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Posted: September 15, 2006, 1:56 pm - IP Logged

This is a kind of interesting thread, and is one of those things where you either believe it or you don't, and there isn't much that the other side can say to sway your opinion.

So I'll just post my opinions, along with a comment.

First of all, there are many state lottery employees who browse the Lottery Post forums, which is good news for any players.  It means that those employess are listening to you.  They are here because they want to hear what you are saying.

Lottery Post is the largest lottery forum on the Internet, so what other site would they go to in order to listen to players?

Some of the comments made here insinuate that state lottery employees somehow manipulate the drawing results because people post predictions of what they're going to play, in order to limit the amount of the payout to players.

If you think about life as a state lottery employee, that really doesn't make much sense.  Whether you are saying that they do something small or something large to manipulate the results, a manipulation of the results is fraud, and that entails criminal penalties.  Does anyone really think that some state lottery employee would care so much abot you winning 500 bucks that they would risk being thrown in jail?

Do you realize that the number of people posting here is miniscule next to the overall number of people who play every day?  There are somewhere between 100 and 125 people posting predictions every day, and the overall number of players is at least in the tens or hundreds of thousands, maybe in the millions sometimes.  Do you really think that stopping you from winning 500 bucks is going to make a difference, knowing that they are only dealing with a small fraction of the player base?

On the other hand, you should be considering why they are here:  to listen to what you're saying. The fact that lottery personnel are listening means that the next time they make a change to a game, or add a game, or whatever, they will hopefully take our collective opinions into account.  So it's a good thing.

Lastly, here's the comment I promised.

This thread reminds me of an accusation thrown at me by Dawn Nettles, the Texas Lottery antagonist who was in the news a year ago.

Ms. Nettles is someone who appears to have started with a healthy skepticism of the lottery, but eventually began to see a conspiracy in everything they did.  At some point, she turned from a lottery watchdog into someone who leveled accusations any place she liked, regardless of proof or merit.

In my case, she first wrote me a note scolding me for not posting my name, address, and phone number on my web site.  I thought this was a little strange, but I explained to her that it is unwise for someone to post their personal information on their web site.

What was her response?  That I was a lottery employee, or an ex-lottery employee, and I was in cahoots with the state lotteries to spread propoganda about the lotteries.

Needless to say, my next e-mail to Ms. Nettles was to be my last, as I do not make it a habit to correspond with kooks.

The ironic thing is that I have offered to help state lotteries in the past as a consultant, but so far none have taken me up on the offer.  Go figure!

I am not exactly sure of what "Pumpi" had in mind when he started this thread, or who exactly he thought the "lottery employee" was, but I can guess.  I always advise people to think logically about these things, and not to assume to worst in everything.

If people won the lottery as often as they could flip "heads" or "tails", then it would make sense to think there was something wrong if you didn't win a lot.  But the truth is that you'll get a straight hit as many times as you can flip that coin "heads" 10 times in a row, so unless you think you can do that very often, don't jump to conspiracy theories.

I think you nailed it Todd.  Well said. 

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    Yes, pumpi, that's EXACTLY what it stands for...COPS. I am just a dumb hillbilly redneck from NC that forgot how to spell.

    And actually, I believe someone died this year in GA or somewhere South and people played her birthyear. Ticket sales for that Pick-4 number were halted because of it. And the sucker hit.

    When Coretta Scott-King passed earlier this year, her birth year was sold out that day and the next.  I was able to play it (played the day before for the next day) and hit when it fell.  GA has had a $8 million dollar cap on Cash3 & Cash4 for a few years now.  They used to get killed when a trip would hit.

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      Posted: September 15, 2006, 2:15 pm - IP Logged

      I think you nailed it Todd.  Well said. 

      I Agree!

      Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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        Posted: September 15, 2006, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

        First...I am with Emily...I spend the first 8 months of each year working for the IRS (both state and Federal) and the last 4 months for the Lottery. Thank goodness pan handling pays well or I could have never afforded that new car we just bought.

        Jester

        Second...gotta love those conspiracy theorist who somehow become convinced that they are so incredibly important in this world that a specific group has decided to single out that one individual. Uh, yeah, uh huh, sure I believe such (damn...gotta stop watching those old Mel Gibson movies or "THEY" are gonna get me).

        Third...I love the references that some folks make when they comment about how "they just know" such and such. Guess sites like Ask.com, Google and Yahoo should just shut down. I mean, why bother oneself with a few minutes of simple research when you can just declare how it is? BTW...while you are at it...click your heels together 3 times and chant "I Believe...I Believe...I Believe..."

        Many of the questions posed by Pumpi (and a few others) have answers that is well documented and fact checked by both Community Watch Dog Groups as well as organizations out there that do not but logistics to insure accuracy. And yes, occasionally, thanks to the fact that "Humans" are still involved, mistakes happen. And most of the time, they are accounted for.

        And finally...you darn lottery employees, you have gotta stop keeping the balls I am picking from dropping on all the games I play. Oh, and if any of you really took anything I have wrote above seriously, gee whiz, you really need a new hobby.

        Sir Metro

        Of course I am right (my wife ain't around is she???)

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          Posted: September 15, 2006, 2:29 pm - IP Logged

          When Coretta Scott-King passed earlier this year, her birth year was sold out that day and the next.  I was able to play it (played the day before for the next day) and hit when it fell.  GA has had a $8 million dollar cap on Cash3 & Cash4 for a few years now.  They used to get killed when a trip would hit.

          Thank you Toney...that's what I was thinking of...there ARE caps for games, unless they are pari-mutuel.

          The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

          Stooges

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            Some of you may view the lottery differently but i view the lottery as the great satan...Or as the bad guys from the movie the Matrix...

             

             

            "...Great, you won the lottery but is only you..."

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              Some of you may view the lottery differently but i view the lottery as the great satan...Or as the bad guys from the movie the Matrix...

               

               

              "...Great, you won the lottery but is only you..."

              Then I guess I wonder why you even bother with something you associated with being evil. As for myself, I view it as a mental numbers game. And in the little tiny space I call my world, that's all the entertainment I need. As for Mr. Smith from the Matrix Trilogy, well, I guess you better be carefull before you experience a deja vue and everything around you changes huh?

              But then again, I once knew a Lady who purchased a lottery ticket back when the MegaMillions  was known as the Big Game. She had the first 5 numbers correct, but was missing the bonus ball. Sadly, she let it expire. When I asked why, she told me, her husband was a deacon in her church and her church took a firm stance against the lottery and simply put, she was afraid her husband would be mad because she bought the ticket in the first place. And she was afraid if the church learned about it, they would kick him out.

              Oh and yes, I did offer to take it up for her, even had the perfect alibi for it, but she decided against it. Oh well, guess life is a little different for everyone.

              Sir Metro

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                Then I guess I wonder why you even bother with something you associated with being evil. As for myself, I view it as a mental numbers game. And in the little tiny space I call my world, that's all the entertainment I need. As for Mr. Smith from the Matrix Trilogy, well, I guess you better be carefull before you experience a deja vue and everything around you changes huh?

                But then again, I once knew a Lady who purchased a lottery ticket back when the MegaMillions  was known as the Big Game. She had the first 5 numbers correct, but was missing the bonus ball. Sadly, she let it expire. When I asked why, she told me, her husband was a deacon in her church and her church took a firm stance against the lottery and simply put, she was afraid her husband would be mad because she bought the ticket in the first place. And she was afraid if the church learned about it, they would kick him out.

                Oh and yes, I did offer to take it up for her, even had the perfect alibi for it, but she decided against it. Oh well, guess life is a little different for everyone.

                Sir Metro

                sir metro - ouch!  silly lady - she could have given it to a charity.

                love to nibble those micey feet.

                 

                                             

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                  sir metro - ouch!  silly lady - she could have given it to a charity.

                  No kidding....something that the Church works with....besides, if he got fired from there, he could go elsewhere,

                  The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

                  Stooges

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                    there were some deep posts here...let me start off by just saying that the lottery is not against you. The payout is always going to be less then what they take in because common sense tells us that if they paid out higher or as high as their overall profit, they would go bankrupt!

                    I find the ones who complain so much about the lotto not working in their favor are usually the one's who are unsure of their own luck. Blindfolded to all the possible ideas and clues you may be given to win a pick 3 or pick 4 game, megamillions jackpot, or cash 5...

                    I say, these clues aren't noticeble to you because for as long as you continue to focus on a problem or conspiracy that was never there, you will always expect to lose, and therefore you can never expect to win. Focused energy on people who you know nothing about. Im sure the lotto officials are happy with their lives, the last thing on their mind is how miserable someone is because YOU have a personal grudge against THEM.

                    Ahh well, just a thought

                    "The happiest moment of your life will be the moment it ends...thats because it doesn't end but goes on in ways so magnificent, so full of peace - wisdom - and joy, as to make it difficult to describe  and impossible for you to comprehend"

                    God

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                      Put a bunch of marbles in a bag...number them 1 to 56, then blindfoldedly drawn out 5 marbles.....or put it in a machine that shakes it up and allows 5 marbles to fall through a small hole........why is it over a period of time, let's say two months at twice a week......why is a player is able to correctly predict a 5 of 5 on five separate occasions?

                      But this sample principle of 'randomness'....same odds.......is not as successful with the lotto drawings.....are the odds somehow differently?.........is this players program somehow flawed when only applied to the lottery that he plays in?.........what if this players program has produced 5 numbers that were actually drawn, numbers that this player had previously wagered on within days or a couple weeks?

                       

                      How do you explain such a phenomenon to that player?

                      I am interested in hearing the answer......because I am sure there is one.

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                        Shane3,
                        In the 5/56 game (MegaMillions) there are 3,819,816 possible combinations.  During a two month period all the MegaMillions states sell more than 30 million tickets with different combinations.  Do the math, it's no phenomenon that some of them will have 5of5 five or more times during that period. Your program is not flawed but your logic is if you think playing 50 combinations should guarantee you a win.  With 50 lines your odds of matching 5of5 are 1:73,396

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          Put a bunch of marbles in a bag...number them 1 to 56, then blindfoldedly drawn out 5 marbles.....or put it in a machine that shakes it up and allows 5 marbles to fall through a small hole........why is it over a period of time, let's say two months at twice a week......why is a player is able to correctly predict a 5 of 5 on five separate occasions?

                          But this sample principle of 'randomness'....same odds.......is not as successful with the lotto drawings.....are the odds somehow differently?.........is this players program somehow flawed when only applied to the lottery that he plays in?.........what if this players program has produced 5 numbers that were actually drawn, numbers that this player had previously wagered on within days or a couple weeks?

                           

                          How do you explain such a phenomenon to that player?

                          I am interested in hearing the answer......because I am sure there is one.

                          I think you may find the answer you seek (or the most logical explaination) at this web site http://www.megamillions.com/aboutus/game_security.asp (MegaMillions Game Security).

                          As you can tell, there is more then just 2 draws a week and there is more then a single machine and more then a single ball set that is used. Consider this, 3 hours is spent testing for a procedure that will take less then a minute to televise. So perhaps the answer to your question is to not do it just for 2 draws a week, but instead, do the same routine at least 20 times (or more) before each draw. Then play what comes up. Who knows, you just might be on to something.

                          Sir Metro

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                            Sir Metro:

                             

                            Is that not the defination for what I am told is the law of large numbers?  You use an RNG and run several random number sets of differing sizes and then play the last number picked.

                            Example:  Run RNG for 100,000 combinations, the same for 250,000, 500,000, 1,000,000 and so on until you reach your predetermined level.  You write down the last number generated in each of these runs and then play all or some of those numbers.  "The law of big numbers"

                            It is probably more random than your friendly Lotto Store. 

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                              Shane3,
                              In the 5/56 game (MegaMillions) there are 3,819,816 possible combinations.  During a two month period all the MegaMillions states sell more than 30 million tickets with different combinations.  Do the math, it's no phenomenon that some of them will have 5of5 five or more times during that period. Your program is not flawed but your logic is if you think playing 50 combinations should guarantee you a win.  With 50 lines your odds of matching 5of5 are 1:73,396

                              Your points are well noted.......what truly baffeles me is that my system works 'over a period of time' on every kind of random drawing I have tried....marbles 1-56, scraps of paper 1-56...etc......the exact same odds as the big game.......and again remember I am talking about the 2nd prize, that is 5 of 5.

                              And this is not just a random 50 or 55 set of numbers that I am waging on.....but there is a specific mathematical pattern that always, always repeats itself in MM, PB or my own test games and that is why my system has been able to produce actual numbers that have been drawn....and it so happens not to be at the time these numbers have been waged upon.....that is what is not adding up and I need to find a mathematical explanation for this discrepancy.........or are external factors involved? A puzzel that's for sure.