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N.C. Powerball winner target of $10M lawsuit by local pastor

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Posted: February 15, 2016, 3:28 pm - IP Logged

They say lottery winners usually go backrupt within 2-5 years at the rate shes dropping Benjamins ($12 million on bail bonds, $700k on church donation, etc) Ms. Holmes will probably go penny less around 2016-17 and leave nothing for her poor kids.

    TheMeatman2005's avatar - lightening
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    Posted: February 15, 2016, 3:34 pm - IP Logged

    A Priest, Pastor, and a Rabbi were sitting around discussing how they divide the take from each Sabbath.

    The Priest said, "What I do is draw a line down the center of the room and then throw the money up in the air. Whatever lands on the left is God's, whatever lands on the right is mine."

    The Preacher said, "Well I do almost the same thing only I draw a circle in the middle of the room. Whatever lands in the circle is mine and the rest belongs to God."

    The Rabbi says, "No, you both are doing it wrong. I take the money and throw it up in the air. Then I yell, God, Take what you want!. Whatever comes back down is mine......."

    The Meatman

    “The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it in your back pocket.” Will Rogers

    Winning happens in a flash, Like A Bolt Of Lightning!  Patriot

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      Posted: February 15, 2016, 3:38 pm - IP Logged

      Miss Holmes may be gullible to all the predators around her, fiance, the city, the pastor. So even if she ends up broke and penniless, may the Father be with her and give her peace as is, because money doesn't matter to him. She's probably much kinder than myself, because if I win no one would be able to reach me, not a soul! Her aunt said no to the pastor, and what a blessing it was, she revealed what a devil he truly is, even if he wins. A depressed pastor, an oxymoron!

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        Posted: February 15, 2016, 3:57 pm - IP Logged

        She had better hold on to that cash, she is likely going to need to bail "Hot Sauce" outta jail......yet again! Thumbs Up

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          Posted: February 15, 2016, 4:16 pm - IP Logged

          Hope this SCAM artist rot in hell and Marie & "Hot Sauce" dance around heaven all day!

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            Posted: February 15, 2016, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

            Doesn't matter what they agreed to unless it was signed and notarized in ink. Can't believe this is making news. Shame on the greedy pastor!

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              Posted: February 15, 2016, 4:52 pm - IP Logged

              Doesn't matter what they agreed to unless it was signed and notarized in ink. Can't believe this is making news. Shame on the greedy pastor!

              Have you never made an oral agreement with anyone?

              For instance...If you win, you will split it 50/50 with me. Then you win and say you never made such an agreement!

              The Meatman

              “The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it in your back pocket.” Will Rogers

              Winning happens in a flash, Like A Bolt Of Lightning!  Patriot

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                Posted: February 15, 2016, 5:02 pm - IP Logged

                If Pastor Matthew story was totally true. He wouldn't been alone praying at this woman home. Most church 's  members the entire congregation would have been praying with him. This is the kind of blessing the pastor tell his whole congregation.He is talking to real estate people without money in hand making promises to give other part of money over a two year period.I really don't know about his church, but his church's financial board, executives & congregation vote on issues this big. When you give a large donation, you can specify where you money is used. Example said, the church send out a call to the member that a new roof. It starts a roof fund separated from the general fund. We write use for NEW Church Roof only /Return if not use for that purpose. It make the church accountable.If Marie have of been give it to his church, it belong to the church not Pastor Matthew. The church board can ask him to resign at any time & replace him. They could sent him to another church, the money don't go with him. She had no problems giving a $70,000 to her own church. Pastor Matthew needs real prayer.

                The crazy thing is that he is trying to sue her directly. He was told by her accountant, not her, that the funds could be distributed once the foundation was established, pending information needed from the pastor. I'm assuming the foundation is some sort of donor-advised fund, which allows the executive director, board, staff. etc. to make decisions on behalf of Holmes, but it takes all responsibilities and liabilities from Holmes. If the foundation decides not to distribute the funds, they have that authority. Furthermore, the donations were pledged to the church, not the pastor. And like you said, it was for the purpose of the retreat (like your roof example), not to include the $200,000 the pastor promised to other people and ministries. This alone is reason for Holmes' foundation to reconsider the donations. A pledge is generally only legally binding if there's a contract and/or the organization suffers because of it not being fulfilled (In this situation, neither seem to be the case). The pastor has reason to be upset, and I don't doubt that he has emotional distress from this (especially considering he's already promised the money to others--he's probably super embarrassed, but that's on him). But there's nothing here that will stand in court.

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                  Posted: February 15, 2016, 5:03 pm - IP Logged

                  You would right except that she promised it and he went and put up money on her word to buy the land. AND the minister has a 3 hour recording to the facts that verify everything he says. So for once I actually believe this minister only because he has a 3 hr recording. And that will be held up in court and she will owe it a verbal contract is as good as a written contract especially with the recording she has no recourse. She bails out a drug dealer time and time again but to do some good she decides to go back on her word

                  Any attorneys in the LP Community ???

                  True or Not True ??? ...

                  In some states, you can't submit a recording as evidence of a verbal contract, if the person being recorded did not know he/she was being recorded.

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                    Posted: February 15, 2016, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                    You would right except that she promised it and he went and put up money on her word to buy the land. AND the minister has a 3 hour recording to the facts that verify everything he says. So for once I actually believe this minister only because he has a 3 hr recording. And that will be held up in court and she will owe it a verbal contract is as good as a written contract especially with the recording she has no recourse. She bails out a drug dealer time and time again but to do some good she decides to go back on her word

                    The article clearly states, "On the last few minutes of the recording, Perry can be heard stating, "Well, I appreciate you allowing me to call and spend this amount of time with you this morning. I'm going to go ahead and email you as soon as we hang up. Just reply to that. I'm going to ask for a few things — if you just get that to me at your leisure."" 

                    If these things were not given or contained information that sent red flags or would cause any liability to the foundation, the foundation could take back it's pledge. For example, they wanted to see financial statements, and the statements showed significant misuse of funds. Another example--they want to see a budget and plan (which may be why the pastor talked to real estate professionals), and the budget/plans did not match the requested donation.

                    A recording, especially if one party is unaware they are being recorded, is not legally bonding in many, many cases.

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                      Posted: February 15, 2016, 5:11 pm - IP Logged

                      This pastor sought out this lottery winner solely because she was a lottery winner and then ingratiates himself into her life by "praying" with some family members; what he learned during these prayer sessions is that he had come across someone who was easily manipulated which he then set about to exploit. Watch out for false prophets, they come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Three hour recording- more manipulation on his part to bolster his case should he not succeed in his exploitative plot. Despicable actions by this "pastor".

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                        Posted: February 15, 2016, 5:54 pm - IP Logged

                        I agree.  He is a hustler, liar and thief.  And I have a LOT of questions for this guy:

                        What is the name of the church were he is a supposed 'pastor'? 

                        Where is his congregation?? 

                        Who the hell needs a 3 hour conversation to hear "the foundation will be set up by the end of the year and they will review your request at that time"??  Sounds like he was trying to wear her accountant out and just jaw-jackin' to hear himself speak. 

                        Why is he dealing directly with Marie Holmes, who is not a member of his church? 

                        This is a con job, plain and simple.   If I was Pastor Kevin Matthews, I would be very careful.  "Hot Sauce" probably knows a lot of thugs (in and out of jail) who could make shark poop out of this guy if he doesn't back off.  The ocean is a BIG place and he would never be heard from again.

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                          I agree.  He is a hustler, liar and thief.  And I have a LOT of questions for this guy:

                          What is the name of the church were he is a supposed 'pastor'? 

                          Where is his congregation?? 

                          Who the hell needs a 3 hour conversation to hear "the foundation will be set up by the end of the year and they will review your request at that time"??  Sounds like he was trying to wear her accountant out and just jaw-jackin' to hear himself speak. 

                          Why is he dealing directly with Marie Holmes, who is not a member of his church? 

                          This is a con job, plain and simple.   If I was Pastor Kevin Matthews, I would be very careful.  "Hot Sauce" probably knows a lot of thugs (in and out of jail) who could make shark poop out of this guy if he doesn't back off.  The ocean is a BIG place and he would never be heard from again.

                          Lol

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                            Posted: February 15, 2016, 6:30 pm - IP Logged

                            Oh, and I would think that there would be a lot more stress and anxiety sitting with a dying member of your congregation, than people asking about the property you said you were going to buy. 

                            Of course, it could be that a Bookie is threatening to break his leg (or worse) if he doesn't pay up on his Superbowl bet.  That would make me feel stressed out and anxious...

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                              Posted: February 15, 2016, 6:39 pm - IP Logged

                              Have you never made an oral agreement with anyone?

                              For instance...If you win, you will split it 50/50 with me. Then you win and say you never made such an agreement!

                              I do NOT ever make oral agreements about lottery winnings or promise anything to anyone.

                               

                              I did NOT read anywhere in the oral agreement how long she has to pay this $10 million, she could pay a penny a day till it's paid off, that's why oral agreements in court aren't good enough and him being a pastor is going to get him tossed out of the church by the board for bringing all this negative attention to the church. God's teaching goes against what this pastor is all about!

                              And like someone else mentioned, she could purchase the land for the church and keep it in her own name for tax purposes. This pastor think he's going to benefit from her riches and live like the tv pastors with the big cathedral churches that holds 1000s of people and drive fancy Bentleys, Caddilacs and Mercedes. 

                               

                              Can't wait to see the update on this one esp with the pastor, I'm sure he'll withdraw this lawsuit before he gets thrown out..lol