about that...but no matter what you find or how much you find you can always learn a little more...

And there are plenty of people here that can help anyone thats for sure..or a person can just do some reading on here and find all kinds of help..!!!!

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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    The games are tough to solve...no doubt about that...but no matter what you find or how much you find you can always learn a little more...

    And there are plenty of people here that can help anyone thats for sure..or a person can just do some reading on here and find all kinds of help..!!!!

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      Check out what the best pick 3/4 predictors are doing and start from there.

      I tell you what they are doing....Still losing. there are no best pick 3 or pick 4 or any other lottery predictors. It's all negative expectation.
      I Agree!

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        I tell you what they are doing....Still losing. there are no best pick 3 or pick 4 or any other lottery predictors. It's all negative expectation.
        I Agree!

        It seems as if just about everyone in the world has heard about the "negative expectation" of gambling by now.

         

        Everyone has heard the story about "Bumble Bees"not being able to to fly either, at least according to the laws of aerodynamics. 

        Apparently, all retail gamblers think of themselves as some kind of LUCKY Bumble Bee with "special powers"

         

        The original point of this post topic was:

         In spite of all of the negative expectations of the game and it's terrible payouts,

                                                                                        what method would get us closest to "break even"

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                How about a nice game of"Thermonuclear War" .  Related image    Image result for matthew broderick war games movies

           

                                                                                                                                                                   Perhaps the way to win is "NOT to PLAY"                   

           

               

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            So, everyone here agrees right?

            After all these many years, and thousands of post on thousands of Systems, we "got nothing!"

             Nothing here has even gotten close to breakeven, the only thing we can hope for is some sort of game changes in ODDS or bigger pay outs.

             It is disappointing that no one even hinted at a break even System.

             Most of what came out was "Negative Expectation" conversation. 

             

                     Until we can get better payouts or better odds from the State Lotteries, we're dead in the water with "Systems" 

                                                                                                 Bed

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              So, everyone here agrees right?

              After all these many years, and thousands of post on thousands of Systems, we "got nothing!"

               Nothing here has even gotten close to breakeven, the only thing we can hope for is some sort of game changes in ODDS or bigger pay outs.

               It is disappointing that no one even hinted at a break even System.

               Most of what came out was "Negative Expectation" conversation. 

               

                       Until we can get better payouts or better odds from the State Lotteries, we're dead in the water with "Systems" 

                                                                                                   Bed

              Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

              The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

              At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

              The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

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                California

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks3911,7673,84817,283233,366
                Hits1111291011,260
                    Hit Ratio2.81%0.62%0.75%0.58%0.54%
                Winnings$690$1,020$1,990$9,070$117,710
                   Prize Ratio176.47%57.72%51.72%52.48%50.44%

                 

                Colorado

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks2037771,6027,50821,212
                Hits1101144124
                    Hit Ratio0.49%1.29%0.69%0.59%0.58%
                Winnings$330$900$1,230$4,170$12,150
                    Prize Ratio162.56%115.83%76.78%55.54%57.28%

                 

                Minnesota

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks2038091,7688,372112,963
                Hits161451562
                    Hit Ratio0.49%0.74%0.79%0.61%0.50%
                Winnings$290$490$1,560$3,660$55,680
                    Prize Ratio142.86%60.57%88.24%43.72%49.29%

                Indiana

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks3911,7093,73216,855215,774
                Hits4518781,123
                    Hit Ratio1.02%0.29%0.48%0.46%0.52%
                Winnings$410$490$2,260$5,660$112,720
                    Prize Ratio104.86%28.67%60.56%33.58%52.24%

                Georgia

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks3911,5533,28615,814218,904
                Hits6317681,048
                    Hit Ratio1.53%0.19%0.52%0.43%0.48%
                Winnings$490$370$1,550$6,880$105,090
                    Prize Ratio125.32%23.82%47.17%43.51%48.01%

                 

                Louisiana

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks2038431,8488,828114,433
                Hits701644625
                    Hit Ratio3.45%0.00%0.87%0.50%0.55%
                Winnings$530$0$1,680$5,750$67,980
                    Prize Ratio261.08%0.00%90.91%65.13%59.41%

                 

                New Jersey

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks3911,6303,52316,468229,017
                Hits6414801,149
                    Hit Ratio1.53%0.25%0.40%0.49%0.50%
                Winnings$490$660$1,310$7,280$113,240
                    Prize Ratio125.32%40.49%37.18%44.21%49.45%

                 

                North Carolina

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks4331,8063,92517,210143,710
                Hits5172981733
                    Hit Ratio1.15%0.94%0.74%0.47%0.51%
                Winnings$700$1,430$2,660$6,650$65,080
                    Prize Ratio161.66%79.18%67.77%38.64%45.29%

                 

                Tennessee

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks4662,1934,65121,419208,954
                Hits816351541,096
                    Hit Ratio1.72%0.73%0.75%0.72%0.52%
                Winnings$570$1,220$3,270$13,310$108,950
                    Prize Ratio122.32%55.63%70.31%62.14%52.14%

                 

                Washington, D.C.

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks3911,6753,65216,773229,449
                Hits24131031,129
                    Hit Ratio0.51%0.24%0.36%0.61%0.49%
                Winnings$580$490$1,600$8,320$104,530
                    Prize Ratio148.34%29.25%43.81%49.60%45.56%

                 

                West Virginia

                 Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                Pick 3

                Picks1536681,4277,20797,125
                Hits61836452
                    Hit Ratio3.92%0.15%0.56%0.50%0.47%
                Winnings$490$40$570$4,020$48,580
                    Prize Ratio320.26%5.99%39.94%55.78%50.02%

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                "How to Play My Pick-4 System": https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/306450

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                  California

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks3911,7673,84817,283233,366
                  Hits1111291011,260
                      Hit Ratio2.81%0.62%0.75%0.58%0.54%
                  Winnings$690$1,020$1,990$9,070$117,710
                     Prize Ratio176.47%57.72%51.72%52.48%50.44%

                   

                  Colorado

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks2037771,6027,50821,212
                  Hits1101144124
                      Hit Ratio0.49%1.29%0.69%0.59%0.58%
                  Winnings$330$900$1,230$4,170$12,150
                      Prize Ratio162.56%115.83%76.78%55.54%57.28%

                   

                  Minnesota

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks2038091,7688,372112,963
                  Hits161451562
                      Hit Ratio0.49%0.74%0.79%0.61%0.50%
                  Winnings$290$490$1,560$3,660$55,680
                      Prize Ratio142.86%60.57%88.24%43.72%49.29%

                  Indiana

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks3911,7093,73216,855215,774
                  Hits4518781,123
                      Hit Ratio1.02%0.29%0.48%0.46%0.52%
                  Winnings$410$490$2,260$5,660$112,720
                      Prize Ratio104.86%28.67%60.56%33.58%52.24%

                  Georgia

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks3911,5533,28615,814218,904
                  Hits6317681,048
                      Hit Ratio1.53%0.19%0.52%0.43%0.48%
                  Winnings$490$370$1,550$6,880$105,090
                      Prize Ratio125.32%23.82%47.17%43.51%48.01%

                   

                  Louisiana

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks2038431,8488,828114,433
                  Hits701644625
                      Hit Ratio3.45%0.00%0.87%0.50%0.55%
                  Winnings$530$0$1,680$5,750$67,980
                      Prize Ratio261.08%0.00%90.91%65.13%59.41%

                   

                  New Jersey

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks3911,6303,52316,468229,017
                  Hits6414801,149
                      Hit Ratio1.53%0.25%0.40%0.49%0.50%
                  Winnings$490$660$1,310$7,280$113,240
                      Prize Ratio125.32%40.49%37.18%44.21%49.45%

                   

                  North Carolina

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks4331,8063,92517,210143,710
                  Hits5172981733
                      Hit Ratio1.15%0.94%0.74%0.47%0.51%
                  Winnings$700$1,430$2,660$6,650$65,080
                      Prize Ratio161.66%79.18%67.77%38.64%45.29%

                   

                  Tennessee

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks4662,1934,65121,419208,954
                  Hits816351541,096
                      Hit Ratio1.72%0.73%0.75%0.72%0.52%
                  Winnings$570$1,220$3,270$13,310$108,950
                      Prize Ratio122.32%55.63%70.31%62.14%52.14%

                   

                  Washington, D.C.

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks3911,6753,65216,773229,449
                  Hits24131031,129
                      Hit Ratio0.51%0.24%0.36%0.61%0.49%
                  Winnings$580$490$1,600$8,320$104,530
                      Prize Ratio148.34%29.25%43.81%49.60%45.56%

                   

                  West Virginia

                   Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 

                  Pick 3

                  Picks1536681,4277,20797,125
                  Hits61836452
                      Hit Ratio3.92%0.15%0.56%0.50%0.47%
                  Winnings$490$40$570$4,020$48,580
                      Prize Ratio320.26%5.99%39.94%55.78%50.02%

                  MJ, are those your playing statistics. If so, looks like in the long run you are about at the odds overall, 50% payback. Good month so far in March though!

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                    MJ, are those your playing statistics. If so, looks like in the long run you are about at the odds overall, 50% payback. Good month so far in March though!

                    Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

                    As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

                    Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

                     ~Michael

                    "Don't be a Dummy, Make 'Dat Money"

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                    "How to Play My Pick-4 System": https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/306450

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                      Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

                      The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

                      At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

                      The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

                      The prevailing thought is ' back-testing ' on prior data, the hint of 'forward testing' get a push back like crazy!

                      I don't subscribe to prediction based on historical data if the premise of the game is RANDOM. I suggest you read 'Super Crunches' by IAN AYERS  for ideal on forward-testing  by just simulation(you need a concept for the simulation).

                      Lets take FL , simulate each draw for the next random pool(0 thru 9)

                      Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4
                      MiddayEveningMiddayEvening
                      Mon, Mar 7, 20167-9-02-4-92-9-1-40-6-5-8
                      Sun, Mar 6, 20168-0-54-0-96-7-1-08-8-8-5
                      Sat, Mar 5, 20160-6-37-6-15-0-5-00-1-2-4
                      Fri, Mar 4, 20160-1-48-6-94-8-6-24-6-0-7
                      Thu, Mar 3, 20162-5-87-3-96-4-2-45-0-4-8
                      Wed, Mar 2, 20168-7-49-1-72-0-5-93-8-4-4
                      Tue, Mar 1, 20168-3-85-3-37-7-1-64-8-0-7
                      Mon, Feb 29, 20160-5-24-4-31-5-3-68-4-5-2
                      Sun, Feb 28, 20162-4-44-5-14-1-2-57-4-4-3
                      Sat, Feb 27, 20160-1-35-5-63-5-6-54-0-6-9

                      Draw             next pool(next draws)

                      013             6728  034591>> hits 874-258-805-603 ( observe digits 6728 projection)

                      244             3789 150462 >hits 838-874-790

                      052            8630 572941> hit 838-874-063-014-805

                       IDEAL/Assumption> A parameter /identifier will randomize/shuffle the pool(the pool is your data) for the next event/s.

                      NB:  The intent of this comment is throw 'a bone' , not to explain the 'next pool' process.

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                        Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

                        As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

                        Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

                         ~Michael

                        Very cool. thanks for the explanation.

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                          Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

                          The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

                          At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

                          The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

                          Read your comments . . .

                          My 2 cents worth

                          1 - losing comes with playing, its part of any system.

                          2 - Money management 80 for box win, you have 80 draws. A win before 80 draws is good.

                          3 - I think people here track many of the same filters

                          4 - how you did you get numbers for the current draw

                               Even/Odd filter, total filter, No Carryover, Carryover etc.

                          5 - Tracking and watching for patterns that repeat

                          Luck be with you!!!

                          NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.

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                            Read your comments . . .

                            My 2 cents worth

                            1 - losing comes with playing, its part of any system.

                            2 - Money management 80 for box win, you have 80 draws. A win before 80 draws is good.

                            3 - I think people here track many of the same filters

                            4 - how you did you get numbers for the current draw

                                 Even/Odd filter, total filter, No Carryover, Carryover etc.

                            5 - Tracking and watching for patterns that repeat

                            Right I would agree with some of that. I think the issue dibs was looking at was in regards to point 5 of yours. Looking for patterns that repeat assumes the draws are not random. Random draws do not make predictable patterns.

                            If you are convinced the draws are not random, then breaking the code gets your rich. telling anyone else about it gets the code changed and you have to start all over. My concern with the effort is that if there is a code, I would expect it to be so complicated that it would take many more than a 100s or 1000s or more draws to get enough data to actually break it. If you can get a hold of the actual software used to do the draws, then you could run millions of draws and do the analysis. For ball generated draws I don't think there could be a code. But who knows?

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                              Posted: March 8, 2016, 1:05 pm - IP Logged

                              Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

                              As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

                              Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

                               ~Michael

                              Mjwin$mith’s Magic Wheel

                              Ohio (Midday)

                              Tuesday, March 08, 2016

                               

                              Bets ($)

                              (6)

                              (5)

                              (4)

                              (3)

                              (2)

                              (1)

                               

                              ABC

                              ACB

                              CBA

                              CAB

                              BCA

                              BAC

                              Table 3

                              897

                              879

                              798

                              789

                              978

                              987

                              On Line

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              $1,800.00

                              0.00

                              OH

                              978

                              987

                              879

                              897

                              789

                              798

                              In State

                              $3,000.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                              0.00

                               

                              Prediction

                              State

                              Winning No

                              Day / Eve

                              Prize Amount*

                              9-7-8

                              OH

                              9-7-8

                              Day

                              $3,000.00

                               

                               

                              mjwinsmithOhioPick 3 Midday6-Way Box7-9-89-7-8$40
                              mjwinsmithOhioPick 3 Midday6-Way Box8-9-79-7-8$40
                              mjwinsmithOhioPick 3 Midday6-Way Box8-7-99-7-8$40
                              mjwinsmithOhioPick 3 Midday6-Way Box8-7-99-7-8$40
                              mjwinsmithOhioPick 3 Midday6-Way Box7-9-89-7-8$40

                              "Don't be a Dummy, Make 'Dat Money"

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