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"Some state lotteries have over $1 billion in annual sales and you believe they care what you call their processes. ROFL

You (or nobody else) have offered an explanation of how Florida or any other state's testing prevents any of the 1000 three digits combos from being drawn. It's really simple; if you don't like the testing, don't play."

 

Why does this part of your post, gives me the impression, you are a Tn Lottery Employee?

From FL Lottery

(e) For CASH 3?, five test draws will be conducted. If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws, three additional test draws will be conducted. If the same digit is selected two additional times, an alternative ball set shall be used. 

Do you know the probability of this happening?

Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not.

Next it's 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 is 1/1000 or 0.1% since 7 7 7 can only happen one way and there are 999 other ways it does not. The same as all Cash 3 Combos.

This has only happen 54 times in all draws mid and eve, since 5/19/08. why would anyone bother with such minuscule data, There has to be a motive, for so much concern with such a small stat.

One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not.

This has only happen 3 times during same time span.

Jadelottery was kind enough to supply the data.

I'm not a lottery employee, but these pre-drawing test either have an effect on the official drawing or they don't; which is it?

"If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws," and "Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not."

Wow!!!

I'm assuming "same digit" means exactly that and when one of the 10 digits is selected three times in five draws, more tests are conducted. The odds of seven or any other digit being drawn are 10 to 1, where did you come up with the other 90 digits?

Ask Jadelottery what are the odds of a 7 appearing in fifth drawing, when a 7 was drawn in the first, a 5 drawn in the second, 7 in the third, and 6 in the fourth? What are the odds against the 5 and the 6?

"One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not."

The odds any of the 10 digits being drawn are 1 in 10 in all five drawings and the same as the odds against one of the 9 digits not drawn in the first drawings.

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    I'm not a lottery employee, but these pre-drawing test either have an effect on the official drawing or they don't; which is it?

    "If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws," and "Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not."

    Wow!!!

    I'm assuming "same digit" means exactly that and when one of the 10 digits is selected three times in five draws, more tests are conducted. The odds of seven or any other digit being drawn are 10 to 1, where did you come up with the other 90 digits?

    Ask Jadelottery what are the odds of a 7 appearing in fifth drawing, when a 7 was drawn in the first, a 5 drawn in the second, 7 in the third, and 6 in the fourth? What are the odds against the 5 and the 6?

    "One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not."

    The odds any of the 10 digits being drawn are 1 in 10 in all five drawings and the same as the odds against one of the 9 digits not drawn in the first drawings.

    "If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws," and "Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not."

    Wow!!!

    I'm assuming "same digit" means exactly that and when one of the 10 digits is selected three times in five draws, more tests are conducted. The odds of seven or any other digit being drawn are 10 to 1, where did you come up with the other 90 digits?

     

    Really? Are you telling me you didn't understand what he wrote? He wasn't referring to pairs, he is telling you what the odds are for another 7 to show after a 7 has already appeared, that's why he wrote 7 7. Crazy

    You seem to lack depth. You have horse blinders on so you can only look forward, and side to side not an option. You compartmentalize data without allowing the possible ways your brain can analyze that data, again, out of the box.

     

     

     

    "One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not."

    The odds any of the 10 digits being drawn are 1 in 10 in all five drawings and the same as the odds against one of the 9 digits not drawn in the first drawings.

    Even though every draw is independent from the other, patterns can be seen by the trained eye which you also lack based on this experience alone. Even though they are independent, and you're somewhat rational, somewhat intelligent, you should immediately notice that every time a number consecutively shows in the same position, it's tendency, strictly by nature's own rules, dictates that the same number being less likely to show in the following draws. Everything in the universe wants to balance itself out, correct itself.

    That's why planets and stars are round. 

    Your thinking is rigid.

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      If you played Craps you would know the shooter has to pick two dice out of five or six. Roulette dealers randomly spins the ball clock wise or counter clock wise and that's after wheels are routinely checked for balance. Eight decks of cards are changed on Blackjack tables and decks are changed at least once a shift on other card games.

      If you complain about the casino process, what do you think they will tell you?

       

       

       

      If you played Craps you would know the shooter has to pick two dice out of five or six.

      What a horrible analogy you wrote above. Every time you respond to these issues, you make a bigger fool of yourself.

      The shooter picks 2 dice out of five or six. Well that's fine, but the dealer doesn't say to the shooter, the first 5 rolls won't count, we must make sure those dice aren't rigged..., okay, now you can roll the dice for the official result...Hit With Stick....Oh wait, after you finish throwing the dice in the official roll, then you must throw the dice another five times after to make sure the dice weren't doctored during this round.  Bash

      REALLY????...Your analogy sucks. Stop digging at the bottom of the barrel because you're going to make a hole, and there won't be anything left to dig.

       

       

      Roulette dealers randomly spins the ball clock wise or counter clock wise and that's after wheels are routinely checked for balance.

      Another moronic comment. Again, the dealer doesn't test-spin the wheel 5 times before and after an official spin. You say... what would the casino say if people complained, well I guarantee you not one person who show up If they pulled that crap. I urge you to go back on your meds.Smash

       

       

       

       

      Eight decks of cards are changed on Blackjack tables and decks are changed at least once a shift on other card games.

      Do you really want me to embarrass you again? Okay folks, ready?....Oh wait, we first have to deal the cards to all of you 6 players at this table, but they won't count because this is a pre test to make sure there aren't 5 aces in the deck, and then we'll play for real. Also, after this round, we'll have to play another 5 MOCK games, why?...oh...because we're dumb. Crazy....The game would take 4 hours to finish...really??????????????????

       

      I guarantee you If they pulled this crap, they would be out of business faster than you can say "I'm an idiot". Puke

      "What a horrible analogy you wrote above."

      It was an explanation of the measures casinos use to create "random" outcomes, but apparently you don't understand casino or lottery process because you think it's an "analogy". Why do you think a Craps dealer offers 5 dice to the shooter?

      Why do you think some Blackjack tables use 8 decks?

      "Well that's fine, but the dealer doesn't say to the shooter, the first 5 rolls won't count, we must make sure those dice aren't rigged.."

      Show me where I said any of that goofy nonsense.

      "Another moronic comment. Again, the dealer doesn't test-spin the wheel 5 times before and after an official spin"

      Watch any Roulette dealer and you'll see they change the direction of the ball after a few outcomes (if you're actually allowed in a casino). And again show where I said anything about casino game outcomes.

      "I guarantee you If they pulled this crap"

      It's crap you're making up because you can't show where I said anything about how casinos test their equipment. I know it's very small print, but most lotteries explain on the back of the tickets something like "by signing the ticket, players are agreeing to the LOTTERY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS. Your constant whining about the Florida Lottery processes is nauseating. Are there really LP members who think you're being forced to play Florida Lottery games?

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        "If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws," and "Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not."

        Wow!!!

        I'm assuming "same digit" means exactly that and when one of the 10 digits is selected three times in five draws, more tests are conducted. The odds of seven or any other digit being drawn are 10 to 1, where did you come up with the other 90 digits?

         

        Really? Are you telling me you didn't understand what he wrote? He wasn't referring to pairs, he is telling you what the odds are for another 7 to show after a 7 has already appeared, that's why he wrote 7 7. Crazy

        You seem to lack depth. You have horse blinders on so you can only look forward, and side to side not an option. You compartmentalize data without allowing the possible ways your brain can analyze that data, again, out of the box.

         

         

         

        "One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not."

        The odds any of the 10 digits being drawn are 1 in 10 in all five drawings and the same as the odds against one of the 9 digits not drawn in the first drawings.

        Even though every draw is independent from the other, patterns can be seen by the trained eye which you also lack based on this experience alone. Even though they are independent, and you're somewhat rational, somewhat intelligent, you should immediately notice that every time a number consecutively shows in the same position, it's tendency, strictly by nature's own rules, dictates that the same number being less likely to show in the following draws. Everything in the universe wants to balance itself out, correct itself.

        That's why planets and stars are round. 

        Your thinking is rigid.

        "Really? Are you telling me you didn't understand what he wrote?"

        I quoted the Florida rules "If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws,". Which part of "the same digit" are you confusing with pairs?

        In Carbob's example, the same digit 7 was drawn multiple times. They put 10 numbered balls into a container, and conduct five test drawings and do the same thing with the other two containers with two other sets of 10 numbered balls.

        "he is telling you what the odds are for another 7 to show after a 7 has already appeared, that's why he wrote 7 7"

        I'd rather hear Carbob explain it because you usually lie about what others say.

        "patterns can be seen by the trained eye "

        LOL ROFL

        Even if Florida published their testing results, they won't payoff on those outcomes. Oh and if your "trained eye" is seeing patterns, how does the unknown test results effect your patterns?

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          "it's tendency, strictly by nature's own rules, dictates that the same number being less likely to show in the following draws. "

          Aside from the idea that there's no reasonable basis to think things work that way, the evidence from past drawings makes it incredibly obvious that it doesn't work that way.

          "Everything in the universe wants to balance itself out, correct itself."

          I'm willing to consider the possibility that there's some force, cause, whatever you want to call it, that actually makes things balance out on a universal scale, but in case you didn't know, it's a very big universe. It's been around for about 14 billion years and it's not going to change for at least a trillion years by conservative estimates. The idea that anything that causes the universe to balance out would result in the numbers of any particular lottery game balancing out even over a lifetime is so utterly ridiculous the folks at Guinness should consider listing it.

          "That's why planets and stars are round."

          If you weren't serious that would be some truly excellent humor, but since you are serious it's just an excellent display of ignorance. I don't know if it's an ignorance of the many shapes that are symmetrical and could exist if planetary shape was a function of this imagined balance, ignorance of the very straightforward process by which stars and planets form, or your ignorance about the actual shape of planets being only somewhat round and therefore not actually balanced, but it's a thought that could only result from ignorance.

          "Your thinking is rigid."

          Thinking is always less flexible when it's constrained by reality.

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            I'm not a lottery employee, but these pre-drawing test either have an effect on the official drawing or they don't; which is it?

            "If the same digit is selected three times during the five draws," and "Let's say 7 happens, then the probability it will repeat is 1/100 or 1% since there is only one way the 7 can repeat as 7 7; there are 99 other ways it does not."

            Wow!!!

            I'm assuming "same digit" means exactly that and when one of the 10 digits is selected three times in five draws, more tests are conducted. The odds of seven or any other digit being drawn are 10 to 1, where did you come up with the other 90 digits?

            Ask Jadelottery what are the odds of a 7 appearing in fifth drawing, when a 7 was drawn in the first, a 5 drawn in the second, 7 in the third, and 6 in the fourth? What are the odds against the 5 and the 6?

            "One more it's 7 7 7, then the probability it will be 7 7 7 7 is 1/10000 or 0.01% since 7 7 7 7 can happen one way and there are 9999 other ways it does not."

            The odds any of the 10 digits being drawn are 1 in 10 in all five drawings and the same as the odds against one of the 9 digits not drawn in the first drawings.

            What if the same digit is nothing, but a disguise? What if the 5 draws were 25189? What is the probability of one of those digits, returning in the real draw. Do they have time to check how many tickets were sold using those digits. Who is to say, they only have 5 pre-draws?

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              What if the same digit is nothing, but a disguise? What if the 5 draws were 25189? What is the probability of one of those digits, returning in the real draw. Do they have time to check how many tickets were sold using those digits. Who is to say, they only have 5 pre-draws?

              Do you not find it strange that Texas has the same lottery contractor as Florida and they publish the pre-draws and Florida doesn't? That is my biggest concern, they are hiding something. Forget the BS about an auditor. They could have 10 pre-draws and we would never know, unless they were published.

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                "What a horrible analogy you wrote above."

                It was an explanation of the measures casinos use to create "random" outcomes, but apparently you don't understand casino or lottery process because you think it's an "analogy". Why do you think a Craps dealer offers 5 dice to the shooter?

                Why do you think some Blackjack tables use 8 decks?

                "Well that's fine, but the dealer doesn't say to the shooter, the first 5 rolls won't count, we must make sure those dice aren't rigged.."

                Show me where I said any of that goofy nonsense.

                "Another moronic comment. Again, the dealer doesn't test-spin the wheel 5 times before and after an official spin"

                Watch any Roulette dealer and you'll see they change the direction of the ball after a few outcomes (if you're actually allowed in a casino). And again show where I said anything about casino game outcomes.

                "I guarantee you If they pulled this crap"

                It's crap you're making up because you can't show where I said anything about how casinos test their equipment. I know it's very small print, but most lotteries explain on the back of the tickets something like "by signing the ticket, players are agreeing to the LOTTERY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS. Your constant whining about the Florida Lottery processes is nauseating. Are there really LP members who think you're being forced to play Florida Lottery games?

                You really do have a comprehension issue. No matter what I write in response gets twisted around because you have NOTHING of value to defend what I write. It's pointless to continue with a lame brain like you.

                Only a moron like you would continue betting money in a Casino If they threw dice five times and it didn't count. Either you're a moron, or a troll. You don't get it, and never will.

                A twelve year old could understand this.

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                  "it's tendency, strictly by nature's own rules, dictates that the same number being less likely to show in the following draws. "

                  Aside from the idea that there's no reasonable basis to think things work that way, the evidence from past drawings makes it incredibly obvious that it doesn't work that way.

                  "Everything in the universe wants to balance itself out, correct itself."

                  I'm willing to consider the possibility that there's some force, cause, whatever you want to call it, that actually makes things balance out on a universal scale, but in case you didn't know, it's a very big universe. It's been around for about 14 billion years and it's not going to change for at least a trillion years by conservative estimates. The idea that anything that causes the universe to balance out would result in the numbers of any particular lottery game balancing out even over a lifetime is so utterly ridiculous the folks at Guinness should consider listing it.

                  "That's why planets and stars are round."

                  If you weren't serious that would be some truly excellent humor, but since you are serious it's just an excellent display of ignorance. I don't know if it's an ignorance of the many shapes that are symmetrical and could exist if planetary shape was a function of this imagined balance, ignorance of the very straightforward process by which stars and planets form, or your ignorance about the actual shape of planets being only somewhat round and therefore not actually balanced, but it's a thought that could only result from ignorance.

                  "Your thinking is rigid."

                  Thinking is always less flexible when it's constrained by reality.

                  It's obvious that you and stack would make a great couple sharing the same padded room.

                  If you really believe it's natural for the number 7 to repeat 50 times in a row, then you need extra padding.

                   

                  As far as your pathetic understanding of science, liquids in space will immediately form a circle. Numbers drawn in a stand alone atmosphere, without the official's meddling will eventually balance themselves out, but the influence they have makes the numbers show erratically. I don't expect someone like you to get it, because it's apparent to me that others like you on this site are ignorant about many aspects of how objects behave in the universe. Once I have to explain 6th grade basic science to seemingly adult humans on a public forum, I no longer go into detail. I don't get paid to educate you people, go fund your own education, it's actually free at the Library.

                  Maybe you should go back to the 6th grade and ask teachers more questions. Don't be embarrassed, it's okay to be ignorant when you don't have the capacity to fix it. 

                  The most remarkable and eyebrow raising statement you wrote was that planets aren't PERFECTLY round. And you say I'm the ignorant one? WELL DUH!!!!!!!...OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT PERFECTLY ROUND, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

                  Now I'm not so sure that 6th grade can help you...WOW...you must be 10 years old. Isn't there a rule about LP only allowing adults? Please correct me If I'm wrong.

                  I have a suggestion, go ask your parents to search for scientific material on your browser so you can at least get the basic facts. 

                  Too many people on Meds theses days...just WOW !

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                    Getting back to the topic...

                    One time I called the lottery offices and asked for the pre draw test results. They asked me, which day did I want? I said I want them for every day. They said they couldn't do that. I asked why not and they just hung up.  Unhappy

                    You guys from Texas are lucky that you get to see them, most of us can't.

                    "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                    The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

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                      What if the same digit is nothing, but a disguise? What if the 5 draws were 25189? What is the probability of one of those digits, returning in the real draw. Do they have time to check how many tickets were sold using those digits. Who is to say, they only have 5 pre-draws?

                      "What if the 5 draws were 25189?"

                      Looking at the last five Florida Cash 3 Evening drawings, five different digits were drawn in the middle position. There are probably lots of examples where a digit was drawn three times in five drawings and maybe a few times when a digit was drawn five out of eight which is the test conditions for using an alternative ball set.

                      "What is the probability of one of those digits, returning in the real draw."

                      There is a 50% chance.

                      "Do they have time to check how many tickets were sold using those digits."

                      I'm pretty sure they could get that info in seconds.

                      "Who is to say, they only have 5 pre-draws?"

                      Based on their process it's possible to have several pre-drawing tests. If a digit in any digit position is drawn five times, they will conduct at least five more alternative ball set drawings.

                      The ball sets and drawing machines used in Lottery drawings shall be determined by random selection

                      If this is done before every drawing or even a random number of drawings, any pattern observed by a "trained eye" is simply a random pattern.

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                        "liquids in space will immediately form a circle."

                        Well, if you think that "in space" is the same as zero-G and that a circle and a sphere are the same thing then that's true, as long as other conditions are also met. And, just as with the shape of planets and stars there's a very simple reason why it happens, but it has nothing to do with  your delusions about  the universe requiring things to balance out.

                        "Numbers drawn in a stand alone atmosphere, without the official's meddling will eventually balance themselves out, but the influence they have makes the numbers show erratically."

                        Unlike other things you've said, that's clearly the result of stupidity rather than simple ignorance. Nothing else could explain thinking that the simple act of drawing numbers more often could disrupt this magical balancing force you think exists. If anything, it would result in things balancing out over a shorter period of time.

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                          "Do you not find it strange that Texas has the same lottery contractor as Florida and they publish the pre-draws and Florida doesn't? "

                          No, I don't. Maybe it's because I know that Florida and Texas are different states and their lottery contractors operate under the rules of the lottery.

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                            Stack, come on now...it's me. You and I have discussed this before along with many other current and former members. Have you ever stopped to realize that so many new members come here and re-open this same discussion over and over again? It's happening for a reason, my friend. I'm not not trying start or enhance any existing confusion already here but, I tend to fully concur with amber and her analogy which piggy-backs my casino assertion, okay. 

                            If you complain about the casino process, what do you think they will tell you?

                            I'll tell you what, go to your local casino and see how it operates each of the games you mentioned in your reply to me, okay. When you go to the Craps table, allow them to roll the dice (4) times and tell you that none of those rolls count after you've seen that you've hit (7) or (11) on the first (come out)roll, same thing on the second roll, and say (5) and (3) on the last two rolls. Then, on the 'official roll', you end up with another (5). What you're telling me is that you'd be perfectly fine with this even after they've shown you that your numbers won. (7) and (11) are, in fact, your numbers in this game, okay. I find it hard to believe that you'd give 'em a pass on that. Now, let's look at Roulette. You arrive at the table, place your bet on 'even numbers', and the ball lands on even. You win big but, that was a 'pre-spin.' I'm not gonna go any further with the last (3) 'pre-spins' because I honestly feel you'd leave after the first one and probably complain. Now, for Black Jack. You sit down at the table with your favorite drink and are feeling pretty good....nice and tipsy. The dealer shuffles the cards a few times and then deals a hand...you have a 'straight' on your first deal but, he takes it back and says, "That was the first 'pre-deal." You're telling me that you'd be perfectly fine with that and simply move on to the next 'pre-deal' with no beef?

                            Every form of gambling is based solely on the 'law of repetition.' How soon will a particular winning event happen again...what are the chances? When pre-tests, pre-rolls, pre-deals, and pre-spins are injected into the deal, then you're actually decreasing the probability of coming out ahead in my opinion. Have you ever shot a basketball and it became perfectly wedged in between the rim and the back board??? Yeah, this is my point...it ain't gonna happen AGAIN no matter how hard you practice and try to repeat it. It was perfect ON THAT PARTICULAR SHOT. The commissions need to allow whatever happens to happen from one 'clean draw' to the next one with no pre or post tests. 

                            It's really simple; if you don't like the testing, don't play.

                            This seems to be the going attitude but, I think it may be a bit too ballsy as stated before because, it's the players that make these games SUCCESSFUL in the first place. You are aware that WE actually own the games...right? We INVEST in these games every single day, okay...OUR MONEY makes it possible for 'em to exist. They can offer whatever they want but, if they have no players then things come to a halt and they must launch a Q&A on what's wrong with the game. My, my, my...players really don't know just how much power they really have in this. I can promise you that any lottery official reading my post is hemorrhaging right now because all the projects that are funded...WE pay for when we gamble. Sure, some of it goes to education but, have a looksie at Texas' breakdown:

                            http://www.kcbd.com/story/14579932/kcbd-investigates-is-the-tx-lottery-really-funding-education

                            That was from way back in the day. In my opinion, they need to overhaul both Powerball and MM's to where players are seeing better returns at some point to make it more worth their while for dropping the coin on it. They'll NEVER go broke and will still turn plenty in profit but, THE INVESTORS (US) need to feel like they're more inclusive in this deal. OUR money is HARD to come by while theirs is simply a matter of US filling out a play slip. Let that soak in, okay. We're still friends and can talk this out but, I'm pretty solid in my position.Smash

                            From my previous post: You (or nobody else) have offered an explanation of how Florida or any other state's testing prevents any of the 1000 three digits combos from being drawn.

                            If you really believe any type of pre-drawing testing has an effect on the official drawings preventing any of the 1000 three digits combos from being drawn, why not educate the new members?

                            "I'm not not trying start or enhance any existing confusion already here but, I tend to fully concur with amber and her analogy which piggy-backs my casino assertion, okay."

                            Apparently you didn't know they believe there is a real statistic proving there is a connection between the dreams of over 6 billion humans and daily pick-3 drawings. 

                            "When you go to the Craps table, allow them to roll the dice (4) times and tell you that none of those rolls count after you've seen that you've hit (7) or (11) on the first (come out)roll, same thing on the second roll, and say (5) and (3) on the last two rolls."

                            I had to read that silly remark five times because I thought you understood how casino craps is played. In which casino do you "allow them to roll the dice" without anyone making a real money wager?

                            Why and when dice are replaced could be better answered by a Craps dealer and why and when a roulette wheel is tested could be better explained by a roulette dealer. How often cards are changed on table games depends on individual casino process.

                            "Every form of gambling is based solely on the 'law of repetition.' How soon will a particular winning event happen again...what are the chances? "

                            Your "law" is a psych term. How long do think it will take before the MM combo 15-17-20-35-55 + 7 is drawn (happens) again?

                            Will pre-drawing testing prevent those numbers from being in the next 100,000 years?

                            Or will the fact only 4% of all outcomes can be drawn if the current MM matrix and number of yearly drawings stays the same for the next 100,000 years?

                            "it's the players that make these games SUCCESSFUL in the first place."

                            Over ten years ago, I signed the Petition for True Lottery Drawings, but since then a few state lotteries actually went to computer RNG drawings. Almost all the fixed pick-3 payoff lotteries pay only $500 to $1 when at least one state lottery pays $600 to $1 and a couple of states are pari-mutual. Boxed payoffs vary too and most are under $500 to $1 so it looks like these games are really successful because of player ignorance. The point is if lotteries listen to the players, why are the playoffs under 50% and why are the Hot Lotto results determined by a computer RNG?

                            Not to sound redundant, but if you really believe any type of pre-drawing testing has an effect on the official drawings preventing any of the 1000 three digits combos from being drawn, why not educate, not just the new members, but all the members?

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                              "liquids in space will immediately form a circle."

                              Well, if you think that "in space" is the same as zero-G and that a circle and a sphere are the same thing then that's true, as long as other conditions are also met. And, just as with the shape of planets and stars there's a very simple reason why it happens, but it has nothing to do with  your delusions about  the universe requiring things to balance out.

                              "Numbers drawn in a stand alone atmosphere, without the official's meddling will eventually balance themselves out, but the influence they have makes the numbers show erratically."

                              Unlike other things you've said, that's clearly the result of stupidity rather than simple ignorance. Nothing else could explain thinking that the simple act of drawing numbers more often could disrupt this magical balancing force you think exists. If anything, it would result in things balancing out over a shorter period of time.

                              Amber believes "patterns, only seen by trained eyes" will appear if lotteries do nothing to insure each three digit combos has an equal chance of being drawn. Probably complained about casinos using measures to prevent card marking and loaded dice too.

                              "Unlike other things you've said, that's clearly the result of stupidity rather than simple ignorance."

                              I'm guessing you never read any of their systems. ROFL