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Jun 20, 2016, 12:36 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Jun 20, 2016
Thus the need for a program. To save time and backtest this needs to either have someone show more examples or have a program. Vtrac are fine but I don't know.

I'm all for a program just to make it faster. Does take time to do by hand. Best experience is doing an entire month in backtest and get very "familiar" with it. You will learn the nuances and how to read it. When to play, when to "really" play (double up or more) and when to ......watch.

Don't forget to match the 27 minus to it.

And as with all systems/methods. Backtest and paper play it for a bit. What works in one state DOES NOT always work for another.

Did you do your tracking today ??
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Jun 20, 2016, 12:39 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Jun 20, 2016
Can you work with theo and get a program that works with the entire progrm including the 3,4 vtrac and the final result?, picks.

I hope I am answering his questions as best as I can. Sorry for no responses over weekend. I have a big family and this weekend was all about that. My best time for being on and doing things is early and late in the day. If I'm lucky.

Did you do your tracking today ??
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Jun 20, 2016, 12:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on Jun 20, 2016
I'm all for a program just to make it faster. Does take time to do by hand. Best experience is doing an entire month in backtest and get very "familiar" with it. You will learn the nuances and how to read it. When to play, when to "really" play (double up or more) and when to ......watch.

Don't forget to match the 27 minus to it.

And as with all systems/methods. Backtest and paper play it for a bit. What works in one state DOES NOT always work for another.

Jay I think you have a great idea but bits and pieces here and there has left people hanging. I'm busy and I know you are but there may be days between discussion of this and people may lose interest in a great idea. Maybe a everyday total explanation with examples and/or a program.

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Jun 20, 2016, 1:35 pm

Okay, I think I got some of it, but I will probably be asking more questions.

The way the spreadsheet is right now needs the player to do some pen and paper work. It probably end up that way, hopefully not to much.

Jay, When I get a rough copy I will send it to you to pick apart.

With the exception of a few, please be patient. Myself and others are trying to make this work.
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Quote: Originally posted by theo1946 on Jun 20, 2016
Okay, I think I got some of it, but I will probably be asking more questions.

The way the spreadsheet is right now needs the player to do some pen and paper work. It probably end up that way, hopefully not to much.

Jay, When I get a rough copy I will send it to you to pick apart.

With the exception of a few, please be patient. Myself and others are trying to make this work.

Win!
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Jun 20, 2016, 3:57 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Jun 20, 2016
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Jun 20, 2016, 3:58 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on Jun 20, 2016
I hope I am answering his questions as best as I can. Sorry for no responses over weekend. I have a big family and this weekend was all about that. My best time for being on and doing things is early and late in the day. If I'm lucky.
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Jun 21, 2016, 10:58 am

Todays workout for both 27- and 3-4 rundown.

We are balancing the number today as we have a 3 digit variance in last draw, 069. 0 stays in front.

Consult number line......1 8 5 2 9 6 3 0 7 4 1

9 is before the 6 so number is 099. On with workout.

069=15=12 67 4 0 3 9 4 9 3 0 4 9 3 9

918=18=09 54 4 3 3 4 4 3 4 4 3 3

915=15=12 67 7 6 7 8 7 8 7 6

4 4 6 6 6 4

8 1 3 1

Pairs for 27- pairs for 3-4

01 12 24 45 56 66 77 13 36 68

02 14 25 46 57 67 79 16 38 48

04 15 26 47 59 69 18

05 16 27 49 11

06 17 29 14

07 19 22

09 11

Run the filter, eliminate pairs. Remember just because you eliminate a pair with certain digits, does not mean that digit will not appear with another pair. Example 5 is not in the pyramid so is eliminated from pair list. But still could come with another pair. Also, 3-4 pairs must be adjacent or are eliminated. Example, pair 38. If you look at rundown, nowhere is the 3 and 8 adjacent to each other. It is eliminated.

Wheel the remaining pairs with the digits in each workout, that match the other workout, eliminate duplicates. This is what's left. Note, I often will add previous draws digits to pairs if they don't already exist. Like the 9,6,0. That way I cover repeat digits.

110 160 114 163 184 481 681

112 162 116 164 186 486 683

114 164 118 168 181 483 684

116 166 113 169 189 489 689

117 167 119 180 480 680

119 169

Now we are looking for vtrac 4 3 or 8. Why? Bottom row of numbers give vtrac in 3-4 rundown. Vtrac 2 is indicated by the ones present, but the vtrac 4 is stronger. both digits are showing. you can always make the decision for yourself.

We currently have 28 combos showing. A lot for most folks, but you would cover both sides. Pick vtrac 4? 16 combos.

Pick vtrac 2? 25 combos.

One more reduction is possible. Blackapple has taught us that the bottom 2 numbers can also be root indicators. I have found in actual use the way I do it, the bottom two rows can be. Not perfect, have missed doing this. But if you have to reduce, this is one way. So this would leave 112 166 114 116 118 163 168 184 181 481 483 489 480 683 14 total combos. (provided I didn't make a mistake.)

Now for vtrac 4 you have 10 combos. vtrac 2, you have 11 combos.

If you don't understand something, please ask. Each of these methods can stand on their own. But together, they are blockbusters.

In May, the 27- minus matched the 3-4 rundown in pairs 14 times. It had a hit 12 times. Virtually a lock together.

Did you do your tracking today ??
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Jun 21, 2016, 11:05 am

There is a lot of information in each of these posts. Read slowly and carefully. Read multiple times. Do the workouts. If you play these workouts on dates the pairs match only, you will come out ahead.

For instance in the prev post there were 28 combos left after eliminations. That a few more than most times. But even so. 28 times 14=392 dollars. Box pays 80.00 in KS. Wins.....960 dollars. Play straight using your knowledge and skill......do the math.

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Jun 21, 2016, 11:16 am

Quote: Originally posted by Wentworth on Jun 18, 2016
Me neither i need to know what "balancing numbers" means..ive got a lot figured out but im trying to fgure out "number lines" blackapple makes no mention of v tracs on his post i do not understand them i dont know why you put them in your post. Also i notice when i take yesterdays number and do that 34 rundown no doubling ect i get a lot of pairs and 3 numbers very often....yes can you please show the balance and number line ideas? think thats the key that blackappl shows but again he speaks a foreign language. What is Balance the numbers???????????????

Getting it now?

Blackapple doesn't use vtracs in his explanation. Some people don't like or understand vtracs. I do. I can see that by using vtracs, I am covering both sides of key numbers that mirror. You can choose to pick a digit if you wish.

Did you do your tracking today ??
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Jun 21, 2016, 11:38 am

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on Jun 21, 2016
Getting it now?

Blackapple doesn't use vtracs in his explanation. Some people don't like or understand vtracs. I do. I can see that by using vtracs, I am covering both sides of key numbers that mirror. You can choose to pick a digit if you wish.

Theo built a nice program. I normally dont use vtracs so the whole thing makes no sense to me at all. Where does the vtracs track pair/match with the 3,4 and 27 minus? I see the combos but are they after the fact of mixing the vtrcs,3,4 or what?

Where is the vtrac list that shows which vtrac is which? Vtrac 2,3,4 what does that mean to the novice or beginner? A detailed list would clear this up and make it easy to see if it works for each members state.

A list of the past 10 draw would be perfect for this idea. I'll show an example with one. This may not be what you are doing but at this point it makes zero sense to me . There is no correlation between the 3,4 and 27 minus theory.

A list with a xxx number that coincides with vtrac 1,6. The 27- and 3,4 maybe not be correct for this example but I'm trying to illustrate a point.

Vtrac xx 27- pair 34 result

1,6 3,9 1,8

Combos from these:

369

189

169

Now this would be more clear to anyone trying to figure this out.

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Jun 21, 2016, 12:08 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Jun 21, 2016
Theo built a nice program. I normally dont use vtracs so the whole thing makes no sense to me at all. Where does the vtracs track pair/match with the 3,4 and 27 minus? I see the combos but are they after the fact of mixing the vtrcs,3,4 or what?

Where is the vtrac list that shows which vtrac is which? Vtrac 2,3,4 what does that mean to the novice or beginner? A detailed list would clear this up and make it easy to see if it works for each members state.

A list of the past 10 draw would be perfect for this idea. I'll show an example with one. This may not be what you are doing but at this point it makes zero sense to me . There is no correlation between the 3,4 and 27 minus theory.

A list with a xxx number that coincides with vtrac 1,6. The 27- and 3,4 maybe not be correct for this example but I'm trying to illustrate a point.

Vtrac xx 27- pair 34 result

1,6 3,9 1,8

Combos from these:

369

189

169

Now this would be more clear to anyone trying to figure this out.

I'll post on this in the afternoon. I see your point. My main point is if looking for two solid programs to support each other, to get a solid confirmation, these work very well together.

They are separate methods. They produce more pairs than most want to work with. The way I use your 27- makes more pairs than you usually use. But together they provide a virtual lock for a hit. When there is a match of pairs. Other states may not hit the same. But in KS..........

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Jun 21, 2016, 12:16 pm

Correct.

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Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on Jun 17, 2016
KS draw date 6/17

27 minus the sum 978 24=sum 03 58 3-4 rundown 978 becomes 977 4 9 3 7 4 7 3 9 4 7 3 7

927 18=sum 09 54 4 3 1 2 2 3 4 2 1 1

184 13=sum 14 69 7 4 3 4 7 6 3 2

2 7 7 4 9 5

9 5 4 5

vtrack indicated: 5 is digits 4,9

1 is digits 0,5 Why? There is no 0 in rundown. 9 can be it.

pairs: 03 13 39 49 55 68 89 pairs: 92 52 44 02

04 14 34 48 56 69 97 57 47 07

05 19 38 45 58 95 54 42 05

06 18 59 94 55 04

08 15 35 46 99 09

09 16 36 00

39

Once again run the filter. There is no 5 in the pyramid today so 5 pairs go away. Digit 5 could still be in the draw but will match with another pair to get it. I'm not expecting double, so those pairs can be eliminated. Other pairs are eliminated as a result of the filter.

So we have 12 pairs from 27 minus, and 6 pairs from 3-4 rundown. We have no matches.

Turn tail and run?

No, it just means we have to make a decision on which pairs and rundown to finish with. I pick 3-4 rundown. Why? Probably familiarity and the fact that in May this workout had 24 days of at least one hit in the two draws. Some had both.

Now we eliminated the O pairs due to filter. This leads me to certainly believe it is vtrack 5. All the pairs left have a 4 or 9 in them.

Match to digits in 3-4 rundown. You get:

245, 247, 249 297. 295, 792, 795, 794, 945, 472, 475. Certainly a reasonable number of combo's.

Draws for 6/17 Mid: 457 Quit now? Maybe, maybe not. Why? In May when the second draw for the day was hit it was the other vtrack. So now we are looking at just the digit 5. 5 combo's.........sure why not?

EVE:954

That's why this rundown is amazing. And even better when matched with the 27 minus. Why? In May when the pairs matched.....always a hit.

I got

493748

43123

7435

278

96

394738

34212

7633

496

46

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Jun 21, 2016, 9:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Jun 21, 2016
Theo built a nice program. I normally dont use vtracs so the whole thing makes no sense to me at all. Where does the vtracs track pair/match with the 3,4 and 27 minus? I see the combos but are they after the fact of mixing the vtrcs,3,4 or what?

Where is the vtrac list that shows which vtrac is which? Vtrac 2,3,4 what does that mean to the novice or beginner? A detailed list would clear this up and make it easy to see if it works for each members state.

A list of the past 10 draw would be perfect for this idea. I'll show an example with one. This may not be what you are doing but at this point it makes zero sense to me . There is no correlation between the 3,4 and 27 minus theory.

A list with a xxx number that coincides with vtrac 1,6. The 27- and 3,4 maybe not be correct for this example but I'm trying to illustrate a point.

Vtrac xx 27- pair 34 result

1,6 3,9 1,8

Combos from these:

369

189

169

Now this would be more clear to anyone trying to figure this out.

vtrac list: vtrac 1=0,5 Most rundowns indicate 2 vtracs

vtrac 2=1,6

vtrac 3=2,7

vtrac 4=3,8

vtrac 5=4,9

Starting with June 10 KS draws

June 10 616=13=14 69 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 5 which is 4,9 MID-667

394=16=11 66 1 which is 0,5 EVE-442 HIT

857=20=07 52

June 11 442=10=17 62 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 1 which is 0,5 MID-575 Possible hit

667=19=08 53 2 which is 1,6 EVE-129 HIT

616=13=14 69

June 12 129=12=15 69 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 3 which is 2,7 MID-538

575=17=17 62 EVE-959

442=10=17 62

June 13 959=23=04 59 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 2 which is 1,6 MID-496

538=16=11 66 EVE-217

129=12=15 60

June 14 217=10=17 62 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 2 which is 1,6 MID-139 HIT

496=19=08 53 3 which is 2,7 EVE-923 Possible hit

959=23=04 59

June 15 923=14=13 68 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 3 which is 2,7 MID-577

139=13=14 69 2 which is 1,6 EVE-184 Possible hit

217=10=17 62

June 16 184=13=14 69 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 2 which is 1,6 MID-927

577=17=10 65 3 which is 2,7 EVE-978 Possible hit

923=14=13 68

June 17 978=24=03 58 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 5 which is 4,9 MID-457

927=18=09 54 1 which is 0,5 EVE-954 HIT

184=13=14 69

June 18 954=18=09 54 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 1 which is 0,5 MID-508

457=16=11 66 5 which is 4,9 EVE-887

978=24=03 58

June 19 887=23=04 59 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 5 which is 4,9 MID-293

508=13=14 69 1 which is 0,5 EVE-915 Possible Hit

954=18=09 54

June20 915=15=12 67 vtrac indicated by 3-4 rundown 4 which is 3,8 MID-918 Hit

293=14=13 68 3 which is 2,7 EVE-069

887=23=04 59

So as you can see, each rundown usually produces 2 vtracs. One stronger than the other. Either 2 digits or 3 digits of same vtrac and one digit of another. One will hit first and then often the other one will. Interestingly, I have found the lower one hits most of the time but not always. Either first or second. In the data above,where it says possible hit, if prepared for a different scenario, would have gotten hit.

Hopefully this clears up how the vtrac is indicated and used in conjunction with the 27 minus. It provides the key digits.

Did you do your tracking today ??

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