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Stack47,

You are very reminiscent of a karate student with threee months in who took a few classes, read a book, and got his arse kicked out on the streets.

You say,

"Sounds like you had serious issues with the players and finally realized you were in the wrong profession. On the scale of things, what possible difference did that player's ignorance make?"

How interesting that you would use the Hillary Benghazi defense. "What possbile difference". Well i guess in all those books you've read about Vegas none off them ever told you that such players slow the game down which irritates the heck out of the bosses and brings heat on the game. Not to mention it runs off good players. Nobody wants to have 1 large on the Pass Line and odds and have the game interrupted by some moron who read something in a book and want to know why he didn't get paid four rolls ago. Did any of your books tell you the biggest action is on the graveyard shift becsause the real gamblers don't want to put up with such imbeciles?

When they open casinos outside of Nevada Stack they man them with experienced people, set up a dealer's school because they are there to provide some of the locals with jobs (and make millions). Here's something else your books peobably never told you. Native American casinos hire a certain amount of pale faces to get up and running. Once they get some experience under their belt they fire most of the pale faces I (reduction in force) to hire more Nativ e Americans but they keep a token amount of pale faces on the payroll because a lot of the native staff disappear on payday and for a few days after. That's just the way it is. When they're going to open a casino they place want ads for casino personnel and those ads end with "We are a Native American preference employer."

No offense to any Native Americans here, but like I said, that's just the way it is. A tribe in Minnesota with a casino pays each tribal member about $4,000 a month 'gratis' out of the profits. The Hopis in Arizona didn't want any part of casinos because it goes against their beliefs.

I'll wrap up your attitude with one story, Stack. This feller from Kaintuck had dun read a whole lotta books about WW II. He met this eldcerly guy and they got to talking and the guy who had read all those books was telling the elderly gent how it was in the concentration camps. He went on and on and on and the other fellow got tired of it and said, "You don't know what you're talking sabout mister", and got up to walk away. It was then that the book larnd hillwilliam noticed the number tattooed on the elderly gent's forearm.

There's obvious no point in talking to you anymore Stack so have a nice life.

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"How interesting that you would use the Hillary Benghazi defense."

I asked why you didn't simply tell the players why they could remove a "Don't bet" and continue rolling the dice. Or like most rude dealers, you hope one of the other players explains it.

"Well i guess in all those books you've read about Vegas none off them ever told you that such players slow the game down which irritates the heck out of the bosses and brings heat on the game."

My point about gaming books was made clear in the "Las Vegas, Behind the Tables" review. Anybody can read that book and con people into believing they were a Las Vegas dealer. The majority of the people reading your comments never heard of a "Don't bet". Explain how asking a question prevents the shooter from rolling the dice and slows the game. If there is a "behind the tables" rule requiring the stick man to hold the dice while a question is being answered, why does that irritate the bosses and bring heat on your game?

As a player I heard my share of dumb questions answered in "how to play" pamphlets. Never saw a Don't side player remove their bet during a roll, but I saw one having a really hot pass line roll who ran out of money in the middle of their roll. And I agree with you on some of the advice coming from "how to" books used by players can irritate dealers because it irritates experienced players.

"Here's something else your books peobably never told you."

Without all the racism, that's exactly the type of stories gaming authors tell.

"Native American casinos hire a certain amount of pale faces to get up and running."

Did you get the term "pale faces" from a 1930's western? Fatty was right, you should right a book because it would be a best seller among all the racists.

"No offense to any Native Americans here"

I'm surprised nobody told you if you don't tell racist stories, you won't have to risk offending anyone.

"I'll wrap up your attitude with one story, Stack."

For someone who claims their friend convinced Barney Vinson to write a casino book, you're really ignorant of antidotes and stories in those type of books. The authors are players, writers, dealers, bosses and a porter, bartender, or waitress and they tell their experiences. For some reason you believe your experiences are unique and so unique you're ticked because I said I read similar stories and had similar experiences as a player.

"There's obvious no point in talking to you anymore Stackl"

Did someone finally explain it's a fact "That "kinda stuff" came out of someone else's book and lots of it was reenacted on TV shows." and that I wasn't making any specific comment about your stories. Hopefully someone will explain the difference between "unique", "similar", and "kinda stuff" to you.

I simply asked you if it's casino procedure for the employees scream supervisor when a novice player misreads the rewards card screen and you go off on a tangent. It's possible your "kinda stuff" could sell lots of books and it's just as possible you'll be told they already have hundreds of books full of that "kinda stuff".

Early in the thread my question about a possible law suit was answered when several posters said "give her the money", but you were more interested in  an unrelated story someone told about a banana peel. Nothing wrong with passing on stories as long as you don't pretend they are yours. And there is nothing wrong with calling this story the makings of a frivolous law suit either unless you ignore what several poster already said.

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    I said ---> "Me and you (Coin Toss) could make a fortune"

    Then you said--->  "Putting the "me" before the "you" proves who is really planning on making a fortune."

    I'm glad you closed your diatribe of drivel with that little gem Stanky, because it saves me a lot of time responding to an obnoxious, obtuse lamebrain like you.

    Like all lib jerkoffs such as yourself, you have absolutely zero sense of humor.

    You're about as interesting and funny and fun to be around as one of your heroes, Harry Reid.

    I bet you even look like him.

    So snuggle up right here, Stank47.

    I'll hold your hair to steady your head.

    OK, are ya ready, son?

    Pffffffffffffttttttttttttt!!!

    How'd ya like that, numbnuts?  LOL

    "I'm glad you closed your diatribe of drivel with that little gem"

    Spin it any way you like, but you know you're trying to con a naive old guy out of his SS check. Just like the BS you said Standard memberships. Kudos because you did convince one of your groupies you weren't talking about her. LOL

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      "I'm glad you closed your diatribe of drivel with that little gem"

      Spin it any way you like, but you know you're trying to con a naive old guy out of his SS check. Just like the BS you said Standard memberships. Kudos because you did convince one of your groupies you weren't talking about her. LOL

      As I said before, my creepy little stalker:

      "Like all cheap jerkoffs such as yourself, you have absolutely zero sense of humor."

      Now go wash that greasy mullet, hick-boy.


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        "I'm glad you closed your diatribe of drivel with that little gem"

        Spin it any way you like, but you know you're trying to con a naive old guy out of his SS check. Just like the BS you said Standard memberships. Kudos because you did convince one of your groupies you weren't talking about her. LOL

        I agree with Ridge, all socialist, welfare loving, non money having standard members should be banned.  (After all we are not running a soup kitchen!)

        And I agree with Ridge that all members without an avatar should be crucified.Yes Nod

        But not that fake crucificixion with ropes. No No Its gotta be nails.

        and again  I agree with Ridge

        if your hit ratio is zero after five years, castration is the only suitable reward.Hit With Stick

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          Well Stack, thanks fro proving me right when I said you were in a quandry between you having to have the last word and whoever spoke next lost.

          As for your highlight game, I'll play:

          "I asked why you didn't simply tell the players why they could remove a "Don't bet" and continue rolling the dice. Or like most rude dealers, you hope one of the other players explains it."

          I guess those books you read never explained that in Vegas the shooter can take his bet off the Don't. the reasoning is that if a guy has you by the cajones you want him to let go. Once a Don't player gets passed 7 or 11 on the come out they've got the best of it, i.e. has the house by the short hairs. Atlantic city won't allow it simply because it's not in their rule book. A.C. also doesn't allow hop bets.

          Anybody can read that book and con people into believing they were a Las Vegas dealer...

          I'm getting a little irritated that you keep accusing me of making all this up. Once again, what casino did you ever work in? Or get tossed out of.

          Explain how asking a question prevents the shooter from rolling the dice and slows the game...

          It's the dealers, box, and floor job to PROTECT THE GAME. That is the number one rule of casino work. They don't want to be distracted by some yo yo tourist who read a book and thinks he knows everything and causes beefs. 

          Without all the racism, that's exactly the type of stories gaming authors tell.

          Those running Native American casinos would laught their arses off at that remark. Who do you think is calling who pale faces. What a moron.

          Take your misguided inaccurate opinions and your what difference does it make remarks and other accusations and go bother people about something you might actually know about, tovarich.

          Das Vadanya.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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            "I'm glad you closed your diatribe of drivel with that little gem"

            Spin it any way you like, but you know you're trying to con a naive old guy out of his SS check. Just like the BS you said Standard memberships. Kudos because you did convince one of your groupies you weren't talking about her. LOL

            Are you beginning to realize that you can't win here?  When you're dealing with people who think they are the smartest guys in the room, and they're holding the only weapons in the room, surgical instruments, they will always APPEAR to be the smartest guys in the room.

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              I agree with Ridge, all socialist, welfare loving, non money having standard members should be banned.  (After all we are not running a soup kitchen!)

              And I agree with Ridge that all members without an avatar should be crucified.Yes Nod

              But not that fake crucificixion with ropes. No No Its gotta be nails.

              and again  I agree with Ridge

              if your hit ratio is zero after five years, castration is the only suitable reward.Hit With Stick

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              (After all we are not running a soup kitchen!)

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                Are you beginning to realize that you can't win here?  When you're dealing with people who think they are the smartest guys in the room, and they're holding the only weapons in the room, surgical instruments, they will always APPEAR to be the smartest guys in the room.

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                  Are you beginning to realize that you can't win here?  When you're dealing with people who think they are the smartest guys in the room, and they're holding the only weapons in the room, surgical instruments, they will always APPEAR to be the smartest guys in the room.

                  "Are you beginning to realize that you can't win here?"

                  Now that's funny because my question was why are there that many people obsessed with discussing spending imaginary lottery jackpot winnings. It's a no win situation trying to explain why only a tiny percentage of MM and PB players will win enough to buy a Big Mac.

                  The question here is does the Blue Chip Casino owe the woman $28 million because of a rewards card error. There was no $28 million slot machine jackpot, the symbols on the machine didn't match the machine's jackpot, and there was no $28 million rewards card give-away. It's not any difference than a banking error showing a $28 million balance, but it makes a nice discussion story. And this is the same type of story we're likely to see in most of the hundreds of casino gambling books.

                  In retrospect, I never should have asked if it was casino procedure that employees start screaming "supervisor" every time a slot machine malfunction because I know better. Someone missed the "screaming" part or how stupid that would be when all employees should know where the nearest phones and security personal are. Pardon me for thinking a long time dealer knows the slot employees have walkie-talkies.

                  Barney Vinson is a part time writer for the Casino City Times and wrote several behind the tables books. Mistake number 2 was quoting a review of his books saying anyone could dazzle first time visitors to Vegas with their knowledge of what goes on behind the tables after simply reading his book. We can't win by quoting the facts and/or stating the obvious because someone always will say they know better.

                  When people don't have the facts on their side, they ignore the "employees screaming supervisor" part and the fact "I was quoting from a book review" to create a straw man argument that I said something I never said. I'm really surprised that after saying his friend advised Vinson to write a book about the behind the table stories, Coin Toss believes his stories are unique and so unique he believes no similar story was ever told.

                  There is no doubt someone will distort the facts and take my comments out of contact because they believe their BS always trumps the facts and the truth.

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                    I agree with Ridge, all socialist, welfare loving, non money having standard members should be banned.  (After all we are not running a soup kitchen!)

                    And I agree with Ridge that all members without an avatar should be crucified.Yes Nod

                    But not that fake crucificixion with ropes. No No Its gotta be nails.

                    and again  I agree with Ridge

                    if your hit ratio is zero after five years, castration is the only suitable reward.Hit With Stick

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                    "if your hit ratio is zero after five years"

                    Even after that Pick-3 numbers "good for all states" experiment I did for over a month, my hit ratio is still about 1 hit for every ten predictions. My goal is to have 1 hit for every $100 bet playing pick-4 and I'll take that hit ratio for pick-3 anytime.

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                      Well Stack, thanks fro proving me right when I said you were in a quandry between you having to have the last word and whoever spoke next lost.

                      As for your highlight game, I'll play:

                      "I asked why you didn't simply tell the players why they could remove a "Don't bet" and continue rolling the dice. Or like most rude dealers, you hope one of the other players explains it."

                      I guess those books you read never explained that in Vegas the shooter can take his bet off the Don't. the reasoning is that if a guy has you by the cajones you want him to let go. Once a Don't player gets passed 7 or 11 on the come out they've got the best of it, i.e. has the house by the short hairs. Atlantic city won't allow it simply because it's not in their rule book. A.C. also doesn't allow hop bets.

                      Anybody can read that book and con people into believing they were a Las Vegas dealer...

                      I'm getting a little irritated that you keep accusing me of making all this up. Once again, what casino did you ever work in? Or get tossed out of.

                      Explain how asking a question prevents the shooter from rolling the dice and slows the game...

                      It's the dealers, box, and floor job to PROTECT THE GAME. That is the number one rule of casino work. They don't want to be distracted by some yo yo tourist who read a book and thinks he knows everything and causes beefs. 

                      Without all the racism, that's exactly the type of stories gaming authors tell.

                      Those running Native American casinos would laught their arses off at that remark. Who do you think is calling who pale faces. What a moron.

                      Take your misguided inaccurate opinions and your what difference does it make remarks and other accusations and go bother people about something you might actually know about, tovarich.

                      Das Vadanya.

                      I'm not interested in any more arguments by you or anyone else based on distorting what I said. A good example:

                      "I guess those books you read never explained that in Vegas the shooter can take his bet off the Don't."

                      I was talking about stories, antidotes, and the experiences of writers who worked behind the table and you want to start an argument making irrelevant comments about my knowledge of the rules of the game.

                      "the reasoning is that if a guy has you by the cajones you want him to let go."

                      Or the obvious, because probability favors any Don't bet after the point is established. And it's just as obvious they were probably told they must make a line bet to roll the dice and probably didn't know the rules. Did someone tell you "Everybody knows you can save 15% on Geico" and did you counter with "But did you know Don't betters can remove their bets after the point is estabished?"

                      "I'm getting a little irritated that you keep accusing me of making all this up."

                      Then we're even because I'm getting irritated because you can't or won't acknowledge I'm quotng from a book review. If you tell me which part of the review is confusing you, I'll try to explain it.

                      "If your headed, for Vegas for the first time take this book along. It's great fun to walk into a casino with your companions and start giving them the "insiders information"."

                      What percentage of active LP members do you think are Rated Players and what percentage knows all the casino crap rules?

                      "It's the dealers, box, and floor job to PROTECT THE GAME."

                      I was on a Craps table at the Showboat in AC (way back in the day) when they had a fire drill and the dealers beat the players out the door. The stick man said they were told to immediately exit the building and they did. That happened around 1997, but apparantly they still had fire drills in 2007. 

                      "That is the number one rule of casino work."

                      Right, but just not the number one rule in AC casinos?

                      "They don't want to be distracted by some yo yo tourist who read a book and thinks he knows everything and causes beefs."

                      The truth is YOU didn't like the distractions and with your attitude is exactly why I believe you were a dealer and probably in a long defunct casino.

                      "Those running Native American casinos would laught their arses off at that remark. Who do you think is calling who pale faces."

                      As if it makes a huge difference who is making the racist remarks. Someone suggested you could write and him and you could "make a fortune" and I made the observation books with preceived racism might not sell.

                      "What a moron."

                      You're the one who said "Native American casinos hire a certain amount of pale faces to get up and running."

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                        I was on a Craps table at the Showboat in AC (way back in the day) when they had a fire drill and the dealers beat the players out the door. The stick man said they were told to immediately exit the building and they did. That happened around 1997, but apparantly they still had fire drills in 2007. 

                        That you think 1997 is 'way back in the day' is hysterical.

                        I guess you couldn't figure out that this was probably the policy after the MGM fire in Las Vegas or that somebody locked the lid on the bank or stuck around to do so. A lot of people got killed in that fire when a Keno board exploded. It became known as a real life Towering Inferno. People were still playing poker machines with one hand and pointing at the fireball coming towards them with the other one. I worked with a guy who had pictures of cadavers they found just like that after it happened. But I'm sure no real life explanation will touch anything you can find in some book about it. 

                        Should you ever develop the creativity to start a thread and not spend your time on LP looking to criticize everyome elses I may read yours. Until then bye bye and enjoy the alternative reality you're trapped in. I'm sure in your mind it's a nice place evden though a lot of other people consider you an overopinionated obnoxious know-it-all creep who really doesn't know much.

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                          smart enough to know I'm not the smartest...

                          Do you know what I was trying to tell Stack47 above?

                          Hint: It's not what he thought.

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                            I was on a Craps table at the Showboat in AC (way back in the day) when they had a fire drill and the dealers beat the players out the door. The stick man said they were told to immediately exit the building and they did. That happened around 1997, but apparantly they still had fire drills in 2007. 

                            That you think 1997 is 'way back in the day' is hysterical.

                            I guess you couldn't figure out that this was probably the policy after the MGM fire in Las Vegas or that somebody locked the lid on the bank or stuck around to do so. A lot of people got killed in that fire when a Keno board exploded. It became known as a real life Towering Inferno. People were still playing poker machines with one hand and pointing at the fireball coming towards them with the other one. I worked with a guy who had pictures of cadavers they found just like that after it happened. But I'm sure no real life explanation will touch anything you can find in some book about it. 

                            Should you ever develop the creativity to start a thread and not spend your time on LP looking to criticize everyome elses I may read yours. Until then bye bye and enjoy the alternative reality you're trapped in. I'm sure in your mind it's a nice place evden though a lot of other people consider you an overopinionated obnoxious know-it-all creep who really doesn't know much.

                            C YA

                            "It's the dealers, box, and floor job to PROTECT THE GAME. That is the number one rule of casino work."

                            But after I pointed out the dealers flew out of the casino during a fire drill and it's not the "numberl one" rule, you Google "Las Vegas casino fire" and pretend you knew about it.

                            "I worked with a guy"

                            Yep, you worked with everybody and to you that trumps the same story in a book.

                            "a lot of other people consider you an overopinionated obnoxious know-it-all creep who really doesn't know much."

                            With your attitude towards the "tourists" I'll bet you were told that by your casino supervisors when you were fired.

                            "Should you ever develop the creativity to start a thread"

                            This is the "News Forum" and we are not allowed to start threads. It must have really ticked you off because I mentioned most of your stories were already told in books. Seriously, you should have a couple original stories to offer, especially after over 20 years of working in grind joints.

                            http://www.vegastripping.com/features/feature.php?feature_id=22&page=1 

                            BTW, one of those books from the collection I found at the estate sale has a large section on casino lingo.

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                              smart enough to know I'm not the smartest...

                              Do you know what I was trying to tell Stack47 above?

                              Hint: It's not what he thought.

                              "Hint: It's not what he thought."

                              I'm not the smartest guy in the room either, but smart enough to not to comment on what you were saying. However what I did comment on proved to be true in later posts.

                              Just wondering, does Don Catlin use casino lingo like "has you by the cajones you want him to let go" in his gaming articles?