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Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again

Topic closed. 56 replies. Last post 9 years ago by psykomo.

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konane's avatar - wallace
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Posted: April 13, 2008, 9:38 am - IP Logged

Ky Floyd...have you ever gone to Play Bingo anywhere....

 

They have all the balls out in their hole before they start bingo and have someone come up and check the machine TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BALLS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR before they start playing..after that there is no pretesting the balls..or machines..or none of that bullcrap..

 

You Know what..I am 45 years old..and I have been playing Bingo since I was a little boy with my Mom..maybe..once or twice in the past 30 years or so have I ever seen the BINGO BALL SHOOT, shoot out a number and it Bounced around on the floor..they just picked it up and put it in the monitor so everyone could see it..NO BIG DEAL...now..is the lotteries machines and balls made by some 3rd world country whos craftsmanship is so shabby that they have to test GOD KNOWS how many times before and probably God knows how many times after a draw..there is nothing wrong with their equipment..their equipment works just fine..and will work just fine and even if a ball does get stuck..SO WHAT...HAVE an observer there to reach in and get it out..They try to make things much harder than they should be..

 

TO make sure the Equipment works fine...<snip>...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..

 

ANY COMBINATION..I dont care if it is ONE BALL..2 BALLS..3 BALLS..10 balls..it will mess up NATURAL FLOW..because the next combination they take out SHOULD BE NEXT..oh I am wired up now..hahaha..I only found out about these pretests draws after joining LP here 2 years ago..because I always wondered why I worked up a set of numbers they wouldnt show til months later or longer and I knew there was something wrong and didnt know what it was..now I do!!!!

Lotterybraker said   "TO make sure the Equipment works fine...<snip>...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..  "

 

With bingo multiple games are drawn one after the other after things are verified working. 

After any ball drop lottery game is drawn those balls are put back in their container and locked securely away. 

They perform pre and post draw testing to make sure someone has not replaced ballsets with some "loaded" to effect an outcome of a future game .... implications of that are enormous.

Each game drawn is separate and stands on its own merit, therefore undergo testing for randomness before actual drawing.

Pre and post testing trips me up as far as what I think should be falling ..... but understand because of the above reasons it is absolutely necessary to insure nothing has been tampered with while under lock and key.

Good luck to everyone!

    four4me's avatar - gate1
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    Posted: April 13, 2008, 11:53 am - IP Logged

    If you actually think that having the pre draw results and the real draw results along with the after draw results will give you anymore edge over the game then you would have not knowing the pre draw results and the after draw results. Your dreaming there is no indication that knowing these results will give you a better chance at winning the next draw. The main reason i say this is because you have know way of knowing what ball sets will be used for any draw. And even if you did you would still have no way of knowing what number will be drawn.

      konane's avatar - wallace
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      Posted: April 13, 2008, 12:15 pm - IP Logged

      Normally they state which ballset was used for a given draw, also sometimes the machine. 

      Florida used to post both on their site but believe they may not now.  I used to get that info from the TX lottery also, haven't looked or ask lately. 

      Some time ago I inquired about GA you had to go to the Georgia Lottery headquarters to view the information but was available upon request. 

      Personally I believe it should be published on every lottery's website for examination .... then everyone would know how many ballsets they're using for a given game.  That last tidbit is quite helpful especially if the structure of the game seems to have changed [not including switching to RNG] and you can't get a handle on what's been done to cause it.   Cool 

      Good luck to everyone!

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        Posted: April 13, 2008, 8:14 pm - IP Logged

        I propose instead a bill that requires the program code itself and the source device i.e. WNG that generates the drawings, to be public information like the draw history is. Perhaps also to have the store terminals use the same program code for QP so that if you got QP you're on an even playing field. I speculate that the program is trying to be "fair" by having the sums add up some certain way so that there would be no bias but in doing so caused more bias. You in TN have a golden opportunity to figure out *why* a certain combination would come out.

          Captain Lotto's avatar - CaptLotto
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          Posted: April 14, 2008, 9:44 am - IP Logged

          Definition of random -proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

          Captain Lotto

          "Every day is a good day!"

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            Posted: April 15, 2008, 11:18 am - IP Logged

            i bet tennesse loses a lot of money b/c they don't use ping pong balls. i check the website every now and then and never see a lot of winners. if nc started to use computerized drawings I would drive to va more often

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              Posted: April 16, 2008, 1:30 pm - IP Logged

              My guess is that they have a proplem in there intial seed.

              Same input leads to same output. Regardless of of what uniform process they use derive values of digits.

                littlejsing's avatar - DiscoBallGlowing

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                Posted: April 17, 2008, 9:27 am - IP Logged

                My guess is that they have a proplem in there intial seed.

                Same input leads to same output. Regardless of of what uniform process they use derive values of digits.

                Yesterday the same numbers were drawn for the midday and evening. That's the second time in less than a month. I will not be playing TN lottery again until they bring back the mechanical ball drawings.  I believe Tn's computerized system has been compromised.

                  littlejsing's avatar - DiscoBallGlowing

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                  Posted: April 17, 2008, 9:35 am - IP Logged

                  Yesterday the same numbers were drawn for the midday and evening. That's the second time in less than a month. I will not be playing TN lottery again until they bring back the mechanical ball drawings.  I believe Tn's computerized system has been compromised.

                  I just checked the past winning numbers in TENN.  The same numbers for midday and evening hit on April 4&5.  Look at the winning numbers for March til present.  It definitely looks like a pattern.  Save your past winning tickets because they may owe refunds +$1 for this!

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                    Posted: May 1, 2008, 5:37 pm - IP Logged
                    This may come in handy for some people.
                    The National Council on Problem Gambling
                    216 G Street NE, Ste 200
                    Washington, DC 20002
                    Phone 202.547.9204
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                      Posted: May 1, 2008, 6:11 pm - IP Logged

                      To put this in some kind of perspective, the probability of selecting a back to back combination from any of these set of Pick 3 numbers, {077, 707}, three times is (2 out of 1000) ^ 3 or 8 out of 1,000,000,000; this reduces down to 1 out of 125,000,000. Here are a few other games with their probabilities: Powerball - 1 out of 146,107,962 / Mega Millions - 1 out of 175,711,536 / my state’s Megabucks Pick 6 of 49 - 1 out of 13,983,816. That is the probability of winning those lotteries on the first try using only one combination or play. There is actually a better probability of winning my state’s lottery the first time using only one play combination by a factor of 8.9 times.

                      Also, keep in mind the original probability is 8 out of 1 BILLION... That’s BILLION with a ‘B’.

                      THANK's>>>>>>>>>JL>>>>>>>FOR UR PERSPECTIVE>>>

                      BUTT & there is alway's a BUTT in the CROWD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                      but....why not GIVE the PEOPLE of this GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>STATE

                      what>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........THEY WANT????

                      No<<<<No<<<<<No<<<<........RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      KISS>>>OFF lottery commie

                      this is the GREAT>>>>>STATE of TENNESSEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

                      LOL

                      PSYKOMO

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                        THANK's>>>>>>>>>JL>>>>>>>FOR UR PERSPECTIVE>>>

                        BUTT & there is alway's a BUTT in the CROWD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                        but....why not GIVE the PEOPLE of this GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>STATE

                        what>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........THEY WANT????

                        No<<<<No<<<<<No<<<<........RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        KISS>>>OFF lottery commie

                        this is the GREAT>>>>>STATE of TENNESSEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

                        LOL

                        PSYKOMO

                        TRANSLATION:

                        GO>>>>>>>BACK to the FUTURE>>>>>>>>>"BACK to the FUTURE"

                        of the LOTTERY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with o!o BALL's.!.

                        AFTER ALL......the people who PLAY this stupid>>>>>game....PAYE'$

                        not the DICK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HEAD's who RUN-IT<<<<

                        POWER TO the PEOPLE of Tennessee!!!

                        LOL

                        PSYKOMO