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Posted: September 19, 2016, 11:56 pm - IP Logged

My picks using only numbers that fit the above criteria and also drawn in the L10 games :

1: 12-15-18-29-30 
2: 12-16-24-30-39 
3: 12-23-24-30-39 
4: 15-16-18-23-29 
5: 15-18-24-29-39

@Feisty I know that sticking to JP23 is not an easy thing to do. The temptation is to look outside this group. What I'm trying to figure out is what filters we can use to maximize JP23. For example, looking at certain groups like 3-6-9, Teens, 20's, 30's, 10's (10,20,30), followers certain numbers, repeats, etc. When does a certain group tend to show would be a good question to answer. I don't follow T5 enough to have the flow of the numbers.

Another thing  I've notice is that changing sets is usually not a good idea. It's good to keep it in for a few draws but I can't help wanting to change a few of the numbers (bad habit I guess).

Last night's number:

04-18-20-26-37

Four numbers were drawn from JP23 (from here on out I will refer the group of 23 numbers as JP23).

3 are even number 1 odd. Yesterday was 3 odds and 1 even. One repeat (37).

My picks for tomorrow:

06-10-16-19-21

06-12-16-21-39

06-10-33-36-39

Play to win!

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    Jeesh, all this data.

    You will find (just about every draw) the winnings numbers are a mix of  hot, cold and recently drawn.

    So.  With 12 twelve numbers...

     

    4 Hot

    4 Cold

    4 recently drawn in the last three to four days

    the right picks will give u lots of 3 of 5  and 4 of 5 wins every day.

     

    If it was me...I would make up three groups of 12 numbers and divide my funds amongst them

    "You will find (just about every draw) the winnings numbers are a mix of  hot, cold and recently drawn."

    That's a very true statement.  And it's also true of every other online lottery game in existence anywhere in the country. To my way of thinking, recently drawn numbers are very often "hot" numbers (or "short skips") as well. Numbers that have a short skip cycle are by definition "hot" because they're drawn so frequently.

    All matrices (be they 5/36, 5/39, 6/49, 6/59 etc) are dominated by short skips. For instance, Take5 has had 7,107 drawings since it began back in January of 1992.  That's a total of 35,535 balls/numbers drawn.

    Of that 35,535 balls, 3,923 were one skips.  (11%) 

    3,520 were two skips (9.9%) 

    2,982 were 3 skips (8.4%)

    2,715 were 4 skips (7.6%)

    So one through four skips (recently drawn numbers) are approximately 36% of all balls/numbers drawn. And that's not even taking into account "repeaters" which are seen in 50% of drawings.

    I've checked other states online games as well as NY's T5, and I've seen the very same thing.  It definitely pays to play short skips. G5 

    About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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      @Feisty I know that sticking to JP23 is not an easy thing to do. The temptation is to look outside this group. What I'm trying to figure out is what filters we can use to maximize JP23. For example, looking at certain groups like 3-6-9, Teens, 20's, 30's, 10's (10,20,30), followers certain numbers, repeats, etc. When does a certain group tend to show would be a good question to answer. I don't follow T5 enough to have the flow of the numbers.

      Another thing  I've notice is that changing sets is usually not a good idea. It's good to keep it in for a few draws but I can't help wanting to change a few of the numbers (bad habit I guess).

      Last night's number:

      04-18-20-26-37

      Four numbers were drawn from JP23 (from here on out I will refer the group of 23 numbers as JP23).

      3 are even number 1 odd. Yesterday was 3 odds and 1 even. One repeat (37).

      My picks for tomorrow:

      06-10-16-19-21

      06-12-16-21-39

      06-10-33-36-39

      Figuring out which filters to use ... that's the 64,000 question!  Remember that game show?  I know I'm showing my age by saying that!   Embarassed

      After playing this game (T5) for what feels like a hundred years now, (and winning the JP once all the way back in 2001) the best advice/strategy I can offer is to be FLEXIBLE.  There are times when all the charting in the world, top followers, right amount of skips, odd/even mix, etc. yields absolutely NOTHING!  Then a few draws later BOOM 3/4/5 of the numbers hit ... but that set was dropped for what looked like a better set!

      Now, I always run more than one wheel ... all the while trying to keep my pool of numbers between 9-12 for each wheel.  If I feel really strongly for a particular number then I make it my power/key/banker number and have it in every line.  There is no playing this game by trying to use a "strategy" without eating, drinking and sleeping it everyday.  One has to develop a feel for the game otherwise might as well just get quickpicks and be done with it ... because many times there is no valid explanation (other than RANDOM) for what appears in the final draw and a "gut" feeling will deliver a great win every now and then.

      "When does a certain group tend to show would be a good question to answer. "

      When working with the JP23 I would opt to eliminate a group or two in order the reduce the amount of lines to play.  For example, when we made note of the missing 30's group for more than 3 draws a lil while back I was focused on the high 30's coming (36-39) but just didn't tie it together properly ... things like that come from a feeling as well as the stats.  I went after 39 in last night's set hoping it would come as the adjacent to the 38 that played the previous draw ... instead 37 repeated as well as being an "adjacent" to 36/38.  There are a couple of things that I've noticed with this game that you can count on happening: when an entire group has been missing for more than 3 draws, expect it to show up like gangbusters when it does show and when "special/rare" occurrences happen look for the exact opposite to happen in short order ...

      Another thing that I've been trying to do lately is to work with patterns of draws rather than even looking at individual numbers.  Needless to say that that is almost mission impossible after too many years of marrying numbers to each other and developing an affinity for some numbers over others, having favorite pairs and so on.  But when looking for a certain pattern or groups of numbers to play to the exclusion of everything else, then the focus can be more narrowed and tailored while keeping the amount spent lower as well. 

      I didn't use the units (3,6,9),  I only wanted one or two from the 30's group and chose to lean heavily on the teen's and 20's.  I think its important to pick a game plan and just stick with it, giving it a few days to show and then if nothing close shows then move on.  What's important here also is to keep really good notes, showing why one thing was picked over the other and following up with the draw info after each draw along with any and all particulars.  I'm still trying to get better at this ... instead of having sticky notes all over the place, and bits and pieces of notes that when I go back to them I have no idea what I meant at the time!

      I'm keeping the same set for tonight:

      1: 12-15-18-29-30 
      2: 12-16-24-30-39 
      3: 12-23-24-30-39 
      4: 15-16-18-23-29 
      5: 15-18-24-29-39 

      Let's see what happens.

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        Figuring out which filters to use ... that's the 64,000 question!  Remember that game show?  I know I'm showing my age by saying that!   Embarassed

        After playing this game (T5) for what feels like a hundred years now, (and winning the JP once all the way back in 2001) the best advice/strategy I can offer is to be FLEXIBLE.  There are times when all the charting in the world, top followers, right amount of skips, odd/even mix, etc. yields absolutely NOTHING!  Then a few draws later BOOM 3/4/5 of the numbers hit ... but that set was dropped for what looked like a better set!

        Now, I always run more than one wheel ... all the while trying to keep my pool of numbers between 9-12 for each wheel.  If I feel really strongly for a particular number then I make it my power/key/banker number and have it in every line.  There is no playing this game by trying to use a "strategy" without eating, drinking and sleeping it everyday.  One has to develop a feel for the game otherwise might as well just get quickpicks and be done with it ... because many times there is no valid explanation (other than RANDOM) for what appears in the final draw and a "gut" feeling will deliver a great win every now and then.

        "When does a certain group tend to show would be a good question to answer. "

        When working with the JP23 I would opt to eliminate a group or two in order the reduce the amount of lines to play.  For example, when we made note of the missing 30's group for more than 3 draws a lil while back I was focused on the high 30's coming (36-39) but just didn't tie it together properly ... things like that come from a feeling as well as the stats.  I went after 39 in last night's set hoping it would come as the adjacent to the 38 that played the previous draw ... instead 37 repeated as well as being an "adjacent" to 36/38.  There are a couple of things that I've noticed with this game that you can count on happening: when an entire group has been missing for more than 3 draws, expect it to show up like gangbusters when it does show and when "special/rare" occurrences happen look for the exact opposite to happen in short order ...

        Another thing that I've been trying to do lately is to work with patterns of draws rather than even looking at individual numbers.  Needless to say that that is almost mission impossible after too many years of marrying numbers to each other and developing an affinity for some numbers over others, having favorite pairs and so on.  But when looking for a certain pattern or groups of numbers to play to the exclusion of everything else, then the focus can be more narrowed and tailored while keeping the amount spent lower as well. 

        I didn't use the units (3,6,9),  I only wanted one or two from the 30's group and chose to lean heavily on the teen's and 20's.  I think its important to pick a game plan and just stick with it, giving it a few days to show and then if nothing close shows then move on.  What's important here also is to keep really good notes, showing why one thing was picked over the other and following up with the draw info after each draw along with any and all particulars.  I'm still trying to get better at this ... instead of having sticky notes all over the place, and bits and pieces of notes that when I go back to them I have no idea what I meant at the time!

        I'm keeping the same set for tonight:

        1: 12-15-18-29-30 
        2: 12-16-24-30-39 
        3: 12-23-24-30-39 
        4: 15-16-18-23-29 
        5: 15-18-24-29-39 

        Let's see what happens.

        The biggest thing I took away from your post is that you keep sets of numbers in play for a few days.  That's something I should do, but I never do it!!  I'm always playing a brand new set of lines every nite.  I guess the best way for me to keep sets in play is to buy a multi-draw ticket every time I play.  Even though I may have some lines working tonite that I bought two days ago, I still can buy a different set of lines today and have the best of both worlds.  G5

        About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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          The biggest thing I took away from your post is that you keep sets of numbers in play for a few days.  That's something I should do, but I never do it!!  I'm always playing a brand new set of lines every nite.  I guess the best way for me to keep sets in play is to buy a multi-draw ticket every time I play.  Even though I may have some lines working tonite that I bought two days ago, I still can buy a different set of lines today and have the best of both worlds.  G5

          Just to follow up a bit on what I wrote above....

          I played T5 last Sunday nite, but I didn't play on Monday. 

          After I checked my Sunday nite's losing ticket on Monday morning, I crumpled it up and tossed it in the garbage.  But that's a bad habit that I need to kick!  By throwing away Sunday's ticket on Monday morning, I have no idea what numbers I played on Sunday, and I cant check to see how I might have made out with that ticket by checking it against Monday nite's draw this morning. (Tuesday)  Maybe I had 5 outta 5!  Not that I would have won a dime with that ticket, but at least I'd know if I was on the right track when I was picking my numbers on Sunday afternoon for Sunday nite's drawing. 

          I've often wondered if I ever picked a line of of numbers for a drawing that was held in 2012, and that same set of five numbers was eventually drawn in 2016.  I'll never know if that has happened to me or not.  That's because I don't keep a record of all the lines I've ever played, so I cant check to see if I actually picked a line that was eventually drawn at a later date. (I probably don't want to know if that happened to me anyway.... but it very well may have happened!) 

          I do know that I once picked a line of numbers, and checked to see if it had ever been drawn in the past.  Turns out it had, so I didn't play the line.  G5 

          About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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            @Feisty1 Excellent points!

            @GiveFive I think you should keep a record of what numbers you've played so as to have some idea how close or far you are.

            Last night's numbers was:

            03-08-12-19-34

            3 numbers from JP23.   2 odd and 1 even number. 

            Still sticking with 6 as my power number. Here's my pick for tomorrow.

            06-10-12-20-21

            06-10-16-21-36

            06-10-21-33-36

             

            @Feisty1 Congrats on your FP 12 & 29 Hurray!.

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              Just to follow up a bit on what I wrote above....

              I played T5 last Sunday nite, but I didn't play on Monday. 

              After I checked my Sunday nite's losing ticket on Monday morning, I crumpled it up and tossed it in the garbage.  But that's a bad habit that I need to kick!  By throwing away Sunday's ticket on Monday morning, I have no idea what numbers I played on Sunday, and I cant check to see how I might have made out with that ticket by checking it against Monday nite's draw this morning. (Tuesday)  Maybe I had 5 outta 5!  Not that I would have won a dime with that ticket, but at least I'd know if I was on the right track when I was picking my numbers on Sunday afternoon for Sunday nite's drawing. 

              I've often wondered if I ever picked a line of of numbers for a drawing that was held in 2012, and that same set of five numbers was eventually drawn in 2016.  I'll never know if that has happened to me or not.  That's because I don't keep a record of all the lines I've ever played, so I cant check to see if I actually picked a line that was eventually drawn at a later date. (I probably don't want to know if that happened to me anyway.... but it very well may have happened!) 

              I do know that I once picked a line of numbers, and checked to see if it had ever been drawn in the past.  Turns out it had, so I didn't play the line.  G5 

              Hey GF,

              I thought that since you used A+ for all those stats and stuff that you probably used the wheel gold software as well.  Well I have a true horror story to tell about saving the wheels I've made in the past and then going back to see what they would've won ... especially once I've used "power numbers" and saw those numbers in subsequent draws come up. 

              Way back in 2006 I made a pick-6 wheel using 29 & 32 as "power" numbers for the NJ Pick 6 Lotto.  I live in Jersey back then and stretched my dollars between T5, Jersey Cash5 and Pick-6.  I saw the 29 & 32 in a dream clear as day but those were only 2 numbers and I was like "what else can I put with them ... I need 3 more for the T5"!  (T5 was my first love so it got all the attention).  So I went to the A+ to see what other numbers played along with 29 & 32 often ... made a small pool of numbers and then wheeled them.  Nothing much came of it so I got the idea to try them in the pick-6 as well.  I got a few 3/6's and one 4/6 got tired of it and dropped them.  Well lo and behold, three years and seven months later (I know this to the date because I saved the wheel) I'm watching the drawing and what plays but 29 & 32 along with what looked like familiar numbers ... I was sick because I just knew I had those "other" numbers as well, just not if on the same line.  Of course I go straight to my computer, pull up the wheel and check ... I'm still sick, my stomach just doesn't hurt as much as that night ... all 6 on one line!  I still save whatever wheels I create ... old habits die hard!

              As far as multi-draw play goes, that's how I play now that I'm in the land of constant sunshine because its a 45 min drive to the border to play in CA and it forces me to think long and hard about what I want to play and for how long!  It also changed the way I look at the game ... which is why I'm more of a "trapper" instead of a "hunter" ...

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                @Feisty1 Excellent points!

                @GiveFive I think you should keep a record of what numbers you've played so as to have some idea how close or far you are.

                Last night's numbers was:

                03-08-12-19-34

                3 numbers from JP23.   2 odd and 1 even number. 

                Still sticking with 6 as my power number. Here's my pick for tomorrow.

                06-10-12-20-21

                06-10-16-21-36

                06-10-21-33-36

                 

                @Feisty1 Congrats on your FP 12 & 29 Hurray!.

                Thanks JP!  Now it begs to question whether to stick with a "teen" start along with 20's, especially since no 20's were drawn tonight or if "6" will finally show with some 20's and a 30's group member or two?

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                  It would be nice to get  a list of which numbers pairs the most with one another just using the JP23.

                  Another thing to look at the 'followers'. Which numbers follows which. Maybe Advantage plus could give us this information. I don't have this program.

                  Any takers? Just the JP23 numbers.

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                    It would be nice to get  a list of which numbers pairs the most with one another just using the JP23.

                    Another thing to look at the 'followers'. Which numbers follows which. Maybe Advantage plus could give us this information. I don't have this program.

                    Any takers? Just the JP23 numbers.

                    I'll put together a few and post them later ...

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                      Okay, I'll start with the followers from tonight's draw numbers that are in the JP23: (keep in mind that the follower/trailing numbers option shows what usually follows the most recent draw's numbers) so until the others are drawn I won't be able to show their followers.  When I have more time I'll show some of the "hit with" or "companion" numbers.

                      Drawn #:Followers
                      33,20,26,24,10,21,29,33,6,18,19
                      1223,10,21,15,18,9,6,26,39
                      2919,15,12,16,33,6,3,26
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                        Thanks!

                        Am I to understand that what generally follows the #3 is 20? 20 being the most drawn with 3 follow by 26, 24 and so on. I like to play 12 &21 when I play one or the other.

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                          Hey GF,

                          I thought that since you used A+ for all those stats and stuff that you probably used the wheel gold software as well.  Well I have a true horror story to tell about saving the wheels I've made in the past and then going back to see what they would've won ... especially once I've used "power numbers" and saw those numbers in subsequent draws come up. 

                          Way back in 2006 I made a pick-6 wheel using 29 & 32 as "power" numbers for the NJ Pick 6 Lotto.  I live in Jersey back then and stretched my dollars between T5, Jersey Cash5 and Pick-6.  I saw the 29 & 32 in a dream clear as day but those were only 2 numbers and I was like "what else can I put with them ... I need 3 more for the T5"!  (T5 was my first love so it got all the attention).  So I went to the A+ to see what other numbers played along with 29 & 32 often ... made a small pool of numbers and then wheeled them.  Nothing much came of it so I got the idea to try them in the pick-6 as well.  I got a few 3/6's and one 4/6 got tired of it and dropped them.  Well lo and behold, three years and seven months later (I know this to the date because I saved the wheel) I'm watching the drawing and what plays but 29 & 32 along with what looked like familiar numbers ... I was sick because I just knew I had those "other" numbers as well, just not if on the same line.  Of course I go straight to my computer, pull up the wheel and check ... I'm still sick, my stomach just doesn't hurt as much as that night ... all 6 on one line!  I still save whatever wheels I create ... old habits die hard!

                          As far as multi-draw play goes, that's how I play now that I'm in the land of constant sunshine because its a 45 min drive to the border to play in CA and it forces me to think long and hard about what I want to play and for how long!  It also changed the way I look at the game ... which is why I'm more of a "trapper" instead of a "hunter" ...

                          Ouch! 

                          So you're in the camp of someone who knows.....  I'm sure my stomach would still be hurting too.  I was thinking of past T5 lines that may have subsequently won a JP because T5 is the game I play most often.  But a PICK6 worth multiple millions???  Something like that happening to me would probably make me permanently stop playing.  G5   

                          About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                            Thanks!

                            Am I to understand that what generally follows the #3 is 20? 20 being the most drawn with 3 follow by 26, 24 and so on. I like to play 12 &21 when I play one or the other.

                            The way to read that chart is that the numbers listed are in the order of most to least hits following each drawn number.  There were a few "non-JP23" numbers that also play following those drawn numbers, I just didn't list them.

                            "3" generally follows 3 the most (which btw also tells us that "3" is a "good' repeater candidate) then 20 is the next most often "follower" and so on.

                            The takeaway from those followers listed would be to use (or at least pay attention to) the JP23 numbers that we see appear on all three lines or even two, for example:

                            3, 6, 10, 15, 19, 21, 26, & 33

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                              Thanks. That what I thought.

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