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Some Baptists want Texas Lottery Commission shut down

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Posted: April 17, 2012, 3:57 pm - IP Logged

I say we kill all the violent people.

there wont be any one left on earth if you did that

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    I say we kill all the violent people.

    ROTFLOL!  Crazy

    that'l teach'em to be violent ...........

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      Posted: April 17, 2012, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

      95% of all evil in the world is  in the name religious beliefs

      I've been saying that for years..

       

      "About $1 billion a year from the lottery goes into a public education fund, after prize money, retail commissions and other expenses.

      ..are the baptists ready to assume that tab for the schools?

      "No matter how bad things may get, I'd like to thank my middle finger

      for always sticking up for me.."

       


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        Posted: April 17, 2012, 9:57 pm - IP Logged

        yeah they'll build baptist schools.

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          Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

          As one of those Bitter Clingers who enjoys the lottery, I say hands off my lottery, Bible Thumpers! No No 

           

          PS - love the sunset laws in Texas, and loved hearing the sunset commission is in favor of continuing the lottery.

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            Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:10 pm - IP Logged

            I can respect every single one of these opinions as we're purposely and rightfully designed to all think differently on all matters. However, in the end, when a state as large as Texas still has approximately the same overall prize payouts as states reasonably smaller (less populated), I see a big problem. More money going in should equal a parity of outgoing prizes per dollar spent...and there isn't. Five people can go into a corner store purchasing all high dollar ($20 or up) scratch-offs and not one will win anything worthwhile.

            I believe the prize matrix is all wrong, and, it didn't use to be this way when things first started here, you know. In fact, I spoke with a complete stranger this morning about this very thing and the first thing they said was, "You know, I used to win big, and, more often years ago when I bought high price tickets." The I see it is now that they've gotten things rolling pretty good, they've cut way down on the outgoing which isn't fair to any of us who've been participating over the years. There's no reason why a player shouldn't get at least a portion of their money back based on cost(s) of the ticket(s). 

            No, I'm not saying that everyone should win every time, but rather if more prize money was allotted that players would be okay knowing that at some point they win pretty good. As it is, I can go into any store and purchase several $20 tickets and be very, very lucky to see $5. This really needs to change in my opinion.


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              Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:11 pm - IP Logged

              I don't think we should be painting all Baptists with that same broad brush. 99% of 'em are good, decent, honest people who mind their own business.

              It's just some of the Preachers that sometimes tend to be zealots and busybodies. I've had run-ins with 'em my own self about drinking and serving alcohol at public events in my area. They can be very stubborn. Even when I tell them that Jesus drank alcohol and even made alcohol out of water when they ran out of it at a wedding party.

              But don't blame the whole congregation or all Baptists for the zealotry of a few Preachers.

              I know Baptists who drink and I know Baptists who play the lottery too.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:13 pm - IP Logged

                As one of those Bitter Clingers who enjoys the lottery, I say hands off my lottery, Bible Thumpers! No No 

                 

                PS - love the sunset laws in Texas, and loved hearing the sunset commission is in favor of continuing the lottery.

                sunset laws are good, now combine them w/ term limits and we got it going.

                Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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                  Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:23 pm - IP Logged

                  I don't think we should be painting all Baptists with that same broad brush. 99% of 'em are good, decent, honest people who mind their own business.

                  It's just some of the Preachers that sometimes tend to be zealots and busybodies. I've had run-ins with 'em my own self about drinking and serving alcohol at public events in my area. They can be very stubborn. Even when I tell them that Jesus drank alcohol and even made alcohol out of water when they ran out of it at a wedding party.

                  But don't blame the whole congregation or all Baptists for the zealotry of a few Preachers.

                  I know Baptists who drink and I know Baptists who play the lottery too.

                  My Mom's family is Southern Baptists. I am Catholic (Mom converted), but spent many a summer with my cousins at their vacation bible school. Being a heathen Catholic provided lots of summer fun with them. :D  They are a very good, honest, hard working, God fearing family, and they know how to throw a good party. And I'd be willing to bet most of them play the lottery now and again.  It's a few bad apples that show the more extreme side now and again. Not bad people, but people who just take things too far and want everyone to follow the rules that they themselves live.

                  I do agree that the Texas lottery winnings are slim.  I go through hot and cold periods with the scratchers, mostly cold. :(  I had better winnings on fewer scratchers in MI. In Texas, I have bought 5 $10 tickets and walked away completely skunked even though the lottery claims the win ratio is something like 1:2.5678.

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                    Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:23 pm - IP Logged

                    Thats Not Right At All

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                      Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:39 pm - IP Logged

                      Thats Not Right At All

                      Kinda vague here...please be more specific on what's not right.


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                        Posted: April 17, 2012, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

                        My Mom's family is Southern Baptists. I am Catholic (Mom converted), but spent many a summer with my cousins at their vacation bible school. Being a heathen Catholic provided lots of summer fun with them. :D  They are a very good, honest, hard working, God fearing family, and they know how to throw a good party. And I'd be willing to bet most of them play the lottery now and again.  It's a few bad apples that show the more extreme side now and again. Not bad people, but people who just take things too far and want everyone to follow the rules that they themselves live.

                        I do agree that the Texas lottery winnings are slim.  I go through hot and cold periods with the scratchers, mostly cold. :(  I had better winnings on fewer scratchers in MI. In Texas, I have bought 5 $10 tickets and walked away completely skunked even though the lottery claims the win ratio is something like 1:2.5678.

                        This is what I'm getting at. I know people in other states that win very frequently...and the larger prizes at that! It's not hard for these people to walk into a store and drop $20 total on tickets and at least get their money back, or, most of it. This is what it's all about...rewarding the players because without them, there is no successful lottery at all.


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                          Posted: April 18, 2012, 1:16 am - IP Logged

                          I don't think we should be painting all Baptists with that same broad brush. 99% of 'em are good, decent, honest people who mind their own business.

                          It's just some of the Preachers that sometimes tend to be zealots and busybodies. I've had run-ins with 'em my own self about drinking and serving alcohol at public events in my area. They can be very stubborn. Even when I tell them that Jesus drank alcohol and even made alcohol out of water when they ran out of it at a wedding party.

                          But don't blame the whole congregation or all Baptists for the zealotry of a few Preachers.

                          I know Baptists who drink and I know Baptists who play the lottery too.

                          I Agree!, most of the Baptist folks I know are just regular down to earth people.

                           

                          As a side note: while I definitely don't agree with the Baptist's position here, all people are allowed to try to influence public policy, regardless of their religious beliefs. They've phrased their position in secular terms here. They've said they don't like the lottery because it "preys on the poor" and "caters to impulse purchases."  They haven't said anything about their doctrinal beliefs, so their religious beliefs aren't all that relevant.  Other people in the public square can respond to their arguments rationally, and that's all that civil discourse requires. 

                          My response would be that they are wet blankets, and I am glad that they are likely to fail in abolishing the lottery. Some studies I have read say that poor people play the lottery more; some don't. Either way, poor people who earn their money have a right to decide how to spend it. And all kinds of products cater to impulse purchases... including the candy racks at the check-out ailses. Neither of the reasons presented in the article seem compelling to me, esp. when you are talking about states that are incredibly strapped and cutting essential services, like the budget for police departments and school systems. How else are you going to get people to WILLINGLY pay the government $4 billion/year?  We have to pay for public education one way or another. Might as well do it the fun way.

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                            I think the most salient point they make is about whether the lottery has provided a real revenue increase or just replaced other revenue sources.

                            I have always thought of it like this. The lawmakers come and tell us they are going to give us MORE money for education if we have the lottery. They tell us the money is marked for education. That's great. But that is not enough for them not to scam the taxpayers. Legally, the law makers have to spend the lottery revenue on education, however they can take the other money that was previously funding education and spend that money elsewhere. This gives no actual increase in the education budget.

                            I would love, love, love to see a study which showed the year-to-year education budget PRIOR to the lottery extrapolated to today. In other words, I want to know what we would have been spending on education today if there was never a lottery and then compare that to what we are spending on the lottery. I think what we will find if that there has been zero benefit to education. That doesn't stop lawmakers from telling us about the billions the lottery has given to education (so that they can rob the education funds of the billions that would have come from the general fund!)

                            And us chumps just sit here and eat it up.

                            Also, if the commission billed the lottery as a non-regressive tax, they probably need to go look those words up. I doubt Bill Gates is spending as much dollar-for-dollar on the lottery as the average working poor does. It is, however, voluntary.

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                              Posted: April 18, 2012, 5:13 am - IP Logged

                              I also wanted to say my pastor is a great guy. He takes a small salary and lives humbly. Despite his small means he is generous with his money and leads by example. He doesn't hold people up to the standard he lives by. But he does encourage us and lift us up.

                              "Tithing" is an old testament word. The people back then actually had many other financial obligations to the temple beyond "titihing" and manditorily gave way above 10% in addition to their freewill offerings.

                               

                              Here are some quotes from the new testament:

                               

                              Mark 12:41-44 (New International Version) Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny. Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything--all she had to live on."

                              2 Corinthians 9:7 (New International Version) Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

                              1 Corinthians 16:2 (New International Version) On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

                               

                              Jesus mentions money a lot. I could post many more things here, but this is not a sermon. I just wanted to show that God is not interested in a dollar amount or a percentage, but He is interested in your heart! Some give more, some give less. Let God be the judge of their hearts.