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justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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Posted: February 4, 2007, 12:47 pm - IP Logged

If you really think you are onto something, just don't tell anyone. If you mail it to yourself, that won't mean a thing. (I disagree with anyone who says that it will.)  How can you prove the other person didn't have the idea before you?  I can rob a bank today and send the money to myself via UPS and sign for it, but it doesn't make it mine. Also, the lottery claims the games are random so, unless you can truly prove otherwise, they would argue your theory isn't valid, even if you or anyone else won using it. They would say you just got very lucky.  So if it's that important to you,  keep it private and protect it the way you'd protect anything of value, including a winning ticket.  Here is a good article from Entrepreneur about protecting ideas and inventions.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/startingabusiness/inventing/inventionscolumnisttamaramonosoff/article159556.html

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    Posted: February 4, 2007, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

    Good link, thanks.

    Mailing something to yourself like mentioned is called a "poor man's copyright" and theorhetically, the postmark and unopened envelope is "proof" of the date of "submission".

    It doesn't cost that much to copyright something. A patent is a totally different story.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      LckyLary, 

      If you are continually changing how you pick your combinations then you don't have a system , at best  you're trying to find something that works.
       
      I find that systems are unique to particular lotteries.  I've had some minor success with Ohio RC5 and tried to use those same techniques with PB and MM and it doesn't work.  This could be a result of the differences in odds of winning these games but likewise when I've had some minor success with PB, the same thing doesn't work with MM and these games are very similar. 

      I'm fortunate in that my system consist of several programs, one that searches for unique qualities of different games and another one to use those unique qualities to pick combinations for each game.  So even if I shared my programs with others they would have to do some work on their own to use them most effective for their particular lotteries.

      I've mostly played pick5, pick6 and jackpots games so the qualities that I have observed might be unique to those games and pick3 and pick4 games may be completely different.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: February 4, 2007, 3:48 pm - IP Logged

        The consensus seems to say "keep it to yourself, in the first place". If you want a real life example of your "legal protections" at work check out

        http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-02-25-obit-kearns_x.htm 

        Robert Kearns ~ inventor of intermittent wipers

        Pay special attention to the years mentioned an ask yourself if that's what you want.

        Once someone else looks at your work, you can't unring that bell; and you can't control who they pass that idea on to. 

        If you want to make money from the states you can't play in, far better, I think, to offer tip sheets. Those can be copied, but the copy is obsolete after a day.  

        In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
        Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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          Posted: February 4, 2007, 3:55 pm - IP Logged

          Because this is a lottery systems forum, I deleted one paragraph before.  I questioned the validity of a system in the first place.  The reason was only this:

          If someone wants to protect a lottery system, and the lottery commission agrees that it's a valid claim, then the whole idea that the games are random would be thrown out the window.  So if it's possible for someone to win with a system and he can prove it, the games would probably end.

          IMHO if a system was indeed stolen, whether it was copyrighted or not, if the plagiarist actually won a jackpot, the other guy would have to prove he didn't win simply because he was at the right place at the right time...in other words, he was lucky.  How do you prove something like that?

          Do I own my numbers?  I've been chasing numbers for many years.  I've got the shoebox to prove it! If I post them on this board and someone decides to use them and on Wed hits the $32 million Florida Lotto jackpot (so I have to split it) how can I say he stole my numbers?  Who owns numbers?

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            Posted: February 4, 2007, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

            LckyLary, 

            If you are continually changing how you pick your combinations then you don't have a system , at best  you're trying to find something that works.
             
            I find that systems are unique to particular lotteries.  I've had some minor success with Ohio RC5 and tried to use those same techniques with PB and MM and it doesn't work.  This could be a result of the differences in odds of winning these games but likewise when I've had some minor success with PB, the same thing doesn't work with MM and these games are very similar. 

            I'm fortunate in that my system consist of several programs, one that searches for unique qualities of different games and another one to use those unique qualities to pick combinations for each game.  So even if I shared my programs with others they would have to do some work on their own to use them most effective for their particular lotteries.

            I've mostly played pick5, pick6 and jackpots games so the qualities that I have observed might be unique to those games and pick3 and pick4 games may be completely different.

            I just want to post a comment on this..Numbers are Numbers are Numbers...I WANT TO SAY THIS AS LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII CANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...what ever you find for pic 3 will work for pic 4 and pic 5 and pic 6..if what you find does not work for pic 4..pic 5 and pic 6 then you havent found anything and you havent been reading on here very much at all..or havent comphrehended what you have read..IE..Lotterybraker hits Badger 5..it is the same technique..just a larger set..as the number of combinations increase so will time and so will each set..the system remains the same..

                  The System is the same..I dont change it up..I look to shrink the set down..that is pretty much all I have done..I cycled Michigans pic 3 on January 14th..since that time ..I have hit 12 straights..I want yall to remember January 14th for Michigan..when the test run is over I will post the results..I am looking for at least 30 straights next 150 days..I have it set for 50 straights but that is going to be a reach on time..so REMEMBER..January 14th Michigans pic 3 midday and evening..12 down 18 to go..I am going to shoot for the 30

            "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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              Posted: February 4, 2007, 5:30 pm - IP Logged

              oh yeah..I will go ahead and post 10 of the straights for all of you.,..I have set on 50..12 is out..10 is listed here..that makes 22..the other 28 is on paper..STRAIGH ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              1.  001,010,100

              2.  166,167,176,177

              3.  288,289,298,299

              3.  388,389,398,399

              4.  422,423,432,433

              5.  566,567,5476,577

              6.  688,689,698,699

              7.  744,745,754,755

              8. 866,867,876,877

              9. 900,901,910,911

              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                lotterybraker breaker writes:
                ".......what ever you find for pic 3 will work for pic 4 and pic 5 and pic 6..if what you find does not work for pic 4..pic 5 and pic 6 then you havent found anything......."

                LckyLary writes:
                "The best way to protect your system is to keep changing it as conditions change. My system yesterday is obsolete today....."

                justxploring writes:
                "I questioned the validity of a system in the first place.  The reason.........the whole idea that the games are random would be thrown out the window."

                RJOh writes:
                "I find that systems are unique to particular lotteries.....I've mostly played pick5, pick6 and jackpots games so the qualities that I have observed might be unique to those games "

                Four totally different ideas about lottery systems, all good but hard to prove except with results.  Good luck to you all.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: February 4, 2007, 6:09 pm - IP Logged

                  Whether we're talking Pic 3 or Powerball (or Pick 12  in fact, if it ever gets to that), a "system" that produced a (singular) winner might cause some turmoil, if it was proven it was indeed a jackpot "predictor".

                  A system that picked winning number sets constantly would simply result in the game it was applied to not being offered anymore.  

                  The game of KENO financed the Great Wall of China. It's still offered and is one of the highest pc casino games, if not the highest.

                  Dice players go broke playing "Six and Eight" systems (betting on those numbers) trying to overcome 6 to 5 or 7 to 6 odds.

                  A winning lottery system would be nice, but thus far the closest we've come to a game being shut down is when a numbe r(Pick 3 / 4) gets locked out.

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    if all of you want to know what the key is braking the Lottery Code..I will tell you..

                     0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9..see this sequence..if you can master it..you will break the code..I have spent 20 years trying to break this sequence..you know what I have found?..it  cant be done!!!..or I will say I cant do it..so if you break the sequence I will climb to the tallest Montain Top and Proclaim you King of all whole Numbers..let me give a little test of what you will be up against..and feel free to confrim this for yourself..I cant remember which ppic 3 it was oneday I was just searching numbers..first digit 8 came out like 6 or 7 times straight in a row..you know what..YOU CAN NOT ACCOUNT FOR THAT..I cant..no computer program can..NOTHING CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT..

                    Pick a starting point in your pic 3 or pic 4 in your past history..run the 0-9 sequence as the first digit..see how long it takes..it will take an average time from 15-60 days to complete..every time a number repeats it will throw what you are looking for 1 day further into the future plain and simple..

                    TIME EXPLANATION FOR ALL THE NEWBIES!!!!!!

                     000-999..ALL 1000 COMBINATIONS= 1 COMBO....TIME = 1 DRAW

                    000-099  100 COMBINATIONS, 1 COMBO...TIME=15-60 DRAWS to complete the sequence

                    100-199 100 COMBINATIONS, 1 COMBO..TIME= 15-60 DRAWS "                            "

                    ETC

                    ETC

                    ETC

                    ETC

                     So when you run the sequence it will bounce around in the 0-9 sequence leaving you with ONE number 0-9 that hasnt shown yet..so..lets say you found 567 coming..and lets say its 5's turn to complete the 0-9 sequence..well its going to be anywhere from 15-60 draws before you even get a chance to miss it or hit it...its kind of the same concept as ll of ya'lls sums, roots,,etc..its just another sequence that has to be completed is all..you know root sum 10 is coming..you just dont know what day..BECAUSE NOONE ON THIS PLANET CAN ACCOUNT FOR DIGITS GOING DRAW TO DRAW..THAT IS THE BIGGEST SECRET ON THE PLANET..yep..we all get lucky every once in a while..but you will miss more times than not..just like me..so I set my system up years ago to run into the future BECAUSE I GOT TIRED OF WORKING UP NUMBERS FOR ONE NIGHT and missing them..

                    Like I said..if you can master the 0-9 sequence and know what the next digits are going to be going from draw to draw to draw then you will win every draw..right?..I cant account for 8 coming in the first position 6 or 7 times in a row no matter how rare it is..MULTIPLE REPEATING DIGITS CAN BE a blessing and a curse..just remember if you are looking to complete the sequence..when a digit repeats..what you are looking for just got pushed out one more draw!!!!!!

                    "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                      one more comment if I may..I beg all of you not to read anything into these posts..I promise I am not trying to be a smart ass or anything so please dont think that..that is just some general information that I have learned over the past 20 years dealing with these numbers and I hope it will be helpful to some..onething you can never tell about posting on the internet is a persons TONE..so I assure all of you that I am not trying to be or wasnt being a smart ass..and if anything I post sounds like that I the I apologise..it is not my intention..COMPLETE THE SEQUENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you will find what you are looking for...

                      "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                        I never thought of you as a smart ass or anything negative.  I like hearing different opinions and ideas. Otherwise life would stand still.  I do understand what you mean about "tone" since I've often been misunderstood. (story of my life) 

                        Don't worry about it.

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                          let me try and give a example..or try to explain this the best I can ok//completeing the sequence..I will use ROOT SUMS as an example ok..how many are there..15,16?..I dont use them so how ever many there are..that is your set..so lets go with the 16 I have listed here ok..

                          1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16...that is your set..you need several test runs to get an idea of time..I am going to show all of you how important time is if it kills me..lol

                          get you a good average on time to see how long it takes for all 16 root sums to show..once you do that you have something to work with..ok..just for the sake of argument it takes 60 days and that is only a guess..so..start you run 50 days in the past to the future and you should have one sum or  so missing..those will be coming and coming soon..

                          also..you can get a very good idea of when the last sum will show by using the same trick I told everyone about many months ago when I joined this site..if you have a set of 16 root sums...IN A PERFECT WORLD IT WOULD ONLY TAKE 16 draws to get every root sum right?..we dont live in a perfect world..so every time a root sum REPEATS adds one draw to the 16 total..so..hypothetically speaking out of the set of 16..if you were to have 13 root sums to repeat while trying to run that sequence the ABSOLUTE EARLIEST DAY THE SEQUENCE WILL BE COMPLETE IS 29 days into the future..the same thing works for single digits..pairs..and even the entire combination

                          what is it 55 known pairs?..so the absolute earliest time frame all 55 pairs can come out is what..?..55DAYS..while you are running the sequence any pair that repeats will add ONE DAY TO 55 DAYS INTO THE FUTURE BEFORE THE LAST PAIR WILL SHOW...this is all I do..I work in sets thats all..I just figured  a way to shrink the pic 3 down where if I have any idea what the next number is in the drawing that I am working in a VERY SMALL group instead of the ENTIRE SET ..that plus all the numerical knowledge I have acquired over the years has been very helpful..are those cycles perfect..nope..it has the same problem as before..it tells me what is coming..but what order this time..BUT IT STILL DOESNT GIVE ME THE DAY..because I still cant account for 8 coming out 6 or 7 times in a row..or any other number that may or may not do that..I hope this little bit of info will help out some..

                          "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                            Posted: February 5, 2007, 9:49 am - IP Logged

                            Time cycles...

                            I like it. It's pretty much the way Duke is programmed to work, but I find that my programs run hot and cold.

                            I've been looking into the High/Low - Odd/Even situation of numbers lately. There's eight combinations from each set and they tend to cycle quickly. We might be able to narrow things down by combining the two ideas.

                            Smiley Steve

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                              Steve if I may make a suggestion..I probably wouldnt even consider High/Low..first of all they are not set in stone ..lol..what is high..what is low..do you consider 3 low..6 high..little differences that mess up sets where there is not concrete direction either way..odd or even is a different matter..they are set in stone..0-2-4-6-8....1-3-5-7-9..now I may be wrong about the high/low because I dont use them so I am not sure what everyone would consider high or low..what about 4 and 5..they are actually in the middle..lol

                              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"