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Some Baptists want Texas Lottery Commission shut down

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Posted: April 18, 2012, 11:40 am - IP Logged

They would take a lotto winners donations in a heartbeat.

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    Posted: April 18, 2012, 11:45 am - IP Logged

    I Agree!

     

    I stopped going to churches years ago because the various one's I attended all focused primarily on one thing...giving money to the church.  So then I started watching the line up on TV...they preach really good, get me all excited and then the sermon ends and the commercials begin...send some money and we will give you our new CD or DVD or book or holy water or prayer cloth or some other mess.  The only one's that seem sincere are the Jehovah Witnesses that go around the neighborhood....they have never asked me for money....and neither have the Mormons.   There is no point to this rant.  Sorry!  LOL

    Mormons don't ask for money until you join their church.  After you're a member, they demand it.  You can't be a member in good standing unless you're giving 10% of your income in tithe.

    Utah has never had a lottery.  They want all the extra money going to the Mormon church, not into the state education system.

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      Mormons don't ask for money until you join their church.  After you're a member, they demand it.  You can't be a member in good standing unless you're giving 10% of your income in tithe.

      Utah has never had a lottery.  They want all the extra money going to the Mormon church, not into the state education system.

      My Wife is LDS so I am able to see things from a unique perspective, especially since I am not LDS. While it is recommended that they do, members of the church are not forced into giving a tithe. It just means that they do not get to keep specific privledges. However not giving a tithe does not prevent members from attending religious services, recreational church sponsored events (Chili Cookoffs, Pot Luck Dinners, etc.), or from recieving financial or food assistance. During the time that we've been married, there have been many months that my Wife was unable to give a tithe, she has not been treated any differently by her Bishop or the other church elders because of it. One thing that I find especially interesting is that LDS do not pass around an offering plate during services, which is unlike what I have seen at the Catholic, Baptist and Pentecostal services that I have been to. You could basically say the tithe is their version of the offering plate, it seems the bonus to this is that you don't have to show everyone in the congegation what you are donating to the church and to God.

      Just quoting some of the scripture from the King James Version of the Bible, to back up the practice of tithes and offerings. It seems that no matter what your denomination of the Christian faith or any other religion, giving something back to the church is not a bad thing.

      Genesis 28:22

      22And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.


      Malachi 3:8-18

      8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

      9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

      10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

      11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

      12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

      13Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?

      14Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?

      15And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

      16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

      17And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

      18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

      While I am not Mormon and do not have any current plans to be (I am not giving up my rum, coffee or tea, sorry folks. :P ), it is still the faith of my Wife, so I am going to defend it. I have not decided yet on which denomination that I want to settle with, perhaps Catholic as I like the structure and order within their church. I still would like to attend Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist and Pagan services before I make a final decision. I guess if we ever move to Utah, I'll have to make trips up to Idaho to buy my lotto tickets, LOL!


      On Topic :

      I don't think this proposal from the Baptists is gonna fly down here in Texas, folks here love their Powerball and Mega Millions games way too much. One thing that the TLC should definitely look into is changing up the matrix on our main jackpot game or get rid of the one game completely. For the 6/54 Wednesday and Saturday drawings, our odds of winning the big prize are 1:25,827,165. In recent years, we've seen the jackpot roll up to 63 times before a winner was drawn. Folks just aren't interested in playing a game that hardly ever gets won. We would do much better with a 6/49 or a 6/50 matrix.

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        Posted: April 19, 2012, 4:18 pm - IP Logged

        My Wife is LDS so I am able to see things from a unique perspective, especially since I am not LDS. While it is recommended that they do, members of the church are not forced into giving a tithe. It just means that they do not get to keep specific privledges. However not giving a tithe does not prevent members from attending religious services, recreational church sponsored events (Chili Cookoffs, Pot Luck Dinners, etc.), or from recieving financial or food assistance. During the time that we've been married, there have been many months that my Wife was unable to give a tithe, she has not been treated any differently by her Bishop or the other church elders because of it. One thing that I find especially interesting is that LDS do not pass around an offering plate during services, which is unlike what I have seen at the Catholic, Baptist and Pentecostal services that I have been to. You could basically say the tithe is their version of the offering plate, it seems the bonus to this is that you don't have to show everyone in the congegation what you are donating to the church and to God.

        Just quoting some of the scripture from the King James Version of the Bible, to back up the practice of tithes and offerings. It seems that no matter what your denomination of the Christian faith or any other religion, giving something back to the church is not a bad thing.

        Genesis 28:22

        22And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.


        Malachi 3:8-18

        8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

        9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

        10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

        11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

        12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

        13Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?

        14Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?

        15And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

        16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

        17And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

        18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

        While I am not Mormon and do not have any current plans to be (I am not giving up my rum, coffee or tea, sorry folks. :P ), it is still the faith of my Wife, so I am going to defend it. I have not decided yet on which denomination that I want to settle with, perhaps Catholic as I like the structure and order within their church. I still would like to attend Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist and Pagan services before I make a final decision. I guess if we ever move to Utah, I'll have to make trips up to Idaho to buy my lotto tickets, LOL!


        On Topic :

        I don't think this proposal from the Baptists is gonna fly down here in Texas, folks here love their Powerball and Mega Millions games way too much. One thing that the TLC should definitely look into is changing up the matrix on our main jackpot game or get rid of the one game completely. For the 6/54 Wednesday and Saturday drawings, our odds of winning the big prize are 1:25,827,165. In recent years, we've seen the jackpot roll up to 63 times before a winner was drawn. Folks just aren't interested in playing a game that hardly ever gets won. We would do much better with a 6/49 or a 6/50 matrix.

        I have a couple of aunts that belong to the Mormon church.According to them you don't have to give up your rum,coffee or tea.You would just be known as a "jack Mormon" if you consumed these beverages.

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        There ought to be one day - just one - when there is open season on senators. ~Will Rogers

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          Posted: April 20, 2012, 12:03 am - IP Logged

          why will they want to shut down Texas State Lottery????

          The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


           


           


           

           


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            i know that people in Texas play less lottery than in other states, for example the state of Georgia generates: 2 billion years ago and georgia has half the population as the State of Texas...Texas should had been reaching: $4 billion in revenue 5 to 6 years ago...But still that shouldnt be need to shut down the Texas state lottery...

            but since most revenue come from scratchoffs and i am assuming they are expensive scratchoffs...

            not texas...

            The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


             


             


             

             


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              why will they want to shut down Texas State Lottery????

              I heard they wanna put a parking lot there.

              Don't quote me on that though.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                Some people just never learn.  Haven't these churchgoers ever heard of prohibition?  Yup, self-righteous types just like them thought they'd eliminated what they saw as an evil by what they thought was shutting it down.  Only, what they actually did was to make it more popular, and create a billion dollar organized crime revenue source (and helping the Mafia become a major cancer on society).  Shutting down the lottery just means that players will either play out of state lotteries (increasing the possibility of online lottery scams) or they'll play "numbers" (thereby feeding revenue into organized crime's pocketbook). 

                You'd think that these people would do the bare minimum of due diligence or research, but no.  I guess none of them have ever heard the phrase "If you ignore the results of the lessons history teaches us, you're doomed to repeat them".  What a bunch of morons...

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                  When the casino business expanded to river boat casinos in the South and Midwest a lot of church groups were opposed to the boats.

                  As it turned out the concern was they were worried about competition with their bingo games (OK, not Baptists in this case, but still...).

                  My wife and I went to a different church than swe normally do one sunday morning and this one guy was having a fit because he had stopped to gas up his car and the clerk asked him if he wanted a lottery ticket. He didn't like that and asked to talk to the manager. The manager told him that's what the clerks at that station are trained to do. The guy was even more upset about that.

                  fundamentalist,  n.

                  Someone who is absolutely paranoid that someone, somewhere, is actually enjoying themselves.

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                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    I have a couple of aunts that belong to the Mormon church.According to them you don't have to give up your rum,coffee or tea.You would just be known as a "jack Mormon" if you consumed these beverages.

                    I guess I'll have to ask my wife about my gambling and my Sailor's mouth, lol! I've got a couple of Mormon ancestors back in the family tree, but the majority of my line is Catholic, Methodist and Puritan colonists. I've never been able to just take that the world was just "created" 6,000 years ago as fact, but I do not think that we just "evolved" here without divine intervention. Something seems to be missing in both creationism and evolution. My personal hypothesis is both will eventually be connected into one theory, Religion cannot deny the existance of Science and Science cannot disprove the existance of God. Creationism alone cannot explain the dinosaurs (fossils in millions of year old rock). Evolution alone cannot explain evidence of miracles (Shroud of Turin, Incorruptables, Spiral Staircase of Loretto Chapel, etc).

                    It definitely has given me a lot to think about over the years and is the main reason why I have not commited to any single religion or school of thought.

                    On topic: Lotto Texas will probably roll tonight for the 19th time this jackpot and up to $23 Million for Wednesday... it's more fun and satisfying watching paint dry.

                    Folks seem to have a lot of fun with scratch tickets, Pick 3 and Cash 5 around here though.

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                      If you invited the Jehova Witnesses into your home the reason they didn't ask for money was because they were in shock..nobody ever invited them in before and they were at a loss for words.

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                      U are soooo funnny U need to stop....I luv reading your posts....I cannot stop laughing..even though this is an old

                      post I have tears running down my cheeks...because U are soooo baddd....U are one of the few posters that have

                      a       "great sense of humor"       there are some other posters that I luv to read as well, but

                                        U MUST BE THE "LIFE OF THE PARTY"                    LOLOLOOLOLO 

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                        CHyperLETU$2

                        U are soooo funnny U need to stop....I luv reading your posts....I cannot stop laughing..even though this is an old

                        post I have tears running down my cheeks...because U are soooo baddd....U are one of the few posters that have

                        a       "great sense of humor"       there are some other posters that I luv to read as well, but

                                          U MUST BE THE "LIFE OF THE PARTY"                    LOLOLOOLOLO 

                        You think that was funny?Well,try this one on for size.I have an Aunt and two cousins that are Mormons.Bet you can't guess what they do for fun.Well,I'll tell you.They go to funerals.Not just funerals of people that they knew,but complete strangers.They read the obituary column in the local newspaper and if a person doesn't have any relatives,they will show up for the funeral.I guess they figure that the preacher needs to preach to someone~;)Crazy

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                          You think that was funny?Well,try this one on for size.I have an Aunt and two cousins that are Mormons.Bet you can't guess what they do for fun.Well,I'll tell you.They go to funerals.Not just funerals of people that they knew,but complete strangers.They read the obituary column in the local newspaper and if a person doesn't have any relatives,they will show up for the funeral.I guess they figure that the preacher needs to preach to someone~;)Crazy

                          I choose my numbers from the obituaries, but only if the deceased are 59 years or younger. What a way to win some money because I have won some, but not enough to retire. The Baptists Mail For Youplay Bingo, so why are they against the Lottery?

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                            I choose my numbers from the obituaries, but only if the deceased are 59 years or younger. What a way to win some money because I have won some, but not enough to retire. The Baptists Mail For Youplay Bingo, so why are they against the Lottery?

                            Preacher man talkin' on TV

                            Puttin' down the rock and roll

                            Wants me to send a donation

                            Cuz he's worried about my soul

                            He said Jesus walked on the water

                            And I know that is true

                            But sometimes I think that preacherman

                            Would like to do a little walkin' too

                            But I ain't asking nobody for nothin'

                            If I cant get it on my own

                            If you don't like the way I'm livin'

                            Ya just leave this long haired country boy alone

                            ~Charlie Daniels

                             

                            I don't believe it's the Baptist people themselves against the lottery.

                            I think it's just a few overzealous preachers. We can't condemn all of 'em for what the preacherman says.

                            I know a lotta ol' Baptist boys that play the lottery.

                            Some of 'em even take a little hit off the jug fer medicinal purposes ever now and again too.


                                                                         
                                                 
                                                                     

                             

                             

                             

                             

                                                                                                                               

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