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I was referring to VisionDudes post

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    ahhh, gotcha. Cheers..

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       i never understood why people get so twisted at the notion that God is concerned with even the smallest of details of our life.  that somehow he created us and then disenfranchised himself from us.  that would be rediculous. 

      God created us for intimate fellowship,  not so we would be deferred to being displayed in his "trophy case" as an afterthought.

       that is the base reasoning of why i believe that it is God that picks and chooses the "who's"  and the "whys" of life.  maybe it's because i don't have a problem with his choices while some people do.  that usually is the crux of the problem.  once they admit God "might" be involved, they have to open themselves up to the possibility that they are witholding Gods authority over portions of their life.  they don't like ANYONE telling them what to do,  including God.

       "we" have no idea of all the peripheral fallout of allowing a guy like jack whittaker to win.  while he may be a bad steward of such a great gift,  God is not limited to "jack".  even after jacks bufoonery,  many people will benefit and i am not even limiting that monetarily and alot of that we will never "see".

       just like this post.  some will get it and benefit from it, having it to help keep their focus in life while for others it will fly right over their heads.

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        vision dude - from the beginning - i did not think this was the right forum for discussing god. still don't.

        think snow. sleet in decatur.

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          I don't have a problem with his choices I just have a problem when people say things that are TOTALLY RIDICULOUS we are GAMBLING there's no DIVINE intervention when GAMBLING unless "YOU ASK" for it.Does he decide WHO WINS the SUPER-BOWL or NBA CHAMPIONSHIP? Religion has no PLACE in GAMBLING this is a LOTTERY FORUM not a RELIGIOUS FORUM.Everyone has there own belief as to what REALLY goes on that's why you have Countries fighting over Religious differences.In your world what you say maybe true but not in mine even my FATHER who is just as RELIGIOUS as you thinks what your saying is nonsense.But that's what I'm talking about 2 people with RELIGIOUS beliefs that differ on certain things.One thinks he's right the other thinks it's wrong but no one will ever know the truth until that time comes and if everyone believed this to be true then I guess we should all STOP playing since your the only one in here that was told he will WIN the lottery END OF DISCUSSION on my part.

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            Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on January 08, 2004



            vision dude - from the beginning - i did not think this was the right forum for discussing god. still don't.






            you have the wrong person emily.

            while i may be the most vocal about it,  if you read back thru the thread you will see that i didn't start it,  i only responded to it.

            and of course with my penchant for making sure that God gets a fair representation in here,  i will continue it until such time as necessary.

            i don't live to shove "God" down peoples throats, but what i do live for is when the opportunity presents itself, i will step up to the plate and defend Gods honor.  that opportunity came in this thread.

            please allow me to explain myself fully.  on that day emily when i stand before God,  the one thing that i am determined not to hear is that i was ashamed.  i am never seeking to offend anyone,  but neither am i worried if i happen to.  that is because i am far more concerned with what God thinks than what people think of me.  i am greatful for what he has done for me and in that greatfulness i plan on giving others the opportunity to see what that is.  sometimes people don't exactly appreciate the offers/insights while others do.  i "work" for those people and  i am none too worried about those that don't.  if i was,  i would have left LP a long time ago and then people would not have gotten the chance that they are going to get.

            this is the 3rd time you have asked me to "cool it" with the God-thing.  since you have addressed me publically,  i will ask you publically......"whats up with that"?  i thought that you claimed to be a believer?  if you are then how come you are trying to put a foot in a door that you should be helping to open?  you are right as this is not a "religious-based" forum.  but God does belong in here because there are alot of people "of faith" that walk these halls.  alot of them incorporate God into every area of their life, not just parts. in that sense he belongs.  so when the subject matter pertains to God,  why the problem?  if you check my posts about God they are most likely  response based.  certainly you are able to skip over what seemingly offends you.  what i don't get is when someone gets offended at something they say they life for.  i can see why pick4 may not like it but you?

            if you are in fact a believer,  its time to give the gift that you have been given...away.  it's not meant for us to hoard.  some will latch on while most will not.  you don't have to shove it down peoples throats, but don't be ashamed of it either.

            none of these people here at LP will be standing next to you on that day.  you will stand alone...

            vision

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            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              vd - i am a believer. just think there's a time and PLACE for everything. i choose to praise God with my daily actions.    don;t really have a problem - unless someone insists theirs is the only right way. love 'ya - emily

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                 in my "journey",  i have yet to find a ''place"  where God didn't belong (lol).  in fact the uglier the place, the greater the need.

                 i wouldn't pretend to know it all,  but i won't pretend with i do know and what i know is this....."IF"  there is a God,  then he surely knows there is only one right way of doing things in life.  i also know that "if" there is a God that he is fully capable of telling us what that is.  and i do know that it is not only up to us to adjust to it,  but to tell others to the best of our ability "how" to adjust as well.  some will take that advice, while others won't.

                 and yes  ......you can call me "VD"

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                  Okay point made let's get back to Lottery Stuff and by the way I'm a believer as well it's just that my beliefs are "MODERN" not from the "MIDDLE AGES".

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                    Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on January 09, 2004



                    I'm a believer as well it's just that my beliefs are "MODERN" not from the "MIDDLE AGES".





                    not just yet.

                    describe for me the difference between "modern" and "middle ages" .....beliefs.

                    i would like your view in how you think God has "changed" over the years?

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                      Hehasnt changed but the way people think he operates has just by reading your long post on the subject we were discussing there were things you said that made me realise the way you think.Not everything you said just the stuff about the "LOTTERY" and that we don't necessarily decide what we want to do with our lives.Hence your comment about wanting to be a Race Car Driver and never achieving it.This I totally disagree with if you want something in life no matter what it is

                      you go for it and never give up if it's truly what you desire.If it doesn't work out figure out why and try again if it still doesn't work out then do something else.This doesn't necessarily mean a Higher Power is trying to tell you what you should really be doing unless you had a VISION which I've read does happen.A person wanting to be a Lawyer has a VISION or Divine Intervention informing him he should be a Missionary or Priest as an example.I don't have a problem with you or your beleifs I respect them but some of the things you say are a matter of opinion not necessarily fact especially if it doesn't make sense in another persons eyes who shares the same personal relationship with the Man Upstairs as you.What I believe may not be a fact either but like I said if you have one side that beleives it and another that doesntthen itsjust your opinion and mine they just differ from one another.But I must admit in this particular case something tells me that what your saying just ain't right and it's not the Devil.


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                        For the RECORD "I WAS MEANT TO WIN" the Lottery as well because I was told so back in 1998.My x-Mother In-Law with who has a "Special Gift" was the one that revealed this to me.

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                          Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on January 09, 2004



                          But I must admit in this particular case something tells me that what your saying just ain't right and it's not the Devil.




                          about what?

                          that there are certain things that "we" are incapable of acheiving ourselves?  because that statement is blantanly obvious.  certain acheivements in life are only attainable when the right amount of circumstance meets ability and BOTH meet fate.   some people can never attain what they would like for various reasons.  it may be physical, it may be mental.  there are all kinds of reasons why people cannot attain a goal.

                          i would never say that people shouldn't try,  but just be realistic about what a person can/cannot become. anyway you shake it,  false hope is a waste of time.  it is a humanistic lie to say to someone that you can be ANYTHING you want to be "if" you try hard enough.  that is not true.  what is true is when you cheer someone on to be all that they were "meant to" be.  sometimes the answer to all of this isn't chrystal clear and so we make the best stab at it.

                          if you believe in God at all,  then you know he has a design.  within the confines of that design, we were meant for certain things.  not everyone is meant for the same thing,  which is the base of humanistic thinking.  you have certain talents that i do not possess and that is because your life was designed for a different purpose than mine was.  you have the choice to bypass that design, or you can live within it.  that is why i said that people can waste their time pursuing things they were never meant to be or have,  all because they didn't like the original plans and all because they bought into that lie that said they could become anything they wanted to be.

                          we do not have near the control over our lives that your line of thinking suggests.  but God does.  he is the one that opens and shuts doors. he is the dispenser of talents and opportunities.  believe me when i say that i want people to succeed and be all that they can be.  i just won't sit back and let people buy into that "we are ALL meant to".  some are and some are not and because there is a design behind it,  "neither" is a barometer of success.  success that lasts and is meaningful is being what you were designed to be.  nothing more and nothing less.

                          what "qualifications" did the person have that told you...you were "meant to"?  you see that there are many people out there telling people that, but have no "authority" to do so as only God knows the future.  what "special gift"  did she have?  this world is riddled with people giving out false hope just so people can "feel" better about their future.  i am curious as to why God didn't tell you first and instead told someone else.  if it is within his plan, he would have told you.

                          secondly please explain where i departed in the way that God does things by intimating i have "middle ages" mentality.  i will be glad to show you thru history on how God has dealt with his creation and that i have represented that accurately here.   that he created us to live within his design and that people have removed themselves from that design, prefering their own over Gods.  look at our society and how self sufficient we have become.  the "i can do it all on my own and i will consult God ONLY when i need him" is the norm rather than the exception.  the "if i am meant to" is as current today as it was in the beginning of creation.  holding God off at arms length and then using him as our personal concierge is "modern"...

                          "you are either meant to, or you are not".....and your adjustment to that will determine your level of peace in life.

                          "the LOT is cast into the lap and it's every decision is from the Lord"    ...proverbs

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                            VISIONDUDE you know that GOD doesn't necessarily SPEAK to us HIMSELF he may relay his message through other means that he decides.For example let's say GOD spoke to you personally to inform you that you will WIN the Lottery but in my case he chose a DIFFERENT means of letting me know like my X-Mother in-law.Don't doubt me as if your the only person in this Forum that's ALLOWED to win the Lottery.I never disputed your claims that you were told you would win I just dispute your comments that HE decides who wins or not.Does he decide who wins the SuperBowl? does he decide who wins at a Casino? or Poker Tournament? answer that question.If I were with the LA LAKERS and we were playing ORLANDO MAGIC for the NBA Championship is it God's decision who wins or the Players skill and ability at work.I know more about the Man upstairs then you think I just don't discuss it Publicly unless I read something that doesn't make sense.Everything you say makes sense until you start talking about stuff like this.I even agree with your comment that we can't be whatever we want in life after discussing it with my father.I let him read all of your post and since he's a Religious MAN he was able to explain where you were coming from but the only thing he had a problem with was your comment about GOD deciding who wins the Lottery.He explained what you meant about Jack Whittaker recieving his Lottery Windfall as a means to help others but the problem with that is Mr.Whittaker was already a MILLIONNAIRE so he didn't need $319million dollars to do Gods work or whatever it is he's suppose to do for recieveing this so called gift.He could do it with the money he earns from his Construction business so I seriously doubt GOD had anything to do with him winning that money.Also you said that unless a person was told personally by GOD that they were going to WIN they shouldn't waste there time playing the lottery.Well that's wrong also because there have been many people that have won that were'nt told a thing.For example in 1995 a young man who just turned 18 played the Lottery for the first time and hit the Jackpot he said he always wanted to play to see what the big deal was so he bought a ticket.There was no VISION or Divine Intervention telling him to play he just bought a ticket and WON.Another example is a Man who bought a Lottery ticket to prove to his family that it's impossible to win he kept telling them to stop wasting there money because they would never win.To prove his point he gave his older son $1 to play and they won $1.25 million dollars.Not everyone that wins uses the money to help others referring to your comment that people that win are recieving a gift from GOD to help people.There are too many examples I can give you that are contrary to what your saying for me to believe it.So having said that let's end this discussion and move on to other things like discussing Lottery related topics.As for my comment about about you having beliefs stuck in the Middle Ages let's just say that I have encountered your type before and I know what I'm talking about you know too much about GOD and the BIBLE for your own good that certain things you say seem to go a little too far.It's just a game it's not a MIRACLE or DIVINE Entity that requires GOD's permission to play and win or not there are too many factors involved in this world that make your statement unbelievable.But anyway continue buying your 1 ticket and I'll continue using my strategies and I hope everyone that plays WINS not just Christians,Catholics,Jehovah Witness or whatever religion a person is affiliated with.Everyone deserves to WIN especially when people that don't appreciate it or do the wrong things with the money they won.

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                              Amen...

                              May the warm winds of heaven blow softly upon your house. May  the Great Spirit bless all who enter there. May your mocassins make happy tracks in many snows. And may the rainbow always touch your shoulder.

                                 
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