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# Open Discussion: Define/Refine Prediction

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Millenium,
This the Idea you are looking for down on page two. Working the data from page one and page two could find you some hits.
Todays mid-day 12/10 was 125 straight.
I will explai to anyone how to arrive at the data on page two if interested.

___________________________________________________
pick 3 all combo series or draws combined
Good luck

combos In due zone
_________triple combo out 124 draws [avg skip 93 draws]
consecutive pair combo
consecutive double combo
consecutive combo
all odd combo [overdue]
2 even 1 odd combo

pairs

even prs
overdue 28
due 08-04-06

odd prs
overdue 13-17-35-37-57-79
due 15

even odd prs
overdue 16-18-27-47-49-69
due  03-29

consecutive prs
overdue 01-23-34-78
due 09-56

doubles
overdue 00-44-66-88-99
due 11
data
44= skips 90 most skips 66
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______

possible straight position hits.

3 hot [wheeled the 5 hot for the 10 no match combos]
354-351-532-134-125-324-213-142-542-415
doubles
886-337-226-774-020-232-228
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____
20 draw digit count
using this as reference may  in selecting pairs or
all three digits for the next draw.
there are five ways you can put together the three digits
for the next draw

digit count
2-08t
5-07t
1-06t
3-06t
4-06t
__________
7-06t
9-06t
0-05t
6-05t
8-05t

this is the list for the digit count. watch where the
digits are in the column from top down.

the list
486-486
707-70
412-12
452-5
893-93
267
124
952
520
951
585
596
403
089
921
263
433
770
181
376

____________page two________________________________
I am going to define combos due and pairs due in their
combo series.
The combo series numbers are listed below in their
column 0 thru 9 [all box order]
I have my tracking setup to pull only the data for that
combo series. Treated as an individual game.

The data for each combo series only
represents the data and numbers in that series only.

daily data page 2
the individual combo series

due combos chosen by the lenght of time out and
in the sums hit percentile zone for that combo series.
all listed box order.

the 2 carried in a combo series means that the combo series
digit with one of the last drawn digits in that combo
series will return.

Mid-day and eve draws are combined

0 combos series 707 last drawn
consecutive double combo
consecutive pair combo
consecutive combo
2 carried combo
____all even combo

__overdue 01-00
due pairs 06-08
top drawn sums
11= 056-029-038-047
07= 016-025-007-034
10= 055-019-046-028-037
09= 045-009-036-018-027
due combos
016-045-036-055
019-001-014-023-079
006-015-008-017-026-035
044

1 combos series 412 last drawn
double combo
consecutive double combo
consecutive combo
all odd combo
1 even 2 odd combo [overdue]

overdue pairs 13-16
due pairs 15-17-18-11
top drawn sums
07= 115-133-124
10= 118-136-145-127
11= 128-146-137-119
12= 129-156-147-138
due combos
189-114-123
136-128-125-115
133-126-135

2 combos series 452 last drawn
2 carried combo
double combo
all even combo
1 even 2 odd combo
overdue pairs 28 [overdue]
____due pairs 23-29
top drawn sums
14= 257-248-239
13= 247-238-229-256
due combos
257-248-227-247
238-258

3 combos series 893 last drawn
consecutive combo
_____all odd combo
2 even 1 odd combo [overdue]

overdue pairs 35
____due pairs 37
top drawn sums
16= 358-367-349
17= 377-368-359
due combos
357-366-358
339-335-344

4 combo series 486 last drawn
consecutive combo
double combo
consecutive double combo
consecutive pair combo
______2 even 1 odd combo
overdue pairs 45 44
____due pairs
top drawn sums
18= 468-459-477
19= 469-478
due combos
469-478

5 combo series 585 last drawn
consecutive double combo
all odd combo
______2 even 1 odd combo

due pairs 57
top drawn sums
18= 567-558
due combos
556-589

6 combo series 767 last drawn
all even
2 even 1 odd
overdue pairs 69
____due pairs 68-66
top drawn sums
20= 668-677
due combos
669-679-699

7 combo series 787 last drawn
consecutive combo
overdue pairs none
____due pairs 79
top drawn sums
24-789
due combos
779-789

combo series below
_o_ _1_ _2_ _3_ _4_ _5_ _6_ _7_ _8_ _9_
000 111 222 333 444 555 666 777 888 999
001 112 223 334 445 556 667 778 889
002 113 224 335 446 557 668 779 899
003 114 225 336 447 558 669 788
004 115 226 337 448 559 677 789
005 116 227 338 449 566 678 799
006 117 228 339 455 567 679
007 118 229 344 456 568 688
008 119 233 345 457 569 689
009 122 234 346 458 577 699
011 123 235 347 459 578
012 124 236 348 466 579
013 125 237 349 467 588
014 126 238 355 468 589
015 127 239 356 469 599
016 128 244 357 477
017 129 245 358 478
018 133 246 359 479
019 134 247 366 488
022 135 248 367 489
023 136 249 368 499
024 137 255 369
025 138 256 377
026 139 257 378
027 144 258 379
028 145 259 388
029 146 266 389
033 147 267 399
034 148 268
035 149 269
036 155 277
037 156 278
038 157 279
039 158 288
044 159 289
045 166 299
046 167
047 168
048 169
049 177
055 178
056 179
057 188
058 189
059 199
066
067
068
069
077
078
079
088
089
099

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I rarely go by "overdue" numbers, except in extreme cases ("1" has not been seen as frequently as it "should" be in NY's P3).

I gave up on summing numbers after just two weeks.

I go by numbers and what I call "anti-numbers."

Also chronological relationships based on past results.

Won 129 straight and 725 box in the past two weeks.

Wish I could do that more often!  But as I said, the new machinery is hell. Just destroyed all patterns given by the old machine.  And I'm sure the Lottery Office knows that.

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There are lots of weird patterns out right now.  Many numbers are falling from "dues".  Many states seem to be playing 4 vtracs for a while about 4 or 5 draws, then bam..they put in a double vtrac twice and that changes the pattern again..right now our state is running a bring none pattern..that means..they brought vtrac 244 on Tuesday mid..today they brought out the rest ..vtrac 135...so of course you know that it knocks people off.  Monday nite we had vtrac 343, then last night we had vtrac 252...I am hoping that tonite we have vtrac 341..it is a simple bring nothing pattern..

If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

You never know when you will get another hit.

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Once I heard of Vtrac about a month ago I searched this site and others and tried to understand the concept.

I understand the basics of vtrac but I don't understand other computations used in the top of the Excel file samples.  You probably use Even, Odd, High, Low etc, etc. in your selection process.

I downloaded Excel files from the Yahoo elotteryuniverse forum.  I think compulotto also has a web site that explains vtrac with examples from Georgia Pick 3.

If you visit all the lottery forums you might be able to fully understand this concept of using vtrac.

I wish someone would just have a "Brain Drain" and just offer a vtrac for dummies e-book explaining the entire system.  Everthing explained from top to bottom, inside out.  The whole system.

Can anybody offer this information?  Even if they have to sell it for a price??

I know this is not a be all, end all for pick 3 but it would be another tool in the selection process.

Thank you.

wsls

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i agree - i'd even buy a simple explanation o vtr.

love to nibble those micey feet.

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I've read the entire thread and am doing so a second time too.

I think hypersoniq is right.

We should all post our methods here.  I think it would be very helpful for all of us.  And since we all seem to be in different states, we wouldn't be "bumping into each other."

I will start explaining my methods later today and I hope everyone else will be as forthcoming.

One thing I must say to hypersoniq, though: That 9-9-8 method you described comes up totally empty for me. And then you drop the bomb that you aren't even playing it!  Please don't do that sort of thing.  I think we should only report on methods that have worked, even if they have been sporadic.  There's nothing like putting your money where your mouth is.

Let's all go ahead and do this and wind up with some money in our pockets before this month is out!  What do all of you say?

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I haven't been following too closely on this discussion, only scan quickly over the comments. I agree, I believe everyone should post some methods here, whether  it works for all states or not. I use the versabet software, which I am aware many do. I came accross something the other day after watching Casho's postings on overdue by position. So I went into the Master Chart and listed the 3 overdue numbers in each postion, so I had three columns with three numbers in each. I tested only about 18 games back, but 8 out of the 18 games I tested, the numbers drawn would hit one number in two out of the 3 columns. So if I were to set a filter using each column, and telling my number generator to allow only combinations to be drawn that match a one number hit in any two columns only, no less & no more, there are usually only 21-28 combo's to work with after that.  This method seems to only be good for non doubles and boxed picks only.

Daily

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More book plugs:

Calculated Bets: Computers, Gambling, and Mathematical Modeling to Win - Steven S. Skiena

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521009626/qid=1071159222/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0989317-0404729?v=glance&s=books

-- details how he created a program to pick Jai-Lai winners.

Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in the Markets and in Life - Nassim Nicholas Taleb

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1587990717/qid=1071159311/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-0989317-0404729

-- an excellent book by a professional stock trader who is wise enough to distinguish between what seem to be patterns and randomness.

And again, The Predictors by Bass. In it mention is made of a program that uses genetic algorithms to ferret out patterns in data. That is exactly the kind of thing we need.

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Sorry for additional post, but trying to get as much in before I have to leave the PC for the day...

Mention was made of "circle, square, triangle, circle, square, triangle and 3 blank lines" -- with no "formula" for discerning the pattern.

OK, but what if the sequence had been:

circle, square, triangle

square, triangle, square

-- what do you think the next three would be? And what formula would you use?

"It all starts with math and ends with math and probability." -- I disagree. This leaves out the X factor: LUCK! Synchronicity as well. And if I can go out on a limb: what I call quantum factors. (And let's get this out of the way right now: If we were discuusing this stuff with "civilians," they'd think us nuts. But we have seen things happen that they have not. So go ahead and post what you actually believe and actually do without fear of being looked upon as a lunatic here. We Understand!)

Excalibur -- "the more different relations of which we become aware ,no matter how crazy they might seem the better that we'll be able to predict future numbers."

-- yes, I agree exactly! That's one of the things I use. I noticed that 725 likes to be near 362. Well, this is what just happened (live NY P3 data):

12/05/03 - 263 p (evening)

12/06/03 - 275 a (midday)

Got \$40 for a fifty cents box bet. (Well, OK, that's not a lot of money, but it's a win. And getting \$40 in exchange for fifty cents is a nice return on investment!)

hypersoniq - "more to the point... pattern recognition... surely there must exist, in some field of study, such an algorithm..."

-- yes! See The Predictors! I've looked at books about pattern recognition programming and they are just beyond me. I also lack the math gene, which doesn't help matters!

MikeK - "You put 1000 per day on the number let's 471 or 365. you play until it hits. Assuming you win once a year (average would be after 183 draws) That would have cost \$183 000 the win is \$500 000 which would give you \$317 000. That would look good enough to me."

-- if I had \$1K/day to spend, I wouldn't be playing the Pick 3! Would you?

Mention was made of a "linear progression prediction." Does anyone here really treat the Pick 3 as a long string of numbers? I think many of us (perhaps most) treat the three numbers as one distinct entity.

hypersoniq: "announcer numbers" -- yes, that has sometimes happened, I've noticed. But it's -- like I think all methods -- very subtle and it doesn't always work.

OK, I think that catches me up with what I've read (aside from my still trying to understand some methods that were posted).

One thing I'd like is for everyone to state the following:

1) The state Pick 3 you play

2) Whether it has midday and/or evening draws

3) The kind of machine being used

4) Can you play all types: Straight, Box, Combo, and Front/Back Pairs

I'll go first:

1) NY State

2) Now both midday and evening

3) The machine is one-piece almost like a triangle with a flat top with three different chambers. As if that wasn't bad enough, as the live drawing comes on, they are on a revolving stage! The prior machine, which treated the observant very well, was three separate cylindrical units on a still platform. Ah, those were the days...

4) All are available.

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Quote: Originally posted by Millennium on December 11, 2003

One thing I must say to hypersoniq, though: That 9-9-8 method you described comes up totally empty for me. And then you drop the bomb that you aren't even playing it!  Please don't do that sort of thing.  I think we should only report on methods that have worked, even if they have been sporadic.  There's nothing like putting your money where your mouth is.

9-9-8, although not a true system points to a larger possible area of exploration... looking for patterns in the previously drawn numbers (but not limiting yourself to any sort of logical pattern). I did try it a few draws until I reverse-solved it to see it only worked 12 times, but the 12 times were relatively equidistant chronologically... Imagine describing the entire draw history this way and coming up with a "goofy system calendar" that would give an indication of what off-the-wall system was due to pick a winner next... 12 straight hits, technically it "worked", but in the context of 9,110 drawings, it did not work well enough.... I also haven't counted the number of box hits.

The point was not that the system worked, but that an Idea was shared and explained... Imagine if someone was sitting on a method that has not worked, but some fresh set of eyes could add to it and make it a winner...

Right now, the point isn't sucess or failure of a system, it's to gather what is out there and how it's used, and to get everyone on the same page as far as common pick-3 knowledge is concerned. Once the next stage is reached and we have a unified approach to tweak and fine-tune, then we will be whole heartedly concerned with success...

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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Hi Hyper,

Bring it on!!

Thanks.

wsls

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Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on December 11, 2003

The point was not that the system worked, but that an Idea was shared and explained... Imagine if someone was sitting on a method that has not worked, but some fresh set of eyes could add to it and make it a winner...

Right now, the point isn't sucess or failure of a system, it's to gather what is out there and how it's used, and to get everyone on the same page as far as common pick-3 knowledge is concerned. Once the next stage is reached and we have a unified approach to tweak and fine-tune, then we will be whole heartedly concerned with success...

Maybe it would be best to qualify these hypotheses/theories/methods beforehand. Such as:

1) This is what I actually do

2) This is what I have noticed

3) Has anyone else noticed this?

I think your 9-9-8 would fall under #2/3, no?

I will have to post some of my methods tomorrow. I had too much to catch up on today (and I have yet to go over those Casho charts to see what they're all about...).

If I recall correctly, hypersoniq, you also program. Any plans to read up about genetic algorithms?

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This, topic, needs too be moved too the, Discussion Section! Very few numbers!

"It's not easy, being, GREEN! "

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Well, as long as I can find it! I thought it strange too that it wasn't under Systems...

Back tomorrow!

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