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Do you Believe Lotteries are Random?

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Posted: March 21, 2009, 3:50 pm - IP Logged

Of course I don't, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on it. No, I don't think there is some man pulling a magic lever to decide what magic balls are pushed through. But I do believe when dealing with numbers they form undeniable patterns.

What are your thoughts and why?

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    Of course I don't, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on it. No, I don't think there is some man pulling a magic lever to decide what magic balls are pushed through. But I do believe when dealing with numbers they form undeniable patterns.

    What are your thoughts and why?

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      Posted: March 21, 2009, 6:56 pm - IP Logged

      Since quick picks wins most of the time, yes it is random. If it wasn't I would make a profit.

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        Posted: March 21, 2009, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

        Sometimes I think That the hour end between the cut off and the drawing they run numbers and see what it looks like  as far as how many winners payouts etc,I feel like it is controled some kind of  way.

        Too many people playing, not that many winners

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          Posted: March 21, 2009, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

          I think most players believe lottery drawings are random but some think even random events have patterns of behavior or else there wouldn't be those players using a system or workouts to pick their numbers.  Everyone would just buy quick-picks or play their lucky numbers rather than trying to find those over due and hot numbers to play.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: March 21, 2009, 8:53 pm - IP Logged

            yes they are random...its simply too many combinations by design...no need to do anything additional after that..payouts and rules are set so that the lottery has edge no matter what

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              Posted: March 21, 2009, 9:21 pm - IP Logged

              Random is a term that is used in mathematics and cryptography.  The definition (paraphrased) is that you can not determine the next number with any high degree of accuracy by looking at the previous numbers.

              All of us here on LP have found that to be TRUE of the numbers used for lotto. 

              In cryptography the "random" numbers are used to make a message unreadable by someone that does not know the sequence of numbers used.  Crypto experts will tell you that the quality of the randomness is determined by who you are trying to keep the message from!  Is it your grade-school-age sister?  Is it the computer guru that works in your office?  Is it a third-world country?  Is it the NSA with at least half a dozen super computers working 24 hours a day to break codes?

              So, the computers that generate random numbers for lottery numbers are of good enough quality to fool us! 

              Yes, the numbers are random and they are random enough to prevent the general public from figuring out the next number!

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                Posted: March 21, 2009, 9:51 pm - IP Logged

                Sometimes I think That the hour end between the cut off and the drawing they run numbers and see what it looks like  as far as how many winners payouts etc,I feel like it is controled some kind of  way.

                Too many people playing, not that many winners

                I Agree! , I often have this in mind but what I do know is that the Lottery is a business like no other and their is nothing random about business and that's square biz.

                Remember we are the decisions that we make, please take the time to educate.Stooges

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                  Posted: March 21, 2009, 10:00 pm - IP Logged

                  Yes & no.  Everything we are is the result of being in a certain place at a certain time.  Have you ever seen a car accident ahead of you and wondered "What if I had left 1 minute earlier? What if I had been traveling 5 miles an hour faster?" So, no matter how carefully calculated something is, it can be altered by only a fraction of a second by a random, unplanned event (like a sneeze or hesitation) and randomness can be manipulated by a planned sequence of events.

                  I'm not sure exacty what I said, but it makes perfect sense to me. Crazy

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                    Posted: March 21, 2009, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

                    I Agree! , I often have this in mind but what I do know is that the Lottery is a business like no other and their is nothing random about business and that's square biz.

                    I totally agree!!!

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                      Posted: March 21, 2009, 11:16 pm - IP Logged

                      So, what's up with the word random? Why all the confusion? As with most words, over use and misuse of the word tends to dilute its meaning. Over the years, scientists, mathematicians and engineers have misused the word random by automatically applying it to any observation or analysis that was too complex to describe with simple mathematical formulas. In almost knee jerk fashion, anything they didn't understand and couldn't explain must be random.

                      Over the last forty years, state sponsored lotteries have trumpeted the random draw theory; everyone has the same chance to win and nobody has an advantage. If this were true, why have the lotteries been trying to make their random games of chance, MORE RANDOM? Isn't random, random?

                      The answer is NO. In fact, in recent years, the concept of lottery randomness has been challenged and, like the casinos, the lotteries have responded with various actions. First, any possible mechanical advantage due to lotto ball design was addressed. The lotto ball was made more uniform. The numbers were no longer painted on the lotto balls because this unbalanced the ball. Air blower design was improved and motor speed was regulated to insure air speed did not vary with power fluctuations. Multiple machines were used and selected at random for each drawing. This has had the effect of making the lotteries appear more random. You see, random doesn't mean that trends do not exist; it simply means that trends are hard to identify.

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                        So, what's up with the word random? Why all the confusion? As with most words, over use and misuse of the word tends to dilute its meaning. Over the years, scientists, mathematicians and engineers have misused the word random by automatically applying it to any observation or analysis that was too complex to describe with simple mathematical formulas. In almost knee jerk fashion, anything they didn't understand and couldn't explain must be random.

                        Over the last forty years, state sponsored lotteries have trumpeted the random draw theory; everyone has the same chance to win and nobody has an advantage. If this were true, why have the lotteries been trying to make their random games of chance, MORE RANDOM? Isn't random, random?

                        The answer is NO. In fact, in recent years, the concept of lottery randomness has been challenged and, like the casinos, the lotteries have responded with various actions. First, any possible mechanical advantage due to lotto ball design was addressed. The lotto ball was made more uniform. The numbers were no longer painted on the lotto balls because this unbalanced the ball. Air blower design was improved and motor speed was regulated to insure air speed did not vary with power fluctuations. Multiple machines were used and selected at random for each drawing. This has had the effect of making the lotteries appear more random. You see, random doesn't mean that trends do not exist; it simply means that trends are hard to identify.

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                          Posted: March 22, 2009, 1:18 am - IP Logged

                          If the lottery used a single machine and ballset I believe we'd have a much better shot at predicting a reduced field for wheeling.  The lottery's use of multiple machines and ballsets indicates to me they agree.

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                            If the lottery used a single machine and ballset I believe we'd have a much better shot at predicting a reduced field for wheeling.  The lottery's use of multiple machines and ballsets indicates to me they agree.

                            BobP

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                            That might be true for the big games like MegaMillions and PowerBall but when Tennessee installed their computers to simulate random drawings for their pick3 and pick4 games, they went unchecked and unchanged for a couple of weeks even though some of their players complained about no doubles being picked.

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                              Posted: March 22, 2009, 10:48 am - IP Logged

                              I believe nothing in this world is truly random.