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Lawyer gives up $14 million Iowa lottery ticket claim

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Posted: January 27, 2012, 8:00 am - IP Logged

Ok this is what gets me.I have read all this mess from the start.Lottery officals said saw store footage of person buying ticket,which is very possible.Forget the state where this happened before but months before the ticket was to expire the unkown state posted picture on local tv news showing picture of person buying ticket and name of the store and the rightful winners came forward said he had placed ticket down on truck dashboard and forgot about it after several friends saws news broadcast informed him and he found ticket and cashed it in get prize money.My point here is most stores have camera's and lottery can pinpoint the time and store of the winning tickets on all tickets sold.both scratch and big bucks lottery tickets.Why do state lottery officals not do this on all large winning tickets say anything of 10,000.00 or larger.Answer lotteries can take this money free and clear period.I say either look for rightful owner by footage on store video and if that is not possible then pot should go back into that game at experation date.Funny how Lottery can investigate a person after comming in to claim yet can not investigate before it expires.

"I say either look for rightful owner by footage on store video and if that is not possible then pot should go back into that game at experation date. Funny how Lottery can investigate a person after comming in to claim yet can not investigate before it expires."


You are a little confused.  Or your point is confused.

"investigage before it expires"?  They investigate ANY TIME A WINNING TICKET IS PRESENTED.  They don't wait until after it expires. 


In this case the person that presented the ticket purposefully waited until the ticket was about to expire.  They waited almost a full 12 months to set in motion this claim.  That's not the lottery's fault.  What they are required to do is make sure the claimant is legal.  That for instance the claimant did not steal the ticket or somehow print a duplicate ticket using lottery computer system (happened before!)


A lottery ticket is a "bearer bond".  So, the person who bought it is not necessarily the "rightful owner" -- they are just the person who bought it. Many people buy lottery tickets and give them away as tips at restaurants or as Christmas present stocking stuffers.  (Remember this ticket was bought in December 2010.)

With a "bearer bond", whoever owns the ticket when presented is the owner.  If you don't intend to give your ticket away to someone, you should sign the ticket as soon as you buy it.  Then, no one except you can claim it.


When this lawyer presented the ticket, all he had to do was show the chain of possession to make sure nothing illegal took place.  He declined to do that.  Therefore, he doesn't get to claim the money.  Otherwise other criminals would figure out how to replicate this. 



"Iowa Lottery CEO Terry Rich said Thursday that it's the strangest situation officials can recall in the 26-year history of the lottery. He declined to speculate on the details of the claim, saying if he knew more than what's been released, lottery officials would probably be writing a check to a winner."

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120127/US.Mystery.Millionaire/?cid=hero_media

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    Posted: January 27, 2012, 8:11 am - IP Logged

    i would't mind seein some lawyers go to jail.

    but some criminals go to jail and come out lawyers.

    You are exactly right.  I know someone personally who did just that and because of him, 5 men who were wrongfully convicted have come home to their families.

    Personally, I believe this lawyer may have stolen the ticket from a person who is either dead or ignorant of the fact that they won the lottery.Crying

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      Posted: January 27, 2012, 8:16 am - IP Logged

      Ok let me clairify my answer.Lottery said it was investigated and I would assume footage was watched from store cam,maybe not but if not should be a rulling that all states and lottery should be filmed then watched by lottery and if ticket is unclaimed 1 month prior to experation then lottery post footage on tv news showing person buying ticket,doesn't make any difference he/she kept ticket or gave ticket as a gift he/she would know whom the ticket was given too.Plus article says money from this will go towards further pots what does that mean.ffurther pots already have money paid towards them this should either be rolled over nto that game,this money has already been put there by all the players not the lottery office.We can't investigate what the lottery does with all the money the collect.Lottery offices claim so much goes back to local towns/cities but my town/city doesn't have any better roads/school's showing from any money comming from lottery.All I'm saying is not much being done by lotteries to find rightfull owner of lottery winnings.Then again could have been bought by Whitey Bulgar think he was vacationing there around that time.

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        Posted: January 27, 2012, 8:18 am - IP Logged

        I read a story this morning in the Des Moines Register that says that Shaw (the lawyer) never met the people involved in the trust.They are from the small country of Belize,according to Shaw.The story just keeps getting stranger.

         

        http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120127/NEWS/301270040/-14-3-million-Hot-Lotto-prize-claim-withdrawn?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

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            Posted: January 27, 2012, 9:06 am - IP Logged

            My thought was that the guy or gal who won may have had active warrants for some serious crimes and knew he would get caught by coming forward.

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              Sue, the next chapter.

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                My thought was that the guy or gal who won may have had active warrants for some serious crimes and knew he would get caught by coming forward.

                I would be a rich prisoner.  Green laugh

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                  So let me see if i got this right. You are supposed to tell the lottery whose hands the ticket passed thru. So suppose u leave a dollar for ur roommate to pick a ticket up for u cause ure sick at home. He then goes to work and is too busy to buy ticket he has his coworker buy it for him. He then returns home and gives u the ticket. Ur roommate dies from an accident or heart attack of something so u never had any idea who the coworker was that actually bought the ticket. Is Iowa gonna do a full investigation to get that coworkers name. Secondly supposed u beat the odds and find a ticket on the ground that turns out to be a winner. How would the lottery prove ur lying or not.


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                    So let me see if i got this right. You are supposed to tell the lottery whose hands the ticket passed thru. So suppose u leave a dollar for ur roommate to pick a ticket up for u cause ure sick at home. He then goes to work and is too busy to buy ticket he has his coworker buy it for him. He then returns home and gives u the ticket. Ur roommate dies from an accident or heart attack of something so u never had any idea who the coworker was that actually bought the ticket. Is Iowa gonna do a full investigation to get that coworkers name. Secondly supposed u beat the odds and find a ticket on the ground that turns out to be a winner. How would the lottery prove ur lying or not.

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                      Posted: January 27, 2012, 12:09 pm - IP Logged

                      peppy 007 you have 2 options if you find the ticket on the ground 1. is I lost it and will come and get it if you call me and give you a reward. 2. if you are without friends then go to local newspaper or television station and tell them you found it and looking for the rightful owner to call you to pick it up. I myself think option 1 is the way to go

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                        ok suppose I do have the death certificate. U think that ll be enough for Iowa officials?

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                          NOPE sounds to me like you MURDERED the poor guy to get his ticket now his family will take you to court and you will go to jail plus the lawyers will get rich from this case LOL

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                            Let's think this one through.  Shaw didn't say he wasn't going to tell the lottery commission who the trust beneficiaries are because they'd instructed him not to; he said he wasn't because "he wasn't going to argue with the lottery commission".   HE wasn't; not the beneficiaries.  If he's truly representing someone, then how do you think they'd feel about his giving up the $14 million they'd won?  What's even more interesting is a report this evening about how the trust had been established AFTER the lottery drawing had taken place, meaning this investment trust was more than likely established for the sole purpose of shielding the lottery proceeds, meaning it wasn't established earlier by someone rich as a general investment trust & the lottery win just happened to be something they'd add to an already large pot of cash.  The obvious conclusion is it had nothing to do with anyone besides himself; the upshot is, he's either the winner himself & created this trust to shelter the lottery proceeds from the opposing attornies of his civil case (so it couldn't be seized if he lost his case) or he'd stolen the ticket & tried to shelter this fact by creating the trust to shield the name of the winner, but realized that his scheme wouldn't work so he gave up.  It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out...

                            "What's even more interesting is a report this evening about how the trust had been established AFTER the lottery drawing had taken place, meaning this investment trust was more than likely established for the sole purpose of shielding the lottery proceeds, meaning it wasn't established earlier by someone rich as a general investment trust & the lottery win just happened to be something they'd add to an already large pot of cash."

                            We've had many discussions about creating a trust so the winner could remain anonymous and for the most part, the reasons are they don't want people knocking at their doors or constant phone calls. However some states do have laws that require their Lottery to check for things like unpaid child support and taxes. The laws make it necessary for the name of ticket owner to be known to the state lottery.

                            In Ohio on winnings over $601 and under $5001, the claim must be notarized stating the claimant owes no back child support and the winner is given a W2-G. On claims where taxes are withheld, lottery security runs a background.

                            It's possible in some states they run checks for unpaid fines, court costs, judgments, and outstanding warrants. It's a two way street because while their are many logical reasons to claim anonymous by using a trust, there are just as many reasons why a trust would be made because of illegal activities.

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                              Wow, I had a feeling this is how it would turn out!  Still wonder who the 'rightful' winner was, if there ever was one?

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