Welcome Guest
Log In | Register )
You last visited December 11, 2016, 4:50 am
All times shown are
Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again

Topic closed. 56 replies. Last post 9 years ago by psykomo.

Page 2 of 4
54
PrintE-mailLink
Avatar
NASHVILLE, TENN
United States
Member #33372
February 20, 2006
1044 Posts
Offline
Posted: April 9, 2008, 11:50 am - IP Logged

Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:

 

 

because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers

 

If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.

 

Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this?

    konane's avatar - wallace
    Atlanta, GA
    United States
    Member #1265
    March 13, 2003
    3333 Posts
    Offline
    Posted: April 9, 2008, 12:03 pm - IP Logged

    Lately in Georgia with ball draw we've had the same digits drawn in Cash 3 back to back or within a few days of one another ..... have seen comments on LP wondering what's happening when we see the draw take place before our very eyes.

    In the case of Tennessee the same digits were drawn within 4 draws ..... behind closed door with no players being able to watch the actual drawing ........ which certainly raises suspicions discussed here and in other posts about Tennessee's RNG's.

    Nothing feels random about the same digits in 4 consecutive draws, does it??????  What?

    Good luck to everyone!

      Todd's avatar - Cylon 2.gif
      Chief Bottle Washer
      New Jersey
      United States
      Member #1
      May 31, 2000
      23277 Posts
      Online
      Posted: April 9, 2008, 12:10 pm - IP Logged

      Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:

       

       

      because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers

       

      If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.

       

      Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this?

      The observation made by Pick-4_Master is not relevant to this discussion, because we are not talking about one digit being drawn on consecutive days, or being "out" for a couple weeks.

      We are talking about all three digits matching several draws in a row, and not just happening once:  it happened just last month too!

      The odds of that taking place are astronomical, and you'd have to try very hard to find another time, in any state, where it has happened.  Perhaps it's never happened, I'm not sure.

       

      Check the State Lottery Report Card
      What grade did your lottery earn?

       

      Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
      Help eliminate computerized drawings!

        JADELottery's avatar - MeAtWork 03.PNG
        The Quantum Master
        West Concord, MN
        United States
        Member #21
        December 7, 2001
        3675 Posts
        Offline
        Posted: April 9, 2008, 12:40 pm - IP Logged

        369 only showed up once in that entire list. Where are you going with that? Also, Mid-day and evening are 2 separate drawings.

        it's not the 369 combo by itself. it is the selection of 3, 6 and 9 individually over that period. yes, there just happens to be a 369 combo, but it also has the highest payout, too. that payout also adds to the suspicion of the particular numbers of 3, 6 and 9.

        Presented 'AS IS' and for Entertainment Purposes Only.
        Any gain or loss is your responsibility.
        Use at your own risk.

        Order is a Subset of Chaos
        Knowledge is Beyond Belief
        Wisdom is Not Censored
        Douglas Paul Smallish
        Jehocifer

          four4me's avatar - gate1
          MD
          United States
          Member #1701
          June 18, 2003
          8366 Posts
          Offline
          Posted: April 9, 2008, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

          I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.

          Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.

          How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.

           

          CASH 312/25/2007Evening369$120,290.00

          Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                         I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
            Captain Lotto's avatar - CaptLotto
            Jefferson City, MO
            United States
            Member #55250
            September 20, 2007
            97 Posts
            Offline
            Posted: April 9, 2008, 1:28 pm - IP Logged

            3-6-9 is one of the most popular numbers consistently played in Pick 3 games.  Look it up- there will be a big payout EVERY time that number hits, especially straight. 

            Captain Lotto

            "Every day is a good day!"

              Captain Lotto's avatar - CaptLotto
              Jefferson City, MO
              United States
              Member #55250
              September 20, 2007
              97 Posts
              Offline
              Posted: April 9, 2008, 1:50 pm - IP Logged

              OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right? 

              4/7 eve 5-2-7   4/7 mid  1-4-7   4/6 eve  4-2-7

              4/4 eve 3-8-9  4/4 mid 6-0-9   4/3 eve 8-9-3

              3/22 mid  1-7-9  3/21 eve 7-1-9  3/21 mid 9-1-7  3/20 eve  8-3-5  3/20 mid 3-5-8

              2/19 eve  4-3-6  2/19 mid  4-6-3  2/18  eve 2-4-3

              1/15 eve eve 0-2-0  1/15 mid  0-0-8  1/14 eve  0-0-2  1/14 mid  9-2-0

              12/1 eve 0-4-3  12/1 mid  2-4-3  11/30 eve  2-3-3  11/30  mid  0-3-3

              10/27  eve  1-7-3  10/27 mid 1-7-3

              Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers.  Where's the conspiracy 

              Captain Lotto

              "Every day is a good day!"

                ToadSchmode's avatar - aquas1

                United States
                Member #53834
                July 23, 2007
                467 Posts
                Offline
                Posted: April 9, 2008, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

                the same combo coming out 3 times in a row really isnt that big of a deal..look at this way

                ..Have you ever seen the digit 1( or any single digit) repeat in 3 straight draws..Yes!!!

                 

                Have you ever seen a pair like 12( or any other pair) repeat for 3 straight draws in a row...Yes!!!

                 

                the same combo is the samething..its just part of the same group..it has happened many times before..it will happen many times to come..haha

                 

                Did you notice the pay out increase on the 3rd 077...it went UP!!!!..hahaha

                CT- 3/11 659 Mid

                CT- 3/12  695 Mid 695 Eve

                Only know you've been high when your feeling low...Passenger Guitar


                  United States
                  Member #57551
                  January 9, 2008
                  841 Posts
                  Offline
                  Posted: April 9, 2008, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

                  Lottery draws same numbers 3 days in a row; same thing happened last month

                  When will the Tenn. Lottery dump the computer draws?

                  Seven was a lucky number for Tennessee lottery players last week. A very, very, very lucky number.

                  For three consecutive days, the winning ticket in the Cash 3 drawing was some combination of two sevens and a zero. Thursday, the winning Cash 3 number at midday was 0-7-7. Friday, the winning midday number was 7-0-7. And Saturday evening, the winning number was again 0-7-7.

                  It was the second time in two months that winning lotto number combinations repeated in consecutive games. In March, the Cash 4 drawings paid out for 1-3-7-2, 1-7-2-3, and 2-3-7-1 over the course of two days.

                  Lottery officials say the equipment has been checked, certified, audited and checked again. The repeating numbers, they say, are a statistical coincidence.

                  "We're always watching, monitoring and testing. We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating," said lottery spokeswoman Kym Gerlock.

                  Last year, a software error in the lottery's computer equipment generated winning numbers for several weeks that never had repeated digits. That meant that people who chose numbers with duplicate digits, such as 5-4-5 or 9-9-9-8, had no chance of winning.

                  That glitch prompted the state to call in an outside computer review and launch its own audit of the Tennessee lottery computers. Gerlock said the equipment has been certified and passed a compliance audit by the outside auditing firm KPMG Canada. The audit also cleared the computers that Tennessee uses in lieu of traditional pingpong-ball lottery machines.

                  Bruce Cooil, associate professor of management at Vanderbilt's Owen School of Management, studies the probability of rare events.

                  "In the Cash 3 Lottery, the probability is less than 1 in 10,000 that one would see the same three numbers in various orders for three of the last four winning numbers," he said. He thinks the lottery should check its equipment.

                  But Rafe Donahue, adjunct associate professor of biostatistics at Vanderbilt, has watched the Tennessee lottery computers in action and said he was impressed by the precautions the system takes to ensure its random drawings are honestly random.

                  Two bills that would switch the lottery back to using ping-pong balls are pending in the legislature.

                  Thanks to four4me for the tip.

                  NO WAY ...NO HOW!!!

                  2 days in a row..maybe. It has happened!

                  But 3 days Disapprove

                  I wouldn't spend dime one in Tenn.

                  I have a hard a time enough believing in the 100% integrity of regular BALL DRAWS in my own home state let alone some computer that can calculate HOUSE STAKES vs ACTUAL # OF BETTERS .

                  Maybe it's a lack of understanding. But I don't get how in BALL DRAW states why they run several tests before the actual draw.

                  IS IT LIMITED TO "x" amount of pre-draw tests?

                  Or do LOTTERY OFFICIALS get to choose the number of "dry run tests" ?

                    JADELottery's avatar - MeAtWork 03.PNG
                    The Quantum Master
                    West Concord, MN
                    United States
                    Member #21
                    December 7, 2001
                    3675 Posts
                    Offline
                    Posted: April 9, 2008, 3:03 pm - IP Logged

                    I think those of you in and around TN should rape the TN Lottery for everything you can the next time something like this happens. Play that 'hunch' and suck the life out their profits. I think if they see a payout of $5,000,000.00 on one Pick 3 draw they'd really do something about it.

                    Presented 'AS IS' and for Entertainment Purposes Only.
                    Any gain or loss is your responsibility.
                    Use at your own risk.

                    Order is a Subset of Chaos
                    Knowledge is Beyond Belief
                    Wisdom is Not Censored
                    Douglas Paul Smallish
                    Jehocifer

                      fbird's avatar - nw archer.jpg
                      White Lake,Mi
                      United States
                      Member #1495
                      May 12, 2003
                      5546 Posts
                      Offline
                      Posted: April 9, 2008, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

                      OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right? 

                      4/7 eve 5-2-7   4/7 mid  1-4-7   4/6 eve  4-2-7

                      4/4 eve 3-8-9  4/4 mid 6-0-9   4/3 eve 8-9-3

                      3/22 mid  1-7-9  3/21 eve 7-1-9  3/21 mid 9-1-7  3/20 eve  8-3-5  3/20 mid 3-5-8

                      2/19 eve  4-3-6  2/19 mid  4-6-3  2/18  eve 2-4-3

                      1/15 eve eve 0-2-0  1/15 mid  0-0-8  1/14 eve  0-0-2  1/14 mid  9-2-0

                      12/1 eve 0-4-3  12/1 mid  2-4-3  11/30 eve  2-3-3  11/30  mid  0-3-3

                      10/27  eve  1-7-3  10/27 mid 1-7-3

                      Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers.  Where's the conspiracy 

                      CL...actually what you have shown, is normal. 60% of the times, 1 digit will repeat from one drawing to the next ( midday to midday and evening to evening ). 2 digit returns average about 1 in 6 draws and they can move eve to eve and midday to eve or eve to midday and midday to midday, for the 2 digit returns....I will generally watch for those that are out  for awhile and play them. But what has happened in Tenn........WOW !!!!!!!!!

                      Also. what you have shown is over 6 months and it does happen from time to time...even here in michigan...but Tenn is a whole different animal............

                      VAL

                      Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me: I may not follow.

                      Just walk beside me and be my friend.

                                Albert Camus

                        jarasan's avatar - new patrick.gif
                        Harbinger
                        D.C./MD.
                        United States
                        Member #44103
                        July 30, 2006
                        5583 Posts
                        Offline
                        Posted: April 9, 2008, 9:38 pm - IP Logged

                        I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.

                        Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.

                        How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.

                         

                        CASH 312/25/2007Evening369$120,290.00

                        It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.

                        Go to fullsize image  Goes into.

                         

                        Go to fullsize image I miss my baby.

                          four4me's avatar - gate1
                          MD
                          United States
                          Member #1701
                          June 18, 2003
                          8366 Posts
                          Offline
                          Posted: April 9, 2008, 10:14 pm - IP Logged

                          It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.

                          Go to fullsize image  Goes into.

                           

                          Go to fullsize image I miss my baby.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine
                          [ Generation 1: "W" Series 
                          348 available from 1958 to 1961
                          409 available from 1961 to 1965
                          427 (Z11) available only in 1963

                          2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
                          396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
                          402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models 
                          1965 Chevrolet Corvette
                          1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
                          1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
                          1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
                          1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
                          1965-1972 Full-size models
                           
                          427 was introduced in 1966
                          454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
                          572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
                           
                          And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.
                            jarasan's avatar - new patrick.gif
                            Harbinger
                            D.C./MD.
                            United States
                            Member #44103
                            July 30, 2006
                            5583 Posts
                            Offline
                            Posted: April 9, 2008, 11:55 pm - IP Logged
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine
                            [ Generation 1: "W" Series 
                            348 available from 1958 to 1961
                            409 available from 1961 to 1965
                            427 (Z11) available only in 1963

                            2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
                            396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
                            402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models 
                            1965 Chevrolet Corvette
                            1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
                            1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
                            1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
                            1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
                            1965-1972 Full-size models
                             
                            427 was introduced in 1966
                            454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
                            572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
                             
                            And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.

                            Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.

                            But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads.  No biggie.

                            The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response.  If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force!

                              four4me's avatar - gate1
                              MD
                              United States
                              Member #1701
                              June 18, 2003
                              8366 Posts
                              Offline
                              Posted: April 10, 2008, 1:04 am - IP Logged

                              Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.

                              But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads.  No biggie.

                              The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response.  If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force!

                              350 Chevy engine

                               one of my favorite numbers

                              While i am mostly into big blocks more has been done to the 350 engine then just about any engine. Gorilla motor comes to mind. You can mix and mingle 400 Chevy parts cranks etc and build just about any street or strip aplication. All depends on how deep your pockets are.