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Sep 24, 2016, 12:21 pm

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Sep 24, 2016
Thanks for the chart. I really thought that #12 & 21 was the top pair not #23 interesting to have the facts. Thanks for sticking with only the JP23. There's a method to what I'm trying to achieve. The other thread is for all the numbers.

You're welcome! It's a lot of info to take in at once. Sometimes I have to step back (or away even) and then look at stuff again ...

I forgot to answer your wheel question earlier. I use a bunch of different ones depending on how many numbers are being used, but for the most part I try to always use at least one power number with a pool of 9 numbers. The Wheel Gold software from Gail Howard's stuff has a 4/5 with one power generating 6 lines when using 9 numbers. I also really like the 5/5 with 2 powers generating 10 lines ... that one is a REAL hard nut to crack because it is only a 7 number pool, but I'm working on it!
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Sep 24, 2016, 2:07 pm

Ok, I'm trying a couple of things here. Because I like to "10" to show so much, I'm pairing it with 6 and using a 2-power number wheel in the first set. I also like a teen or (high) start since the teens went completely missing last draw and we haven't had a high start in 9 draws, so I have a second set with some overlapping numbers and no power numbers ... let's see what happens!

9/24 - 9/26

1: 06-10-12-20-24
2: 06-10-12-26-37
3: 06-10-18-24-37
4: 06-10-18-26-37
5: 06-10-20-24-26

1: 10-12-18-28-33
2: 10-15-20-21-28
3: 10-18-19-28-33
4: 12-15-19-20-21
5: 15-18-20-21-33

Good Luck Everyone ... especially anyone who tries any of these!
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Sep 24, 2016, 5:25 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Feisty1 on Sep 24, 2016
@G5

Glad to see you! Was hoping you'd bring some of those analytical skills to this thread! I totally agree that A+ is a little clunky in the way it displays the data, but its all in there ... I've been using it since 2001 and I still learn new stuff all the time! I found it to have a pretty steep learning curve, but once you stick with it the stuff finally starts to seep in.

I'm choosing to only work with the JP23 in this thread, but that doesn't mean I don't look at the other numbers ... especially when they stand out like a "sure shot" ... remember what I said about being flexible in an earlier post! Remember if we want to REALLY win a jackpot, it calls for doing all sorts of things in and outside the box!

Feisty, I could not agree with you more about A+!

I haven't been an A+ user as long as you have, but just like you, even though I've had it for about three years, I still learn new things about it's capabilities every day. I'm sure I'll discover more with the passage of time.

Agree too about the A+ steep learning curve.... When I first got it, I found it to be over whelming. I doubt anybody new to it appreciates all of it's capabilities. G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 2:55 am

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Sep 24, 2016
Thanks for the chart. I really thought that #12 & 21 was the top pair not #23 interesting to have the facts. Thanks for sticking with only the JP23. There's a method to what I'm trying to achieve. The other thread is for all the numbers.

Last night's numbers:

12-22-23-25-29

That A+ was right about 12 & 23 being paired the most.

There was No repeat. No teens and no low numbers. No 30's.

No 10's. 1 even 2 odd from the JP23. Three numbers showed from the JP23. We might see four numbers tomorrow.

Some from group #2,5,6 numbers came out. All scattered.

Pick picks for tomorrow:

10-13-15-36-39

10-16-18-19-30

10-16-30-33-39

Those teens need to come out. That's 10 is screaming to be drawn tomorrow. We shall see.

I believe in Occam's razor:

The Simplest Answer is Usually Correct.
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Sep 25, 2016, 5:40 am

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Sep 25, 2016
Last night's numbers:

12-22-23-25-29

That A+ was right about 12 & 23 being paired the most.

There was No repeat. No teens and no low numbers. No 30's.

No 10's. 1 even 2 odd from the JP23. Three numbers showed from the JP23. We might see four numbers tomorrow.

Some from group #2,5,6 numbers came out. All scattered.

Pick picks for tomorrow:

10-13-15-36-39

10-16-18-19-30

10-16-30-33-39

Those teens need to come out. That's 10 is screaming to be drawn tomorrow. We shall see.

JP,

I'm wondering if you know how often all five winning numbers appeared in The JP23?

The reason I ask is because when I used to subscribe to Lotto News, they'd publish a set of 16 T5 numbers that they recommended people play. I used to check and see if I could have won a jackpot using their set of 16, had I played the numbers from their recommended set of 16. What I found was that all five winning numbers were very rarely included in it. They typically had three of the winners, (which means the best I could've won using their numbers was a 3/5) sometimes they had four of the winning numbers, but very infrequently were all five winning numbers included in their set.

I'm thinking that due to the fact there are 23 numbers in The JP23, all five winners would be included in The JP23 more often than Lotto News's set of 16. G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:04 am

Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Sep 25, 2016
JP,

I'm wondering if you know how often all five winning numbers appeared in The JP23?

The reason I ask is because when I used to subscribe to Lotto News, they'd publish a set of 16 T5 numbers that they recommended people play. I used to check and see if I could have won a jackpot using their set of 16, had I played the numbers from their recommended set of 16. What I found was that all five winning numbers were very rarely included in it. They typically had three of the winners, (which means the best I could've won using their numbers was a 3/5) sometimes they had four of the winning numbers, but very infrequently were all five winning numbers included in their set.

I'm thinking that due to the fact there are 23 numbers in The JP23, all five winners would be included in The JP23 more often than Lotto News's set of 16. G5

I sort of answered my own question.

I have a copy of Gail Howard's Lottery Master Guide. In it, there's a page that tells how many possible combinations of five numbers can be created from a set of 23 numbers - 33,649.

From a set of 16 numbers, 4,368 combinations of five numbers can be created.

That tells me that it should be 7.7 times easier to have all five winning numbers appear in The JP23, than it is to have all five appear in a set of 16 numbers.

Not sure if you've ever tracked or noticed how often all five winners have appeared in The JP23, but maybe we should track how often we see all five winners come from The JP23?

I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt here... but what we all are playing for is that very elusive 5/5!! G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:20 am

@GiveFive

I only started doing the JP23 idea since I've been in China. It was just an idea. A different approach. Since I can't really the game, I don't do really heavy analysis (there's no incentive). Being a native New Yorker, I like to peek in and give my two cents.

I believe in Occam's razor:

The Simplest Answer is Usually Correct.
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Sep 25, 2016, 6:34 am

Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Sep 25, 2016
I sort of answered my own question.

I have a copy of Gail Howard's Lottery Master Guide. In it, there's a page that tells how many possible combinations of five numbers can be created from a set of 23 numbers - 33,649.

From a set of 16 numbers, 4,368 combinations of five numbers can be created.

That tells me that it should be 7.7 times easier to have all five winning numbers appear in The JP23, than it is to have all five appear in a set of 16 numbers.

Not sure if you've ever tracked or noticed how often all five winners have appeared in The JP23, but maybe we should track how often we see all five winners come from The JP23?

I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt here... but what we all are playing for is that very elusive 5/5!! G5

I don't think I did a very good job of getting my point across in the above two posts. So let me try it this way:

When I used to subscribe to Lotto News, I asked myself this question;

If I played only the 16 numbers they are recommending (for a period of two weeks, because Lotto News comes out every other week) could I have won a jackpot using just those 16 numbers? I tracked how they did with their recommendations for about a year.

The answer was yes I could have won a jackpot, but not very often. If they had five numbers in their recommended "Best Sets" four times in a one year period, then that was a lot.

I saw they had a ton of 3/5's, some 4/5's, but a 5/5? Not many! I should also point out that they never said how or why they chose each of the 16 numbers they included in their recommendations. I think they may have mentioned something about using their "Jackpot Seeker" software, which they offer for sale.

No doubt that reducing the amount of numbers to play helps a lot. But the only way a player can win a jackpot using a reduced set, is if all five of the winning numbers drawn are contained in the reduced set. G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:43 am

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Sep 25, 2016
@GiveFive

I only started doing the JP23 idea since I've been in China. It was just an idea. A different approach. Since I can't really the game, I don't do really heavy analysis (there's no incentive). Being a native New Yorker, I like to peek in and give my two cents.

JP, thanks for your response.

I agree, it certainly is a different approach, and what I think is unique about it is that you offer explanations about why you chose the various numbers included in it.

And... it's as good as anybody else's approach, and most people don't even offer an approach!! That's probably because they probably don't have an approach! Feisty has an approach too, and I like what I see in Feisty's posts.

But hey! Who knows what's gonna happen!! So I'm open to just about anything anybody has to offer.... Thanks for offering your approach!! G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 7:16 am

JP...

I think I may have made an unfair comparison of The JP23 with Lotto News' "Best Sets"...

As I said previously, Lotto News is published every two weeks, so they publish 26 sets of "Best Sets" per year. During the course of the year, their set of 16 numbers changes/evolves, whereas The JP23 never changes. When I was checking Best Sets performance, I'd compare the latest set of 16 recommended numbers to the set of 16 that appeared in the previous edition of Lotto News. It didn't change much. Maybe two or three numbers in appeared in the latest edition that were not in the previous edition. That said, over the course of one year, the very first set of 16 published numbers didn't look anything like the 26th set.

And as I said before, if they had four 5/5's over the course of one year, then that'd be a lot. The reason I checked how Lotto News was doing was because, after all, I was paying for their advice/recommendations via the cost of my subscription. ($65 a year)

I'm not saying Lotto news did poorly... I could have easily won back the cost of my subscription using their recommendations. But what I found was even though they're "lottery pros", even the pros have a very tough time nailing down the right combo of five numbers that will win a player BIG $$$$! G5

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Sep 25, 2016, 9:51 am

Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Sep 25, 2016
JP...

I think I may have made an unfair comparison of The JP23 with Lotto News' "Best Sets"...

As I said previously, Lotto News is published every two weeks, so they publish 26 sets of "Best Sets" per year. During the course of the year, their set of 16 numbers changes/evolves, whereas The JP23 never changes. When I was checking Best Sets performance, I'd compare the latest set of 16 recommended numbers to the set of 16 that appeared in the previous edition of Lotto News. It didn't change much. Maybe two or three numbers in appeared in the latest edition that were not in the previous edition. That said, over the course of one year, the very first set of 16 published numbers didn't look anything like the 26th set.

And as I said before, if they had four 5/5's over the course of one year, then that'd be a lot. The reason I checked how Lotto News was doing was because, after all, I was paying for their advice/recommendations via the cost of my subscription. ($65 a year)

I'm not saying Lotto news did poorly... I could have easily won back the cost of my subscription using their recommendations. But what I found was even though they're "lottery pros", even the pros have a very tough time nailing down the right combo of five numbers that will win a player BIG $$$$! G5

@G5

Just to give you some prospective, the last 20 draws starting from 9/5 and including 9/23 breaks down like this:

5/5 5/4 5/3 5/2

1 8 6 4

This is just using the JP23 numbers alone. If you were to 'make believe' that the game is called JP23's 5/23 Take 5 and focus on a strategy with the 23 numbers, you could potentially win more frequently than you have before. It's hard to not be tempted to veer off and lose focus and pick numbers from the other numbers that are left. The lottery people know this.It takes discipline. That's why 'scratchers' are so successful. Most people can't just stop at one ticket. That's part of the reason why I started this thread. To see how many of us can post a few lines and get a 5 of 5 or 5 of 4.

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The Simplest Answer is Usually Correct.
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Sep 25, 2016, 4:15 pm

Here's the followers from last night's draw: (Sorry for just getting these on here ... had to make my run to the NV/CA border to make my weekly deposit to CA Lottery!)

Drawn #: Followers

12 23,10,21,15,18,9,6,26,39

22 24,33,21,13,36,6,3,12

23 9,18,13,27,16,21,6,20,26

25 10,36,6,3,18,23,16,19,12,37

29 19,15,12,27,16,6,33,3,26

Good Luck with these ...
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Sep 25, 2016, 11:45 pm

Tonight's draw: Sep. 25, 2016

6-10-16-17-31
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Sep 25, 2016, 11:46 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Feisty1 on Sep 24, 2016
Ok, I'm trying a couple of things here. Because I like to "10" to show so much, I'm pairing it with 6 and using a 2-power number wheel in the first set. I also like a teen or (high) start since the teens went completely missing last draw and we haven't had a high start in 9 draws, so I have a second set with some overlapping numbers and no power numbers ... let's see what happens!

9/24 - 9/26

1: 06-10-12-20-24
2: 06-10-12-26-37
3: 06-10-18-24-37
4: 06-10-18-26-37
5: 06-10-20-24-26

1: 10-12-18-28-33
2: 10-15-20-21-28
3: 10-18-19-28-33
4: 12-15-19-20-21
5: 15-18-20-21-33

Good Luck Everyone ... especially anyone who tries any of these!

Freeplays ...
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Sep 25, 2016, 11:52 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Feisty1 on Sep 24, 2016
Ok, I'm trying a couple of things here. Because I like to "10" to show so much, I'm pairing it with 6 and using a 2-power number wheel in the first set. I also like a teen or (high) start since the teens went completely missing last draw and we haven't had a high start in 9 draws, so I have a second set with some overlapping numbers and no power numbers ... let's see what happens!

9/24 - 9/26

1: 06-10-12-20-24
2: 06-10-12-26-37
3: 06-10-18-24-37
4: 06-10-18-26-37
5: 06-10-20-24-26

1: 10-12-18-28-33
2: 10-15-20-21-28
3: 10-18-19-28-33
4: 12-15-19-20-21
5: 15-18-20-21-33

Good Luck Everyone ... especially anyone who tries any of these!

Lat night's numbers

06-10-16-17-31

Congrats Feisty1. You got 5 FP's.

I got 2 FP's. (make believe of course).

3 even no odds. 1 10's (10). Two teens. One 30's. No repeats.

Grp. #1 had two numbers (6 & 10).

Grp. #3 had one number (16).

Missing are Grp. # 2, 4, 6 & 7.

I thinking more teens will show tomorrow and more 30's. I'll post my sets later.

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Drawn #:	Followers
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