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Lawyer gives up $14 million Iowa lottery ticket claim

Topic closed. 60 replies. Last post 6 years ago by psykomo.

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Monkey Butt, USA
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Posted: January 26, 2012, 10:48 pm - IP Logged


If I ever find myself in a situation like this and I wanted my identity protected, I'd most certainly want a lawyer like this to represent me.

Since I do not know the inside information on what is going on, it is not my place to speculate. Why the Iowa Lottery officials had such a hard on to know who the ticket purchaser is/was is beyond me.

I expect to see a lot more of these cases popping up in the near future. Meaning, there will be no more options to collect annonomously. And I also suspect that the lottery commissions will use this method as a way to justify not paying out. Add to the soup a little, the lottery commission will begin releasing winners identities for all predators and moochers.

Mr. Shaw's background is irrevelant to cashing in the ticket. Put yourself in the winning seat and try to cash in a ticket. How much would you really appreciate being treated like a crimminal?

It is easy for us to say, it's no big deal because we are not there. Notice how the lottery commission had no problem running their mouths to the press about Mr. Shaw. What make you think they would keep their mouth shut about you if you were the real winner?

How many of you would appreciate the world knowing about all of your financial failures or the failures of people you know? How many of you would like to have your past drug into the public eye and examined by any and all to see and judge?

How much are you willing to sell your privacy for?

What's your selling price?

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    Posted: January 26, 2012, 11:05 pm - IP Logged

    If a bit of stonewalling let's the state keep whatever the cash value is on $14MM, it's a safe bet they'll do this more often.

    In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
    Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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      Posted: January 26, 2012, 11:35 pm - IP Logged

      It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say "I'm not going to reveal the name of the person who won that $14.2 million.",and just walk away. That's easy for Crawford Shaw to say.Where is the winner of this big jackpot?.I would love to know.Perhaps the winner met some bad fate.If I was the winner of $14.2 million lottery jackpot,I would reveal myself.Wow.This is some strange case.

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        Posted: January 27, 2012, 12:25 am - IP Logged

        Strangest winner story ever?  Lawyer sacrifices $14 million jackpot to prevent lottery from learning the winner's identity

        The New York lawyer who tried to redeem a multi-million dollar lottery ticket in Iowa last month — only to have his claim called into question by officials demanding to know who he represented — is giving up the quest for the jackpot.

        Crawford Shaw, 76, said on Thursday he was withdrawing his claim to a Hot Lotto ticket worth up to $14.3 million "because I'm not going to argue with the lottery."

        Shaw's decision would appear to end what Iowa lottery officials called the strangest jackpot pursuit they had ever experienced.

        The winning ticket was turned in December 29, less than two hours before it would have expired a year after the drawing. Iowa Lottery officials tested and validated the ticket, but refused to pay out the winnings until they could verify the purchaser's identity, among other things.

        Shaw, who had signed the ticket as a trustee for an entity he called the Hexam Investment Trust, never revealed who was in the trust.

        Iowa Lottery officials gave him a deadline: Tell us who you represent by 3 p.m. Friday afternoon or forget about collecting the millions.

        In the meantime, the lottery said it had learned that Shaw was "associated with criminal proceedings and bankruptcy filings in New York and Delaware," and officials were investigating.

        Shaw is the former chief executive officer of Industrial Enterprises of America Inc., a bankrupt public company that the Manhattan District Attorney's office said was looted in a $100 million securities fraud scheme.

        Shaw, who was not charged with criminal wrongdoing, is a defendant in a civil suit by the company. He claims to know nothing about the suit.

        In any case, he chose to call it quits on Thursday, telling Reuters he had asked a local law firm to pass along his decision to lottery officials.

        A spokeswoman for the lottery said they had not received notice of withdrawal from Shaw as of late Thursday afternoon.

        "We are checking with the local counsel," said the spokeswoman, Mary Neubauer.

        the ticket was stolen. period

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          Posted: January 27, 2012, 2:23 am - IP Logged



          Give it to a good charity.

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            Posted: January 27, 2012, 2:48 am - IP Logged

            I don't think the ticket was stolen, I do think it probably has something to do with the Bankruptcy so whatever.

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              Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:01 am - IP Logged

              They might as well pay it if they're not going to give the people who built that pot another chance to win it.

              Why should Iowa get to keep it?

              Hot Lotto is a multi-state game so every state that contributed to that jackpot should get their money back, not just Iowa.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning one * 
                            Evil Looking       

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                Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:08 am - IP Logged

                Let's think this one through.  Shaw didn't say he wasn't going to tell the lottery commission who the trust beneficiaries are because they'd instructed him not to; he said he wasn't because "he wasn't going to argue with the lottery commission".   HE wasn't; not the beneficiaries.  If he's truly representing someone, then how do you think they'd feel about his giving up the $14 million they'd won?  What's even more interesting is a report this evening about how the trust had been established AFTER the lottery drawing had taken place, meaning this investment trust was more than likely established for the sole purpose of shielding the lottery proceeds, meaning it wasn't established earlier by someone rich as a general investment trust & the lottery win just happened to be something they'd add to an already large pot of cash.  The obvious conclusion is it had nothing to do with anyone besides himself; the upshot is, he's either the winner himself & created this trust to shelter the lottery proceeds from the opposing attornies of his civil case (so it couldn't be seized if he lost his case) or he'd stolen the ticket & tried to shelter this fact by creating the trust to shield the name of the winner, but realized that his scheme wouldn't work so he gave up.  It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out...

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                  Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:11 am - IP Logged

                  The judgmentalism on here is amazing...It's one thing to speculate but not state  "the ticket was stolen period." Whosever ticket it was they have their reasons for letting it go or maybe it was stolen but nothing is affirmative... I'am not taking any sides but rather appreciating our differences & with that comes different approaches...Anyway good luck to all players!!!

                  You can't win if you ain't in!!!!Wink

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                    Posted: January 27, 2012, 4:56 am - IP Logged

                    I keep coming back to Shaw's statement that he was giving up "his pursuit of the ticket because he didn't want to argue with the lottery".  HE didn't want to argue, HIS pursuit.  He didn't say he was giving up the beneficiaries pursuit of the lottery proceeds, or that the beneficiaries had instructed him to withdraw.  It just smells to high heaven.  And, it immediately becomes suspect, as the 2 most publicized times to claim a lottery prize are right after the drawing and right before the ticket is set to expire.  Also, Shaw mis-spells the name of the trust that he supposedly set up himself for the supposed beneficiaries?  Also, Shaw (a Delaware Lawyer) represents someone who won in Iowa?  One thing I can understand, 2 things makes me wonder, more than 2 starts to stink up the place.  Also, if I'm someone who wins $14 million and has a choice of getting the money & publicity vs. no publicity & no money, I'm choosing the money; with that money, you could consult with a security expert & minimize your profile so you retain your annonymity; no one turns down $14 million because of a press conference, regardless of their situation.  Throw in the fact that Shaw is an accused fraudster in a $100 million company fraud & is currently being sued in civil court over that, and I'd have to side with the Iowa Lottery Commission on this one...

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                      Posted: January 27, 2012, 5:29 am - IP Logged

                      The lottery has video showing who bought the ticket and probably the car they were driving, so the investigator has probably already interviewed this person .  they know exactly what has happened. They are just calling Mr shaw's bluff. Lottery officials know rules were broken, so they have always known shaws claim would be denied. They are just trying to get him to confess to his scam.

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                        Posted: January 27, 2012, 6:06 am - IP Logged

                        Ok this is what gets me.I have read all this mess from the start.Lottery officals said saw store footage of person buying ticket,which is very possible.Forget the state where this happened before but months before the ticket was to expire the unkown state posted picture on local tv news showing picture of person buying ticket and name of the store and the rightful winners came forward said he had placed ticket down on truck dashboard and forgot about it after several friends saws news broadcast informed him and he found ticket and cashed it in get prize money.My point here is most stores have camera's and lottery can pinpoint the time and store of the winning tickets on all tickets sold.both scratch and big bucks lottery tickets.Why do state lottery officals not do this on all large winning tickets say anything of 10,000.00 or larger.Answer lotteries can take this money free and clear period.I say either look for rightful owner by footage on store video and if that is not possible then pot should go back into that game at experation date.Funny how Lottery can investigate a person after comming in to claim yet can not investigate before it expires.

                          New York, NY
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                          Posted: January 27, 2012, 7:45 am - IP Logged

                           Yes i agree. They should find a way of making 14 Iowans lucky by winning one million dollars each.

                            metro Atlanta area
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                            Posted: January 27, 2012, 7:48 am - IP Logged

                            They might as well pay it if they're not going to give the people who built that pot another chance to win it.

                            Why should Iowa get to keep it?

                            They aren't keeping it.


                            "The unclaimed money will go toward future prizes, Rich said."



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                              Posted: January 27, 2012, 7:54 am - IP Logged

                              If I ran the Iowa Lottery this would not be the end of the story.I'd prosecute Shaw for attempted theft by deception or some such law.I'd put him behind bars at Fort Madison (Iowas maximum security prison).I'd make him wish that he'd never heard of Iowa.

                              I Agree!

                              And perhaps force him to spit shine Iowa's lottery TOP COP security super star Bogle's shoe's daily for a year or two.  LOL