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Lawyer gives up $14 million Iowa lottery ticket claim

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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:11 pm - IP Logged

Wow, I had a feeling this is how it would turn out!  Still wonder who the 'rightful' winner was, if there ever was one?

I'm sure it will all be revealed when the lawyer's book comes out, lol.


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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    Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:33 pm - IP Logged

    peppy 007 you have 2 options if you find the ticket on the ground 1. is I lost it and will come and get it if you call me and give you a reward. 2. if you are without friends then go to local newspaper or television station and tell them you found it and looking for the rightful owner to call you to pick it up. I myself think option 1 is the way to go

    Step 1: Buy your own tickets. Do not wear sunglasses, a cap or hoody during the purchase and ensure you are in clear view of the camera.

     

    Step 2: Sign your own tickets

     

    Step 3: Win

     

    Step 4: Cash it in yourself

     

    Step 5: Change your name after you collect your funds. You're rich enough to buy and sell identities - lol.

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      Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:45 pm - IP Logged

      This is one strange story.

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        Posted: January 27, 2012, 3:48 pm - IP Logged

        lol. I ll hit u up when I get to Atlantis which is where I'm gonna gamble my winnings. Also if I go on the radio saying I found a winning ticket everyone and their mother will come out saying it's theirs.

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          Posted: January 27, 2012, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

          I think the ticket owner was murdered....seriously.  I aways thought if I won the lottery, I would not be overly loud and visible about it but I did want to gloat at work (to the not so nice ones) a bit before I quit. Now, I will sign all tickets and if I win, I will not tell anyone.

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            Posted: January 27, 2012, 8:44 pm - IP Logged

            "Just pay it!", how many on here said of Iowa Lotto?

            guilty as charged,

            in my defense i'd like to say....

            ohh... wait that sounds like a lawyer.

            uhh...nevermind.Embarassed

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              Posted: January 27, 2012, 9:58 pm - IP Logged

              I said it,but I have a good reason.I DON'T TRUST THE IOWA LOTTERY,and if you ask them,they'll tell you so.

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                Posted: January 28, 2012, 1:58 pm - IP Logged

                guilty as charged,

                in my defense i'd like to say....

                ohh... wait that sounds like a lawyer.

                uhh...nevermind.Embarassed

                What do you call 1000 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the coldest deepest ocean?

                 

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                  Posted: January 28, 2012, 2:38 pm - IP Logged

                  "Just pay it!", how many on here said of Iowa Lotto?

                  *golfclap.gif*   Thank you so much.    How many people here spoke ill of the Iowa Lotto and called the investigator a showboat, a busybody and worse?

                   

                  From the Huffington Post version of this story:

                   

                  "... Shaw signed it on behalf of Hexham Investments Trust (misspelling Hexham as Hexam), which listed its address as a post office box in Bedford, N.Y., a wealthy enclave where Shaw lives on the property of his daughter and son-in-law Gregory Fleming, the president of Morgan Stanley Investment Management.

                  Shaw told Lottery officials during a meeting earlier this month that all of the trust's proceeds would go to a corporation based in Belize, a Central American country that has a reputation as a tax haven. (The advantages of the money going there aren't entirely clear, as Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said the agency would have withheld 30 percent in federal taxes, instead of 25 percent, if a foreign corporation was ruled the winner).

                  Making matters more complex, Shaw's lawyers told the Lottery that Shaw was retained by an attorney who was representing the ticket purchaser – whose identity was unknown, even to Shaw. Shaw agreed to represent the purchaser's attorney on the condition that both of their identities and all discussions would remain secret because of attorney-client privilege, they said.

                  At the same time, Shaw's lawyers said in their Tuesday offer to give the money to charity that the person who legally bought the ticket, possessed it and transferred it to the trust approved the deal...."

                   

                  Total fraud!   (Just like I believe those three investment guys were who 'won' in Connecticut a couple months ago on a single quick pick.)  This crap is why the lottery would prefer on naming names and knowing who they're giving the money to.

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                    Posted: January 28, 2012, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

                    Let's think this one through.  Shaw didn't say he wasn't going to tell the lottery commission who the trust beneficiaries are because they'd instructed him not to; he said he wasn't because "he wasn't going to argue with the lottery commission".   HE wasn't; not the beneficiaries.  If he's truly representing someone, then how do you think they'd feel about his giving up the $14 million they'd won?  What's even more interesting is a report this evening about how the trust had been established AFTER the lottery drawing had taken place, meaning this investment trust was more than likely established for the sole purpose of shielding the lottery proceeds, meaning it wasn't established earlier by someone rich as a general investment trust & the lottery win just happened to be something they'd add to an already large pot of cash.  The obvious conclusion is it had nothing to do with anyone besides himself; the upshot is, he's either the winner himself & created this trust to shelter the lottery proceeds from the opposing attornies of his civil case (so it couldn't be seized if he lost his case) or he'd stolen the ticket & tried to shelter this fact by creating the trust to shield the name of the winner, but realized that his scheme wouldn't work so he gave up.  It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out...

                    Beautifully put.

                     

                    (and to the folks here talking about how the money should be put back into the pot... so somebody else (preferably the poster) wins it... no.  that money *was* won.  it needs to go to the real winner.  if that person is eligible, and not an illegal.  not this rich guy fraudster with morgan stanley connections and a central american tax haven.)

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                      Posted: January 29, 2012, 5:42 pm - IP Logged

                      BASED ON THE LAWYER IN THIS CASE BEING ON THE UP AND UP.............

                      If I ever find myself in a situation like this and I wanted my identity protected, I'd most certainly want a lawyer like this to represent me.

                      Since I do not know the inside information on what is going on, it is not my place to speculate. Why the Iowa Lottery officials had such a hard on to know who the ticket purchaser is/was is beyond me.

                      I expect to see a lot more of these cases popping up in the near future. Meaning, there will be no more options to collect annonomously. And I also suspect that the lottery commissions will use this method as a way to justify not paying out. Add to the soup a little, the lottery commission will begin releasing winners identities for all predators and moochers.

                      Mr. Shaw's background is irrevelant to cashing in the ticket. Put yourself in the winning seat and try to cash in a ticket. How much would you really appreciate being treated like a crimminal?

                      It is easy for us to say, it's no big deal because we are not there. Notice how the lottery commission had no problem running their mouths to the press about Mr. Shaw. What make you think they would keep their mouth shut about you if you were the real winner?

                      How many of you would appreciate the world knowing about all of your financial failures or the failures of people you know? How many of you would like to have your past drug into the public eye and examined by any and all to see and judge?

                      How much are you willing to sell your privacy for?

                      What's your selling price?

                      " Why the Iowa Lottery officials had such a hard on to know who the ticket purchaser is/was is beyond me."

                       

                      Because it's the law that they know who the winner is.  If "insiders" can print duplicate winning tickets -- it's been done before -- and then hide behind trusts, the lottery turns into a scam with us all being the suckers.  THAT's why.  A trust can claim it but the lottery officials have to know that the person/people behind the trust are ELIGBLE  to claim.

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                        Posted: January 30, 2012, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

                        I heard the lawyer, Crawford Shaw, is going to be on Dancing With The Stars next season.

                        Or maybe it was American Idol, I don't remember.

                        I think I heard that somewhere.

                        Or maybe not.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          Posted: January 30, 2012, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

                          I heard the lawyer, Crawford Shaw, is going to be on Dancing With The Stars next season.

                          Or maybe it was American Idol, I don't remember.

                          I think I heard that somewhere.

                          Or maybe not.

                          I think it's American Idol.He'll be singing the blues!

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                            Posted: January 31, 2012, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

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                              Posted: February 2, 2012, 7:57 am - IP Logged

                              WTG Iowa Lottery!  Would love to know the real story behind this ticket.

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