Lottery number strategies subject of newspaper investigation

Dec 6, 2005, 1:26 am (46 comments)

New Jersey Lottery

The odds are long. The drawings are random. And the house keeps a much greater share of wagers than other forms of gambling.

In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten.

"There is no system that can improve your chances of winning the lottery, period," says Mike Orkin, a California mathematician who has written extensively about gambling odds.

Yet the quest for an ever-elusive winning lottery strategy is alive and well — and for sale.

On a quiet, dead-end street in Denville stands the headquarters of Double-Red Publishing, purveyors of 90 lottery periodicals. The titles range from "Three Wise Men Dream Book Almanac" — a sort of "Old Farmer's Almanac" for numbers players — to a sloppily hand- drawn leaflet titled "Grandma: What Numerology Means to You."

Company officials won't say how much they make selling advice to the luck-lorn. But a visitor to Double-Red's warehouse can only conclude that the brothers who run the business, Ben and Anthony DeSomma, aren't going broke selling copies of "Professor Hitts Number Secrets" for $3 a pop and "Lucky Number Envelopes" for $5.

File boxes are stuffed with order sheets from thousands of lottery ticket retailers nationwide, many of which ply Double-Red's stock via customized magazine racks next to their lottery ticket displays.

"Sometimes, the books just fly off the shelves too quickly and the retailers don't know what to do," says Anthony DeSomma.

He used to run an electronics repair shop in Montclair, but local TV repairmen are getting squashed by the service departments at big- box retailers, he said. Now, the DeSommas are captains of their industry.

"I have people calling me up just to tell me about a new system they're trying, and how they took one of our books and did this and that," he said. "They track this stuff like crazy. For some of these people, the lottery is like a religion."

Like the lottery itself, the lottery advice business has its niches.

A Star-Ledger analysis of five years of lottery ticket sales and winnings found sales tend to be higher in lower-income neighborhoods than in more affluent areas. And the pattern is even stronger for certain lottery games — lower- income ZIP codes buy far more Pick 3, Pick 4 and scratch-off tickets per capita than areas with higher-income households.

Almost all lottery literature is targeted at Pick 3 aficionados, Ben DeSomma said. "Let me put it this way," he said. "You won't sell a Pick 3 book in Beverly Hills."

Each booklet generally falls into one of two camps: analytical and mythical.

There are ersatz statistical analyses that examine numbers that have come up recently in various state lotteries, and advise playing "hot" or "due" numbers.

"If you would like to see how many times the number '123' hit in New Jersey since the lottery began, our Big Clara's Pix&Hit lottery sheet will tell you this," Ben DeSomma said. "There is a higher probability that the numbers which have hit more are a safer bet to play."

Orkin disputes such claims. In mathematical terms, each drawing is "independent," and what happened the day before is irrelevant. In other words, he said, the numbered balls that pop out of the chute have no memory.

At the other end of the spectrum are mystical tomes that instruct readers how to interpret their dreams in ways that might lead to winning plays.

Some titles have been put out by various publishers for decades.

A century ago, when illegal numbers games were taking hold, underground publishers put out "dream books" for players.

The books were inspired by the African "Hoodoo" tradition, a form of mysticism that attached symbolic significance to numbers and were particularly popular among African-American numbers players, said Catherine Yronwode, who runs an occult products store in Northern California.

"Anglo-Americans tend to see dreams in a Freudian way, about what they say about their lives and their relationships," she said, whereas in the Hoodoo tradition, dreams are windows to the future.

The DeSommas sell a number of dream books. "The Three Wise Men" title has been published since the 1920s, Ben DeSomma said.

Dream about cabbage, for instance, and "The Three Wise Men" advises playing 638 in the Pick 3.

One devoted reader is Ron Jackson, a 52-year-old disabled laborer from Bayonne. He pledges his lottery allegiance to Double- Red's "Black Jack Almanac," which lists suggested plays for every date. Jackson's system: Play the numbers one month ahead of the dates in the book.

On an afternoon earlier this year, he was ensconced in his usual hangout, Pyramid Traders on Broadway at 25th Street, the almanac in hand.

He figures he spends $50 a day playing the lottery. "I live here," he said while waiting in line to make some Pick 3 plays.

Thousands also seek advice online. Todd Northrop, a Somerset County resident, runs "Lottery Post," a Web site with 20,000 registered members. The most popular feature: Forums where members post lottery predictions.

On any given day, he said, a member can pick a state and go through lists of lists — numbers that other members believe will come out on that day. It's a pastime that inspires true devotion.

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Both DeSomma and Yronwode also sell an assortment of amulets, charms and potions. In fact, Yronwode has written a book about Hoodoo herb magic and sells 180 herb blends in her shop — including a product called "Lucky 13 Lottery and Bingo Oil."

Yronwode insists this is not snake oil: "We make these and we pray over them for you," she said.

Orkin, who has written several books about gambling odds, is among the unbelievers.

"Millions of dollars are spent by people who run the lottery games to make sure they're random," he said.

In New Jersey, an accounting firm sends two representatives to witness every drawing. And the bottom line: The lottery pays customers just 55 cents back in prizes for every dollar wagered — far less than other forms of legalized gambling.

"There are weird streaks and patterns that are caused by chance alone, but that doesn't mean you can use that to your advantage for future drawings," Orkin said.

Star Ledger

Comments

BobP's avatarBobP

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

bellyache's avatarbellyache

Well, I will continue to use the systems I enjoy using regardless of this article. =)

Ineverwin

BobP, what's a ballset collection and how do you know when it has been changed?

sirbrad's avatarsirbrad

Funny then how ever since I started using my own system that I have won more, and come closer to the BIG jackpots every time I play. I guess that must just be a striking "coincidence." Skeptical  I WILL beat the lottery one day soon, whether it be by luck or skill does not matter to me. The dents I am making are only getting bigger, and Faith moves mountains...

BIRD's avatarBIRD

I guess I need to release my book !

good press for lp
demonter

A steady, consitent play strategy is the first step to lottery success. Utilizing the multi-day feature has worked well for me winning the second prize in the Cash 5 game in my state repeatedly...How? Steady play day after day, all the time...no one else I know plays multi-day consistently. I win more often than they do...logical? As for the BIG ONE, win small first, again and again,,, the BIG HIT is more likely to come your way than to an erratic goofball player. Mathematics? I tried it and I am satisfied. Try it.

Todd's avatarTodd

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

Good feedback.  I did mention the stat boards, and many other things to the reporter.  It turns out that there was a decidedly negative angle towards the lottery, and I'm guessing that my comments would make the lottery seem too fun.

Badger's avatarBadger

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

Good feedback.  I did mention the stat boards, and many other things to the reporter.  It turns out that there was a decidedly negative angle towards the lottery, and I'm guessing that my comments would make the lottery seem too fun.

Gee, it was a decidely negative article?  Big surprise, huh?

When they start out with

In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten.

"There is no system that can improve your chances of winning the lottery, period," says Mike Orkin, a California mathematician who has written extensively about gambling odds. ...that's kind of telling.

And let's not forget, bumblebees cannot fly.  That's a fact. Science says so. It's impossible. Therefore, every time you see a bumblebee, remember.....they beat the odds.

bellyache's avatarbellyache

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

Good feedback.  I did mention the stat boards, and many other things to the reporter.  It turns out that there was a decidedly negative angle towards the lottery, and I'm guessing that my comments would make the lottery seem too fun.

Gee, it was a decidely negative article?  Big surprise, huh?

When they start out with

In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten.

"There is no system that can improve your chances of winning the lottery, period," says Mike Orkin, a California mathematician who has written extensively about gambling odds. ...that's kind of telling.

And let's not forget, bumblebees cannot fly.  That's a fact. Science says so. It's impossible. Therefore, every time you see a bumblebee, remember.....they beat the odds.

They started out the article negative, so it wasn't a surprise that it would stay that way. I doubt however, that it will change many peoples minds who play the lottery.

orangeman

Journalists are obligated to treat the lottery the same way they treat flying saucers and Big Foot.  No reason to put your credibility on the line when you can get a good article out of it.  Believe me on this.  I was in the newspaper business for 29 years. Just consider the source.    Clown

Orangeman                                                           

cps10's avatarcps10

Amen. I have to agree with the one poster - Faith moves mountains. If you are determined to do something, generally you can see it through. I haven't beaten the lottery yet, but does that deter my efforts? A resounding NO! I think it's possible to create a steady income playing the numbers games. I think it's also much tougher to win the big ones, but heck, it happens every day, doesn't it?

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Two hundred years ago you didn't have to be a scientist to make the statement "what goes up must come down" because that's how it had always been.  A hundred years from now someone may say a hundred years ago, you didn't have to a mathematician to make the statement "a lottery can't be beaten" because that how it had always been.  This reporter writes about what has always been when most of us lottery players are dreaming of what will be tomorrow.  We may never find that winning lottery strategy, but if we win the big prize once we won't care and the search will have been worth it.

RJOh

cps10's avatarcps10

And perhaps that winner will come from me buying a ticket in Springfield OH ;) to rub it in the in-laws face...hahaha

konane's avatarkonane

Todd, congrats on the mention of Lottery Post ... wish they'd printed more but we're learning that reporters make/slant the news how they want it to be delivered.........

They missed one important fact ....... every person who wins money playing any lottery game effectively beats the lottery. 

It's done every day in every state Cash 3 on up to MM and PB.  Just because a person may choose to reinvest their winnings back into more tickets makes them no less a winner. 

bellyache's avatarbellyache

Funny then how ever since I started using my own system that I have won more, and come closer to the BIG jackpots every time I play. I guess that must just be a striking "coincidence." Skeptical  I WILL beat the lottery one day soon, whether it be by luck or skill does not matter to me. The dents I am making are only getting bigger, and Faith moves mountains...

I agree. For me, I have won more with systems then I have with just doing quick picks. It hasn't been big wins yet, but it is still more.

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

PartyAt least LP got some PR. 

Chewie

What is amazing is that New Jersey has tons of winners in Cash 5 and Lotto that defied the odds, and they managed to miss mentioning those that did some good with the money. Personal and otherwise.  Of course, if you know anything about the Star, you know where their head is.

bellyache's avatarbellyache

Thousands also seek advice online. Todd Northrop, a Somerset County resident, runs "Lottery Post," a Web site with 20,000 registered members. The most popular feature: Forums where members post lottery predictions.

On any given day, he said, a member can pick a state and go through lists of lists — numbers that other members believe will come out on that day. It's a pastime that inspires true devotion.

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

I agree Tenaj, at least LP got some exposure. So good for Todd! =)

 

Todd's avatarTodd

I agree, the author could have done a lot worse, as far as Lottery Post is concerned.  I too wished for a little more coverage (including perhaps a link), but that's just the way it shakes out sometimes.  Besides, given the tone of the article, maybe the amount of coverage was just right.

cps10's avatarcps10

Don't worry Todd...once we have a system that works all the time, we can put them to shame.

WTG on the publicity...I completely agree with that!

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

SnowmanCurious to know how many hits to the site will increase. 

konane's avatarkonane

SnowmanCurious to know how many hits to the site will increase. 

I Agree!    Sun Smiley

demonter

What is amazing is that New Jersey has tons of winners in Cash 5 and Lotto that defied the odds, and they managed to miss mentioning those that did some good with the money. Personal and otherwise.  Of course, if you know anything about the Star, you know where their head is.

Demonter responds to Chewie:

Good point about the NJ Cash 5...I hit the second prize more than once  last year and I do not play hundreds of dollars a day/week. It is the best overall bet in NJ. Tonight 12/06/05 it's going off at over a half a million dollars, thats a nice hit any way you slice it.

LckyLary

I say to Mike O. and the other naysayers "BULLDINKY!!!!"

I had FIRST prize on Pick 5 a few years ago using a system written in QuickBASIC. Also recently I could have won $150K if I had wheeled 6 or 7 numbers instead of using only the top 5 picks. I get the bonus ball on MegaMillions almost every drawing. The last few years I have been developing a more advanced system which has often won money playing only a few dollars a day. Without my system I very rarely won. I made it myself so that I'm not playing the same #s as everyone else. If you BUY one then so are other people! Nothing is perfectly random as long as the same kind of machine and the same kind of pingpong balls and roughly the same mix time are being used.

time*treat's avatartime*treat

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

Good feedback.  I did mention the stat boards, and many other things to the reporter.  It turns out that there was a decidedly negative angle towards the lottery, and I'm guessing that my comments would make the lottery seem too fun.

Gee, it was a decidely negative article?  Big surprise, huh?

When they start out with

In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten.

"There is no system that can improve your chances of winning the lottery, period," says Mike Orkin, a California mathematician who has written extensively about gambling odds. ...that's kind of telling.

And let's not forget, bumblebees cannot fly.  That's a fact. Science says so. It's impossible. Therefore, every time you see a bumblebee, remember.....they beat the odds.

Hey! That's my line! Banana

Of course the press comforts the afflicted and afficts the comfortable. Don't try to confuse them with facts when their minds are already made up. This is what you'll get. Pity the poor wiccans and psychics who give interviews around Hallowe'en.  

Clairvoyance's avatarClairvoyance

If the lottery cannot be beaten how is it that many of us can pick 3 digits out of 10 and pin the tail on the donkey and we can do this just about everyday! If that is not beating then lottery then what is? How about when those here can pick 4 numbers right as well and again pin the tail on the donkey? If we can do this with pick 3 and or pick 4 what is to stop us from pick 6 correct numbers? There is nothing stopping it and so I disagree with the statement the lottery can Not be Beaten! Only the closed mind would agree with that statement.

 

I have already picked 4 correct numbers in match 6 what is to stop me from one day picking all 6 right? My philosophy is that if you are supposed to win … You WILL! And nothing or no one could stop that from happening! Again there is no stopping a person from picking all 6 numbers and win, unless the game is rigged! I would like to see an article done about shadiness of some lotteries rather than see an article that says that it cannot be beaten. It can be beaten if there is no outside interference going on!

 

At any rate I thought the part about this forum was done well and as Todd said:

 

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Yep and we are winning too!!!! As they say “The proof is in the Pudding”!

Winning is Winning is Winning, either 1 million, 1 hundred thousand, or 100 dollars its still called Winning!

Congrats Todd!

Best of Luck to All!
Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

The Pick 3 and Pick 4 games were developed as our part of the reparations from slavery..I am trying to get all I can. Rich folks have Wallstreet and I have Pick 3 and sometimes Pick 4.  ROFL

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

If the lottery cannot be beaten how is it that many of us can pick 3 digits out of 10 and pin the tail on the donkey and we can do this just about everyday! If that is not beating then lottery then what is? How about when those here can pick 4 numbers right as well and again pin the tail on the donkey? If we can do this with pick 3 and or pick 4 what is to stop us from pick 6 correct numbers? There is nothing stopping it and so I disagree with the statement the lottery can Not be Beaten! Only the closed mind would agree with that statement.

 

I have already picked 4 correct numbers in match 6 what is to stop me from one day picking all 6 right? My philosophy is that if you are supposed to win … You WILL! And nothing or no one could stop that from happening! Again there is no stopping a person from picking all 6 numbers and win, unless the game is rigged! I would like to see an article done about shadiness of some lotteries rather than see an article that says that it cannot be beaten. It can be beaten if there is no outside interference going on!

 

At any rate I thought the part about this forum was done well and as Todd said:

 

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Yep and we are winning too!!!! As they say “The proof is in the Pudding”!

Winning is Winning is Winning, either 1 million, 1 hundred thousand, or 100 dollars its still called Winning!

Congrats Todd!

Best of Luck to All!

FrownDon't waste your breathe Clairvoyance, I've been though this one time today.  And it came out the mouth of a poster who posts 10 threads per 30 minutes and knocks everybody else's threads off faster. 

It's like I said before it's the people who haven't beaten it would make such an ignorant statement.

emilyg's avataremilyg

If the lottery cannot be beaten how is it that many of us can pick 3 digits out of 10 and pin the tail on the donkey and we can do this just about everyday! If that is not beating then lottery then what is? How about when those here can pick 4 numbers right as well and again pin the tail on the donkey? If we can do this with pick 3 and or pick 4 what is to stop us from pick 6 correct numbers? There is nothing stopping it and so I disagree with the statement the lottery can Not be Beaten! Only the closed mind would agree with that statement.

 

I have already picked 4 correct numbers in match 6 what is to stop me from one day picking all 6 right? My philosophy is that if you are supposed to win … You WILL! And nothing or no one could stop that from happening! Again there is no stopping a person from picking all 6 numbers and win, unless the game is rigged! I would like to see an article done about shadiness of some lotteries rather than see an article that says that it cannot be beaten. It can be beaten if there is no outside interference going on!

 

At any rate I thought the part about this forum was done well and as Todd said:

 

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Yep and we are winning too!!!! As they say “The proof is in the Pudding”!

Winning is Winning is Winning, either 1 million, 1 hundred thousand, or 100 dollars its still called Winning!

Congrats Todd!

Best of Luck to All!

FrownDon't waste your breathe Clairvoyance, I've been though this one time today.  And it came out the mouth of a poster who posts 10 threads per 30 minutes and knocks everybody else's threads off faster. 

It's like I said before it's the people who haven't beaten it would make such an ignorant statement.

tenaj - i'm in the mood to break some fingers - will you join me?  lol

Editgap

I thought they were onto us. Woo, it is better that way.

sclotto's avatarsclotto

"Orkin, who has written several books about gambling odds, is among the unbelievers."

  Mr. Orkin needs to stick with the math books and go somewhere and find some termites to kill. Every man or woman is going to believe in what they believe in. I believe in the numbers game, and I believe there are many ways to win at it. Keep winning LP members!

cahaba's avatarcahaba

If the lottery cannot be beaten how is it that many of us can pick 3 digits out of 10 and pin the tail on the donkey and we can do this just about everyday! If that is not beating then lottery then what is? How about when those here can pick 4 numbers right as well and again pin the tail on the donkey? If we can do this with pick 3 and or pick 4 what is to stop us from pick 6 correct numbers? There is nothing stopping it and so I disagree with the statement the lottery can Not be Beaten! Only the closed mind would agree with that statement.

 

I have already picked 4 correct numbers in match 6 what is to stop me from one day picking all 6 right? My philosophy is that if you are supposed to win … You WILL! And nothing or no one could stop that from happening! Again there is no stopping a person from picking all 6 numbers and win, unless the game is rigged! I would like to see an article done about shadiness of some lotteries rather than see an article that says that it cannot be beaten. It can be beaten if there is no outside interference going on!

 

At any rate I thought the part about this forum was done well and as Todd said:

 

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Yep and we are winning too!!!! As they say “The proof is in the Pudding”!

Winning is Winning is Winning, either 1 million, 1 hundred thousand, or 100 dollars its still called Winning!

Congrats Todd!

Best of Luck to All!

FrownDon't waste your breathe Clairvoyance, I've been though this one time today.  And it came out the mouth of a poster who posts 10 threads per 30 minutes and knocks everybody else's threads off faster. 

It's like I said before it's the people who haven't beaten it would make such an ignorant statement.

tenaj - i'm in the mood to break some fingers - will you join me?  lol

I Agree!

Bluegrass's avatarBluegrass

If the lottery cannot be beaten how is it that many of us can pick 3 digits out of 10 and pin the tail on the donkey and we can do this just about everyday! If that is not beating then lottery then what is? How about when those here can pick 4 numbers right as well and again pin the tail on the donkey? If we can do this with pick 3 and or pick 4 what is to stop us from pick 6 correct numbers? There is nothing stopping it and so I disagree with the statement the lottery can Not be Beaten! Only the closed mind would agree with that statement.

 

I have already picked 4 correct numbers in match 6 what is to stop me from one day picking all 6 right? My philosophy is that if you are supposed to win … You WILL! And nothing or no one could stop that from happening! Again there is no stopping a person from picking all 6 numbers and win, unless the game is rigged! I would like to see an article done about shadiness of some lotteries rather than see an article that says that it cannot be beaten. It can be beaten if there is no outside interference going on!

 

At any rate I thought the part about this forum was done well and as Todd said:

 

"Some Lottery Post members literally spend hours each day coming up with the right numbers to play and carefully prepare elaborate forum posts designed to highlight the best numbers," Northrop said.

Yep and we are winning too!!!! As they say “The proof is in the Pudding”!

Winning is Winning is Winning, either 1 million, 1 hundred thousand, or 100 dollars its still called Winning!

Congrats Todd!

Best of Luck to All!

FrownDon't waste your breathe Clairvoyance, I've been though this one time today.  And it came out the mouth of a poster who posts 10 threads per 30 minutes and knocks everybody else's threads off faster. 

It's like I said before it's the people who haven't beaten it would make such an ignorant statement.

tenaj - i'm in the mood to break some fingers - will you join me?  lol

I Agree!

Bravo!  I agree 110% !  Bob Guitarbg (Smarty Pants)

harryb1978

You know the funny thing. I used to buy all kinds of books then I read one that made the most sence. It looked at all major winners in the past 20 years. 95% of them spent 1 buck on a quick pick and thats who always wins. No lucky numbers or birthdays ever payout.

emilyg's avataremilyg

You know the funny thing. I used to buy all kinds of books then I read one that made the most sence. It looked at all major winners in the past 20 years. 95% of them spent 1 buck on a quick pick and thats who always wins. No lucky numbers or birthdays ever payout.

i agree with you on jackpot games.  cash 3 and cash 4 is workable.

starchild_45's avatarstarchild_45

It's always the people who don't play the game who know exactly why you can't win.  Even random has patterns.  You start with a ballset collection, after a time you find there are hot, average and cold numbers.  When you check them a year later within the life of the ballset collection, you find the hot numbers are still hot, the average are still average and the cold or dead numbers are still doing next to nothing.  When the ballset collection is changed, a portion of the numbers totally change to a different hit rate. 

I notice the part of the article doesn't cover where the numbers come from for the lucky number books.  I've seen them and really wondered if any thought and strategy goes into the picks, or if they are just random picks pretending to be the result of research or mystic picks. 

Also noticed the article doesn't get into the Lottery Post hit rate for predictors . . .

BobP

Good feedback.  I did mention the stat boards, and many other things to the reporter.  It turns out that there was a decidedly negative angle towards the lottery, and I'm guessing that my comments would make the lottery seem too fun.

Gee, it was a decidely negative article?  Big surprise, huh?

When they start out with

In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten.

"There is no system that can improve your chances of winning the lottery, period," says Mike Orkin, a California mathematician who has written extensively about gambling odds. ...that's kind of telling.

And let's not forget, bumblebees cannot fly.  That's a fact. Science says so. It's impossible. Therefore, every time you see a bumblebee, remember.....they beat the odds.

They started out the article negative, so it wasn't a surprise that it would stay that way. I doubt however, that it will change many peoples minds who play the lottery.

pick 3 and pick 4 is bad and is bad all your money out. i agree with the article. you can't win at those but only get even.

i am real happy lottery post got a write up in the article.

i play for fun and always play pick 6 games or multi state games. at least i know i am going to loose maybe 10 dollars over a month and not 50 dollars a day with these wheels.

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

"In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten."

Thank you Captain Obvious for that awe inspiring revelation.

Most of the millions of people who line up to play the lottery did not realize this till now.

These millions choose numbers based in a variety of methods:
    Analytical, Statistical, Physics, Mythical, Spiritual, Psychic, Astrological, Quick pick, Birth date, Wheel driven, Impulse event driven, Dream related, Self generated random numbers, Mechanical self generated random numbers, Electronic self generated random numbers, Subconscious suggestion, The little voice in your head that says; "Play these numbers...", etc.

There is one thing these people have in common, they are ALL predictions base in some kind of method that seems logical to the person using it.

I don’t think that for one moment a person stepping up to the counter and asking the clerk to place a bet on whatever numbers they’ve chosen does not have somewhere in the back of their mind, "The lottery cannot be beaten."

libra926

Two hundred years ago you didn't have to be a scientist to make the statement "what goes up must come down" because that's how it had always been.  A hundred years from now someone may say a hundred years ago, you didn't have to a mathematician to make the statement "a lottery can't be beaten" because that how it had always been.  This reporter writes about what has always been when most of us lottery players are dreaming of what will be tomorrow.  We may never find that winning lottery strategy, but if we win the big prize once we won't care and the search will have been worth it.

RJOh

HAPPY WEDNESDAY "RJOH".....12/7

Your points are excellent and right on target.........funny, someone last Saturday said in another Blog that the Educational Level  of the Lotterypost was apparently very low, based on some of the posts he had read.........As a College Educated Woman, I strongly disagree......and you are one of many people, in this Forum,  who in my opinion,  is highly educated, and a true Thinker....

Addendum: One doesn't have to have a College Education to be Educated or Intelligent..Just look at "Bill Gates"......... 

 

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libra926

"In sum: The lottery cannot be beaten."

Thank you Captain Obvious for that awe inspiring revelation.

Most of the millions of people who line up to play the lottery did not realize this till now.

These millions choose numbers based in a variety of methods:
    Analytical, Statistical, Physics, Mythical, Spiritual, Psychic, Astrological, Quick pick, Birth date, Wheel driven, Impulse event driven, Dream related, Self generated random numbers, Mechanical self generated random numbers, Electronic self generated random numbers, Subconscious suggestion, The little voice in your head that says; "Play these numbers...", etc.

There is one thing these people have in common, they are ALL predictions base in some kind of method that seems logical to the person using it.

I don’t think that for one moment a person stepping up to the counter and asking the clerk to place a bet on whatever numbers they’ve chosen does not have somewhere in the back of their mind, "The lottery cannot be beaten."

HAPPY WEDNESDAY.......12/7

LOLOLOLOLOL........LOVED YOUR POST...........ON TARGET....LOLOLOLOL

csfb's avatarcsfb

Writer of the article mentions Lottery Post, apparently noticing that Lottery Post is the leading lottery site in the whole worldwide web.  I agree with this observation, by the way.

Rick G's avatarRick G

The mathemetician should have said the lottery is very difficult to beat but not impossible. The only thing making it very difficult is the state's take at 50% or more. If there was no take, a good portion of predictors here at LP would prove that "impossible" claim to be incorrect.

Even with the state's take, there are predictors still showing profit in various games in various states. Obviously they didn't take the time to look at the LP predictor stats.

Todd, congrats on getting your name and site in print. Is it just me or is there a STEADILY INCREASING membership? (28,000 +) So I guess we owe a big thanks to the negative article.   It just shows that there are a lot of people out there who think this game CAN be beaten...otherwise we all wouldn't be spending hours each day trying to do it.

Todd's avatarTodd

Thanks Rick.  I didn't notice an overwhelming increase based on the mention in the paper, especially since the article's author failed to provide a link.  (Not nice.)  The membership overall has been continuing to grow at a rapid pace, however, which was helped more than anything by some redesign work I did to the site design.  That allowed searched engines to more easily index the pages of the site, which leads to a far greater number of high-ranking hits on the big search engines, like Google and Yahoo.

Rick G's avatarRick G

Well Todd, whatever you did, it is definitely working with the membership rolls.

A PS to my previous post.....There are 12 predictors showing a lifetime profit in the pick 6 games which are obviously the hardest to win and involve the largest of all the states games "take", so the "mathemetician's" statement has been proven false right here at LP.

WTG predictors!

Todd's avatarTodd

Right on Rick!  One of the great things about the predictions page is that it doesn't tell a lie -- if you're ahead, then you really did beat the game, no doubt about it.  And that's using the state payouts, rather than what one could get playing online!  There are so many talented predictors, it's really great to see.

libra926

"Orkin, who has written several books about gambling odds, is among the unbelievers."

  Mr. Orkin needs to stick with the math books and go somewhere and find some termites to kill. Every man or woman is going to believe in what they believe in. I believe in the numbers game, and I believe there are many ways to win at it. Keep winning LP members!

LurkingHAPPY THURSDAY......12/8

LOLOLOL.....your post is terrific....great sense of humor......LOLOLOLOLOL

CASH Only

"Orkin, who has written several books about gambling odds, is among the unbelievers."

  Mr. Orkin needs to stick with the math books and go somewhere and find some termites to kill. Every man or woman is going to believe in what they believe in. I believe in the numbers game, and I believe there are many ways to win at it. Keep winning LP members!

LurkingHAPPY THURSDAY......12/8

LOLOLOL.....your post is terrific....great sense of humor......LOLOLOLOLOL

ROFL

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