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KS draw date 6/17

27 minus the sum  978  24=sum   03  58   3-4 rundown      978 becomes 977   4 9 3 7 4 7        3 9 4 7 3 7

                              927  18=sum   09  54                                                               4 3 1 2 2           3 4 2 1 1

                              184  13=sum   14  69                                                                 7 4 3 4              7 6 3 2

                                                                                                                                   2 7 7                 4 9 5

                                                                                                                                     9 5                    4 5

                                                                                               vtrack indicated: 5 is digits 4,9

                                                                                                                           1 is digits 0,5 Why? There is no 0 in rundown. 9 can be it.

 

                               pairs: 03  13  39  49  55  68  89                                       pairs: 92  52  44  02

                                         04  14  34  48  56  69                                                       97  57  47  07

                                         05  19  38  45  58                                                             95  54  42  05

                                         06  18              59                                                             94  55        04

                                         08  15  35  46                                                                   99              09

                                         09  16  36                                                                                           00

                                                     39

 

Once again run the filter. There is no 5 in the pyramid today so 5 pairs go away. Digit 5 could still be in the draw but will match with another pair to get it. I'm not expecting double, so those pairs can be eliminated. Other pairs are eliminated as a result of the filter.

 

So we have 12 pairs from 27 minus, and 6 pairs from 3-4 rundown. We have no matches. 

Turn tail and run?

No, it just means we have to make a decision on which pairs and rundown to finish with. I pick 3-4 rundown. Why? Probably familiarity and the fact that in May this workout had 24 days of at least one hit in the two draws. Some had both. 

Now we eliminated the O pairs due to filter. This leads me to certainly believe it is vtrack 5.  All the pairs left have a 4 or 9 in them.

Match to digits in 3-4 rundown. You get:

245, 247, 249 297. 295, 792, 795, 794, 945, 472, 475. Certainly a reasonable number of combo's.

 

Draws for 6/17 Mid: 457  Quit now?  Maybe, maybe not. Why? In May when the second draw for the day was hit it was the other vtrack. So now we are looking at just the digit 5. 5 combo's.........sure why not?

 

EVE:954

That's why this rundown is amazing. And even better when matched with the 27 minus. Why? In May when the pairs matched.....always a hit.

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    I have a real hard time understanding black apple...i understand a little of th 34 rundown..but what does he mean by number line???? i will appreciate if you can clarify that for me. Hes a good man but he dosent speak english..ive tried asking him before but his answers are too confusing...thanks...

    Took me a long time to get the hang of it. But it is worth it. Practice, practice, practice. Spend the time to do a back test for your state for an entire 30 days. Get really familiar with it. 

    Read the post about the number line carefully. Copy and paste it in a document and eliminate the colors and the different fonts.

    Read it again. It will make sense. If in doubt, remember 3 digits. 4,1  1,4  4,7  7,4   8.5   5.8  Just an example, there are others. In fact....9,2   2,9.   Why?  9,0,1,2....

    Copy, laminate it, and use it. 

    Balancing the number is crucial. When I first started using the 3-4 rundown, for what ever reason, my search didn't take me to the beginning. I found it about a year after starting to use it. I only did the rundown using the draw. It worked...... a lot. But when I made the change, it made a huge difference. 

    It will give you the vtracks to use. It will often give the root to use. It will even give the pairs. I've wheeled the digits. I've matched them in pairs and then combo's. Both will work.

    The workout is best for two draws, and my experience shows evening draw is the one to work from. IF it doesn't hit a draw for the day, most times, it's just a day early.  It'll hit the next one.

     

    OH, yeah. Repeat pairs. It'll make sense.

     Rock Chalk Jayhawk

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      KS draw date 6/17

      27 minus the sum  978  24=sum   03  58   3-4 rundown      978 becomes 977   4 9 3 7 4 7        3 9 4 7 3 7

                                    927  18=sum   09  54                                                               4 3 1 2 2           3 4 2 1 1

                                    184  13=sum   14  69                                                                 7 4 3 4              7 6 3 2

                                                                                                                                         2 7 7                 4 9 5

                                                                                                                                           9 5                    4 5

                                                                                                     vtrack indicated: 5 is digits 4,9

                                                                                                                                 1 is digits 0,5 Why? There is no 0 in rundown. 9 can be it.

       

                                     pairs: 03  13  39  49  55  68  89                                       pairs: 92  52  44  02

                                               04  14  34  48  56  69                                                       97  57  47  07

                                               05  19  38  45  58                                                             95  54  42  05

                                               06  18              59                                                             94  55        04

                                               08  15  35  46                                                                   99              09

                                               09  16  36                                                                                           00

                                                           39

       

      Once again run the filter. There is no 5 in the pyramid today so 5 pairs go away. Digit 5 could still be in the draw but will match with another pair to get it. I'm not expecting double, so those pairs can be eliminated. Other pairs are eliminated as a result of the filter.

       

      So we have 12 pairs from 27 minus, and 6 pairs from 3-4 rundown. We have no matches. 

      Turn tail and run?

      No, it just means we have to make a decision on which pairs and rundown to finish with. I pick 3-4 rundown. Why? Probably familiarity and the fact that in May this workout had 24 days of at least one hit in the two draws. Some had both. 

      Now we eliminated the O pairs due to filter. This leads me to certainly believe it is vtrack 5.  All the pairs left have a 4 or 9 in them.

      Match to digits in 3-4 rundown. You get:

      245, 247, 249 297. 295, 792, 795, 794, 945, 472, 475. Certainly a reasonable number of combo's.

       

      Draws for 6/17 Mid: 457  Quit now?  Maybe, maybe not. Why? In May when the second draw for the day was hit it was the other vtrack. So now we are looking at just the digit 5. 5 combo's.........sure why not?

       

      EVE:954

      That's why this rundown is amazing. And even better when matched with the 27 minus. Why? In May when the pairs matched.....always a hit.

      Theos  working on a program.

      How about them cowboys!

       

       

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        Awesome. It would make it faster. Not sure how to automate the process of balancing the number. Matching digits for pairs and combos doesn't seem as if it would be too bad.

        BTW, all that make sense? I worry about explaining clearly enough.

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          Awesome. It would make it faster. Not sure how to automate the process of balancing the number. Matching digits for pairs and combos doesn't seem as if it would be too bad.

          BTW, all that make sense? I worry about explaining clearly enough.

          I wasted too much time responding to blogs. Never again !

          You are doing your best but I'm not up to speed on what you are doing.

          Maybe a step by step with the process, that may work.

          How about them cowboys!

           

           

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            Me neither  i need to know what "balancing numbers" means..ive got a lot figured out but im trying to fgure out "number lines"  blackapple makes no mention of v tracs on his post i do not understand them i dont know why you put them in your post. Also i notice when i take yesterdays number and do that 34 rundown no doubling ect i get a lot of pairs and 3 numbers very often....yes can you please show the balance and number line ideas? think thats the key  that blackappl shows but again he speaks a foreign language. What is Balance the numbers???????????????

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              KS draw date 6/17

              27 minus the sum  978  24=sum   03  58   3-4 rundown      978 becomes 977   4 9 3 7 4 7        3 9 4 7 3 7

                                            927  18=sum   09  54                                                               4 3 1 2 2           3 4 2 1 1

                                            184  13=sum   14  69                                                                 7 4 3 4              7 6 3 2

                                                                                                                                                 2 7 7                 4 9 5

                                                                                                                                                   9 5                    4 5

                                                                                                             vtrack indicated: 5 is digits 4,9

                                                                                                                                         1 is digits 0,5 Why? There is no 0 in rundown. 9 can be it.

               

                                             pairs: 03  13  39  49  55  68  89                                       pairs: 92  52  44  02

                                                       04  14  34  48  56  69                                                       97  57  47  07

                                                       05  19  38  45  58                                                             95  54  42  05

                                                       06  18              59                                                             94  55        04

                                                       08  15  35  46                                                                   99              09

                                                       09  16  36                                                                                           00

                                                                   39

               

              Once again run the filter. There is no 5 in the pyramid today so 5 pairs go away. Digit 5 could still be in the draw but will match with another pair to get it. I'm not expecting double, so those pairs can be eliminated. Other pairs are eliminated as a result of the filter.

               

              So we have 12 pairs from 27 minus, and 6 pairs from 3-4 rundown. We have no matches. 

              Turn tail and run?

              No, it just means we have to make a decision on which pairs and rundown to finish with. I pick 3-4 rundown. Why? Probably familiarity and the fact that in May this workout had 24 days of at least one hit in the two draws. Some had both. 

              Now we eliminated the O pairs due to filter. This leads me to certainly believe it is vtrack 5.  All the pairs left have a 4 or 9 in them.

              Match to digits in 3-4 rundown. You get:

              245, 247, 249 297. 295, 792, 795, 794, 945, 472, 475. Certainly a reasonable number of combo's.

               

              Draws for 6/17 Mid: 457  Quit now?  Maybe, maybe not. Why? In May when the second draw for the day was hit it was the other vtrack. So now we are looking at just the digit 5. 5 combo's.........sure why not?

               

              EVE:954

              That's why this rundown is amazing. And even better when matched with the 27 minus. Why? In May when the pairs matched.....always a hit.

              Are you putting the numbers like this:

              238  sum 13 

              27-=    14

              mirror 69.

              Now are you putting the 69 in the 3,4 blackapple program? If so can you show this and how it I'd associated with vtracs.

              How about them cowboys!

               

               

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                Read my leeps too!y!ou tell us how important it is to balance numbers..can ANYBODY out there tell us how we do this?? Ive asked several times...only silence

                is there anyone out there who can explain what Blackapple  means by NUMBER LINES?? and BALANCING THE NUMBERS?somebody must know but nobodies talkin...!!!!

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                  KS draw date 6/17

                  27 minus the sum  978  24=sum   03  58   3-4 rundown      978 becomes 977   4 9 3 7 4 7        3 9 4 7 3 7

                                                927  18=sum   09  54                                                               4 3 1 2 2           3 4 2 1 1

                                                184  13=sum   14  69                                                                 7 4 3 4              7 6 3 2

                                                                                                                                                     2 7 7                 4 9 5

                                                                                                                                                       9 5                    4 5

                                                                                                                 vtrack indicated: 5 is digits 4,9

                                                                                                                                             1 is digits 0,5 Why? There is no 0 in rundown. 9 can be it.

                   

                                                 pairs: 03  13  39  49  55  68  89                                       pairs: 92  52  44  02

                                                           04  14  34  48  56  69                                                       97  57  47  07

                                                           05  19  38  45  58                                                             95  54  42  05

                                                           06  18              59                                                             94  55        04

                                                           08  15  35  46                                                                   99              09

                                                           09  16  36                                                                                           00

                                                                       39

                   

                  Once again run the filter. There is no 5 in the pyramid today so 5 pairs go away. Digit 5 could still be in the draw but will match with another pair to get it. I'm not expecting double, so those pairs can be eliminated. Other pairs are eliminated as a result of the filter.

                   

                  So we have 12 pairs from 27 minus, and 6 pairs from 3-4 rundown. We have no matches. 

                  Turn tail and run?

                  No, it just means we have to make a decision on which pairs and rundown to finish with. I pick 3-4 rundown. Why? Probably familiarity and the fact that in May this workout had 24 days of at least one hit in the two draws. Some had both. 

                  Now we eliminated the O pairs due to filter. This leads me to certainly believe it is vtrack 5.  All the pairs left have a 4 or 9 in them.

                  Match to digits in 3-4 rundown. You get:

                  245, 247, 249 297. 295, 792, 795, 794, 945, 472, 475. Certainly a reasonable number of combo's.

                   

                  Draws for 6/17 Mid: 457  Quit now?  Maybe, maybe not. Why? In May when the second draw for the day was hit it was the other vtrack. So now we are looking at just the digit 5. 5 combo's.........sure why not?

                   

                  EVE:954

                  That's why this rundown is amazing. And even better when matched with the 27 minus. Why? In May when the pairs matched.....always a hit.

                  someone managed to put this in an Excel file?
                  Excel teachers, with all due respect it would be good to put him in an Excel ...

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                    Theos  working on a program.

                    This is a hard one for me.Bash Correct me if I'm wrong, I am assuming that in the 3-4 rundown you are using the last digit as the vtrac number, also the pairs for the 3-4 rundown are coming from the bottom 2 rows of the pyramid.

                    Next,( the number drawn), if the digits are less than 3 from each other we use those digits according to BA's number line.

                    To some of you readers, these are all questions not the way it works

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                      This is a hard one for me.Bash Correct me if I'm wrong, I am assuming that in the 3-4 rundown you are using the last digit as the vtrac number, also the pairs for the 3-4 rundown are coming from the bottom 2 rows of the pyramid.

                      Next,( the number drawn), if the digits are less than 3 from each other we use those digits according to BA's number line.

                      To some of you readers, these are all questions not the way it works

                      Yes, the bottom two rows hold all the good stuff.

                      I will put the workout for 6/17 here again just for demo purposes.

                      978 becomes 977. Theo, you are correct on the number balancing. There is no difference of 3 so you use the 978, drop last digit and double the second.......977.

                                      4 9 3 7 4 7                 3 9 4 7 3 7

                                        4 3 1 2 2                    3 4 2 1 1

                                          7 4 3 4                       7 6 3 2

                                            2 7 7                          4 9 5

                                              95                              4 5

                      Now the bottom row of digits indicates the vtrac. We have a 4,9.............indicates vtrac 5.    We also have a 5. There is no 0 digit in the 3-4 rundown. 9 is sometimes it. So this would indicate vtrac 1......0 or 5.

                      Yes, pairs come from the bottom digits matched to all digits in bottom two rows.

                      Match the digits to all others in bottom row. Remember 9 can be 0, so include it. If it's not in the actual combo, the filter process will eliminate it out (the Pair).

                      Next thing I've found is part of the filter process can be......the digits in the pair must be adjacent in the rundown. Ex.: 95, 97,94, You may recall in the previous post we had a pair 47. We kept it....why? In the left set of numbers, 7 is in the second row, and just above it is the 4. I have had a pair come from that situation.

                      Blackapple has mentioned many times the bottom row can be the root sum digit also. I have found it can OFTEN be one of the others also. This is another point that can be used in reduction. It's not perfect, but MOST times works. 

                      While this thread is about the 27 minus the sum and the 3-4 rundown, don't forget why. When a pair matches both workouts, there is a hit. The 3-4 rundown produces plenty of hits on its own, but with 27 minus match....it is a virtual lock.

                      Theo, does that answer your questions? 

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                        Another note on this, trying not to confuse.....

                        Sometimes the combo is "RIGHT" there. Example.....the 457 and 954 are aligned in the workout. This happens. If you see it.........double up, triple up time???

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                          Another note on this, trying not to confuse.....

                          Sometimes the combo is "RIGHT" there. Example.....the 457 and 954 are aligned in the workout. This happens. If you see it.........double up, triple up time???

                          Thus the need for a program.  To save time and backtest this needs to either have someone show more examples or have a program.  Vtrac are fine but I don't know.

                          How about them cowboys!

                           

                           

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                            Read my leeps too!y!ou tell us how important it is to balance numbers..can ANYBODY out there tell us how we do this?? Ive asked several times...only silence

                            is there anyone out there who can explain what Blackapple  means by NUMBER LINES?? and BALANCING THE NUMBERS?somebody must know but nobodies talkin...!!!!

                            The post Blackapple made is pretty clear about this, but I'll try to explain it.

                             

                            When doing the 3-4 rundown, you are using previous draw combo. I prefer evening because the rundown will usually give at least one of the combo's for the next two draws, if not both of them. I don't see that as much with using a mid draw.

                            If there is not a difference of 3 between 2 digits in the combo, you simply drop the last digit and double the second.  Example,: 978

                            No difference so becomes 977.

                            However, if the is a difference of 3 digits between 2 digits in the combo, you balance. Examples, 41-14

                            47-74          85-58         03-30     The two digits that are 3 apart are compared on the number line. the digit that is stand alone comes to the front.

                             

                            Number line is thus:1-8-5-2-9-6-3-0-7-4-1

                            So in the example Blackapple uses....368. The 3 and 6 are three digits apart. 8 comes to the front, 6 comes before the 3. Double the middle digit.....866.

                             

                            Why is it important to do this. The digit alignment in the workout. There are a few times it seems it doesn't matter, but it really does. digits align differently if you don't. We know the pairs coming from the rundown are adjacent. This is usually different if you compare doing the balancing and not doing the balancing. Sometimes the digits are just plain different.

                            When I first started doing the rundown, I did not do this. Since doing it my hits have dramatically improved.

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                              Can you work with theo and get a program that works with the entire progrm including the 3,4 vtrac and the final result?, picks.

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