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Seeing patterns where none exist

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Thomas Covenant's avatar - money
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Posted: July 11, 2003, 10:11 am - IP Logged

How does past draws affect future draws?


Okay, now I believe you can predict lottery numbers

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     We already told you ! Thought you were going to research and get back. What have you found to support your statements.......? I took you at your word.

                    " I'll do some research and get back to you."

                                                    Thomas Covanant  June 2003 

      PROMETHEUS       

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      You have it backwards anyway. First comes the research. Then one can fly in the face of popular opinion here in this lottery forum armed with facts.   

       "Nu...uh!" and "does not" are not valid or very effective points. When you post in the middle of conversations like Barney Fife, running into the street yelling.....

              "Citizens aaa..Rest" "Citizens aaa....Rest,"

      with nothing to back it up but more inane questions.... well then.... I'm sorry, in the future it will be hard to take your objections  seriously.  You're not after the truth, you are being contrary on purpose.

       Thomas, if you're doing this just to live up to your name sake, the fictional sci-fi character and protagonist ...."The Thomas Covanent" and persist in this debate tactic .....cut it out...please.

       If you're not doing this on purpose then .....stay just as you are. Your problems won't last much longer. Evolution is a harsh master.  Mother Nature will come along shortly. She will cure everything. LOL

        PROMETHEUS       

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        yes, water fre

        ... the lottery never fails to surprise!
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          Posted: July 11, 2003, 12:15 pm - IP Logged

          Knock it off prometheus, you know what I am asking. Past draws don't affect future draws. That's a law of probability. Period. Anything to the contrary only exists in the mind of people trying to sell lottery software. I am asking how is it possible that past draws affect future draws. "I don't know, it just does" won't cut it. In every prediction contest I have seen, everyone loses money. Even the great "Steve Player" loses money. What I'm getting from a lot of people is by using lottery systems, you don't lose as much. Good grief! What it boils down to is, prove it. I challenged you before to post your picks, but you conveniently ignored it.


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            Even if someone comes out with a miraculous way to predict winning numbers, they are NOT  going to tell anybody a damn thing.

            Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

            If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!

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              Posted: July 11, 2003, 1:03 pm - IP Logged

              Thaaa..s  right!!!

              "It's not easy, being, GREEN! "


               

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                Posted: July 11, 2003, 1:15 pm - IP Logged

                >Even if someone comes


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                  Thomas Covenant, are you by any chance writing a desertation or an essay for someone? I am well aware that you like to argue about "hot air, its rise and fall" or some such other notion but really, why are you trying to pin down any fallacy or personal beliefs? Since you are athiest in the belief that patterns don't exhist then may I ask, "Where is the skin off of your nose on the dialogue?" You have had your answer and you still conjure discrepencies. Just WHAT IS THE BEEF? We or I, didn't tell you that you had to accept our beliefs. Is it really so important that you be right and we are completely wrong? Think about the airs that you have given us and our reaction to them, is this what you want? We have given you our views on this matter~~~accept them or not! Gamblers are gamblers, period!

                  Teufellj


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                      Thomas Covenant's avatar - money
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                      Posted: July 11, 2003, 1:45 pm - IP Logged

                      Why does anyone debate about anything? Forums usually inspire debate and discussion. I haven't called anyone stupid, or insane. I haven't sent anyone gay porn in their email. I don't think nor have I said that lottery system sellers are crooks taking advantage of the hopeless. Frankly, on a personal level, I don't care how you spend your money. It's a debate. A rather good debate, because it involves not only facts, but personal belief and faith. Had I realized that this was some people's religion, I would have treaded more lightly. I play the lottery also, mainly just the Powerball. I have hopes and dreams of winning also. But I know the odds, and I don't take winning or losing too seriously. You shouldn't either. That's just my opinion.


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                        Posted: July 11, 2003, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

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                        ... the lottery never fails to surprise!
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                          Posted: July 11, 2003, 2:33 pm - IP Logged

                          Hmmn

                          "It's not easy, being, GREEN! "


                           

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                            Posted: July 11, 2003, 2:54 pm - IP Logged

                            I really liked count the dots. I had not gotten to this discussion.  Very interesting.  We all still have to consider everyone is entitled to their opinions.  And you can not change their minds.  Say, a person has an edge on winning and they actually win and show the people on the forum their proof of how they did it.  Then, you might have a chance of swaying them to your side.  Everyone has a right to express their view.  And I do enjoy everyone's views.  That is what makes this forum so great.  Who can deny that it is the best.  And I agree with lotoscorp this forum is definitely getting better.  We can all stretch our minds and learn new things.  And I certainly never intend to offend anyone with my views.  I enjoy learning something new.  Would love to stay and see where this discussion is going. But I have a barbecue to go to.   Enjoy.

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                              Powerball (Since it went 1/53+1/42 in 2002)... #20 comes up as PB ONCE between Jackpot hits. It only skipped ONE time... it did hit as PB 28 times since 1997...27 times in non-jackpot winning weeks.

                              No guarantees, of course... but I'm definitely going to be playing 20 as the PB for a few weeks... and as soon as it comes out I'm switching to 35... a bit harder to define than 20, but it has been the PB as many times as 20 since 10/9/2002.

                              Not rocket science, just observation based on the draw history. I prefer the DIY approach with Excel because I like to see how the stats shift week to week all at once. I don't like the "black box" approach most $$$ Software uses, and Excel is just as good (I.E. Conditional formatting for checking how your picks did, etc...)

                              Other people have a 120,526,770:1 chance of winning with a QP... I don't have such luck, my personal odds feel more like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1   of having the state's RNG give me a jackpot.

                              It depends, ultimately on your goals for any system.... Do I truly believe that my work with excel will beat the seemingly insurmountable 120,526,770:1 odds of a guaranteed win? Of course not! Do I think that someday soon I will be able to beat the 260:1 odds of picking 3 numbers regularly? I do... I don't yet know how, but that is my new goal... I have already achieved the goal of giving myself a better "QP" than I was getting from the state (I did play for "free" in 9 of the last 20 drawings... even if it was just $3 from a PB match 6 times). All I need is a system that will give 3 White balls correctly on one line just ONCE in 8 drawings, and I will consider the system "beat" because I will be able to play for free for good... while wheeling the remaining 2 numbers AND playing all 42 PBs per draw... greatly increasing the chances of a bigger win occasionally. I can already get one # almost every drawing... I can get 2 #s regularly (every 13 draws, still needs tweaking). I wouldn't bother trying if I was sure it couldn't be done... I don't know if I can do it, but I think it CAN be done. (And the system can be tweaked on "paper", no need to put up any $$$ until I can PROVE it to myself.)

                              I don't think you can look at just the draw numbers or the stats of the draw history and get the big picture... The CHANGE in stats from week to week tell a much more interesting story...