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# Do you Believe Lotteries are Random?

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Dump Water Florida
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Arrrgh it is 180, stupid brain.  BobP

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The red highlighted show repeats where there was not a repeat in what I listed.  That is obvious.  So, the real problem is that you must be using a different data base.  I maintain my own databases and I do them Midday to Midday and Evening to Evening.  I think you don't and that explains the difference.

I call it an honest mistake on my part.  I am sorry for the confusion and that you jumped to the quick conclusion that I had some agenda and was lying.  I wasn't.

I will try to see how I can use the 80% or more repeats to my advantage.  Thank you for pointing it out.

It's not that they're using a different database, and it has nothing to do with midday vs evening drawings (that's apparent from their data and their statement about numbers repeating in "the very next drawing"). They're apparently using a concept of "repeat" that comes from an alternate reality where an event that happens on Monday can be a "repeat" of something that happens on the following Tuesday. Pay attention to the results that they count as repeats:

 2/28/2009 M 6 6 7 2/28/2009 E 0 9 9 9 3/1/2009 M 9 4 7 9 3/1/2009 E 5 5 3 3 3/2/2009 M 6 3 6 3

There is no 3  in the results for either drawing on 2/28 or the midday drawing on 3/1, but they think its first occurrence in the evening drawing on 3/1 is a repeat. Each time a number actually repeats, they count it as also repeating the first time it comes up. Since their definition of a repeat is faulty their calculation of how often repeats happen is obviously going to be inaccurate. You miscounted the first time but your figure of 58 repeats is right. It's also almost exactly how often we should expect to see repeats. Anyone who thinks that suggests that the drawings aren't random clearly doesn't understand simple probability.

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Whether a combo repeats or doesn't or whatever pattern they display doesn't justify randomness. I think you're confusing randomness with shenanigans. I think that you think that because of the specific random pattern you are observing you feel that the lottery is somehow manipulating the drawings, and the results are not the "random" results you expect.

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I have a question??? I thought christians weren't allowed too gamble because gambling is considered a sin??? (even though the BIBLE does not mention anything about gambling being a sin)I was just curious (back too the sibject at hand)A member in here said that because quick-picks win most of the time the lottery is random well the reason quick-picks win the most is because that's what players use most of the time they play.More people buy quick-picks compared with people that play lucky numbers,pick them randomly on the playslip,think of some numbers too play or use some kind of strategy/system.

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I have a question??? I thought christians weren't allowed too gamble because gambling is considered a sin??? (even though the BIBLE does not mention anything about gambling being a sin)I was just curious (back too the sibject at hand)A member in here said that because quick-picks win most of the time the lottery is random well the reason quick-picks win the most is because that's what players use most of the time they play.More people buy quick-picks compared with people that play lucky numbers,pick them randomly on the playslip,think of some numbers too play or use some kind of strategy/system.

Gambling is not a sin.  However, the ill effects it can have on you and your family can be a sin if you allow them to happen.  Not being able to pay the rent or buy proper food or give to the church because of gambling is the sin.

Random can have patterns.  For example a stream with rapids might appear to be total chaos, yet perfect whorl-pools may form and exist for a time before dissolving into chaos once again.  What the lottery tries to do is toss big rocks into the area to disrupt the whorl-pools by rotating machines or computers.

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Of course I don't, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on it. No, I don't think there is some man pulling a magic lever to decide what magic balls are pushed through. But I do believe when dealing with numbers they form undeniable patterns.

What are your thoughts and why?

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i don't believe lotteries are random, i think they are 50% random...

This is what i think....I think the lotteries like if they knew u was a super good predictor and you predicted the numbers, and let's say they come out, what i think the lottery will do is conduct more than the normal pre-test, somehow they use the pre-test drawings....Like they will record the pre-test several times on TV and use the one they like between the 3 or 4 pre-test they pre-televise, so in a way it will be sort of random...I've seen too many anomalies in the lottery for it to be random...people will say that it is random but this is what i believe...

but i don't believe they do this often only when they think they are in danger which are seldom, that's why not all 365 tv drawings of the year are live most of them are live but not all.....

i'll tell you examples that lead me to believe the stuff i believe, i am not talking about all evens or all odds i am just putting an example to better explain what i am talking about...How often does the combination that has all 6 numbers even play? In Pick5 years ago i noticed that it played once a month but that was years ago i don't know how oftern it is now but it should be around that but in Pick6 or Powerball is longer than that...Well there have been moments that i've put in my blog "the combination that has all even numbers will not play tomorrow so people do not play it" following drawing "all even combinations" play...This has happened 3 different times in different months.....Not just with even and odd but the winner's name which leads me to believe that they do influence the winning number some....

in a way i am glad it happens this way, but at the same time you get mad when it is YOU making the predictions...

as far fetch as this may sound this is what i believe...

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i don't believe lotteries are random, i think they are 50% random...

This is what i think....I think the lotteries like if they knew u was a super good predictor and you predicted the numbers, and let's say they come out, what i think the lottery will do is conduct more than the normal pre-test, somehow they use the pre-test drawings....Like they will record the pre-test several times on TV and use the one they like between the 3 or 4 pre-test they pre-televise, so in a way it will be sort of random...I've seen too many anomalies in the lottery for it to be random...people will say that it is random but this is what i believe...

but i don't believe they do this often only when they think they are in danger which are seldom, that's why not all 365 tv drawings of the year are live most of them are live but not all.....

i'll tell you examples that lead me to believe the stuff i believe, i am not talking about all evens or all odds i am just putting an example to better explain what i am talking about...How often does the combination that has all 6 numbers even play? In Pick5 years ago i noticed that it played once a month but that was years ago i don't know how oftern it is now but it should be around that but in Pick6 or Powerball is longer than that...Well there have been moments that i've put in my blog "the combination that has all even numbers will not play tomorrow so people do not play it" following drawing "all even combinations" play...This has happened 3 different times in different months.....Not just with even and odd but the winner's name which leads me to believe that they do influence the winning number some....

in a way i am glad it happens this way, but at the same time you get mad when it is YOU making the predictions...

as far fetch as this may sound this is what i believe...

"Like they will record the pre-test several times on TV and use the one they like between the 3 or 4 pre-test they pre-televise, so in a way it will be sort of random."

The lotteries running for years probably have tapes of every three 3 digit number being drawn and it's possible they could play which ever tape they wanted to get the desired results. However with the 50% keep percentage it's really not necessary to cheat the players.

While each individual drawing is a random event, the results of many drawings will be pretty close to probability. Odd/even and high/low will begin to balance out and since 72% of the pick-3 numbers have three different digits, over time about 72% of the drawings will have three different digits. When this happens there is always a 30% chance that at least one of those digits will repeat from previous drawing, but if it happens in say 50% of the drawings, players can use that to their advantage.

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I hear you with quick picks, they do seem to win quite a bit...

However ponder this... When a heavy system player, has just left a machine,

(now don't forget that system player  has reviewed stats, overdue, hot etc... and has made his play based on that...)

my guess is if lets say the next person in the store asks for a QUICK PICK, then the lotto machine will generate the new numbers

with some of the  old system players numbers inside of it...

Thus creating a lucky accident...or a win... THAT is why it is wise for every player on this site, to always ask for a quick pick after your own system.

if you do not belive me?

go play a 3 number game with any numbers  then ask for a quick pick...usually 2 of your numbers will be in that next quick pick.

peace...greggace

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With a pick3 game, the odds are pretty good, whether you buy QP's or pick your own numbers, the next batch of QP's are going to have some of the same numbers played earlier.  There just aren't that many numbers to be used in combinations of pick3s.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy winning ones *

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Thank you very much K Y Floyd....... it was driving me nuts !

Anytime you see 3 different digits in a number ...... say012 for example ....  there is a66% chance that at least one of those digits will repeat in the next draw.

Oh yeah .... anytime you get a double ...... 011 example ......there is a 49% shot that one of the 2 digits will repeat on next draw.

...... and its all because of the Odds ......and the Math of it .......not because of the Randomness or lack thereof.  LOL

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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"Well there have been moments that i've put in my blog "the combination that has all even numbers will not play tomorrow so people do not play it" following drawing "all even combinations" play...This has happened 3 different times in different months..."

when i said that i was reffering to Pick6 and Pick5....

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virginia pick 3 and 4.

last night 795 box...today midday...795 box...pick 4 midday had the 759 combo in it. random??  doubt it. bring out your theories gurus.

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These are Tx past draws, they are weird looking.

Random?

We could debate that forever,if you ask me, I would say:

Not Random!

04/01/2009     5     8     5     18
03/31/2009     1     6     6     13          03/31/2009     6     5     2     13
03/30/2009     4     4     5     13          03/30/2009     2     0     0     2
03/28/2009     5     3     4     12          03/28/2009     6     7     6     19
03/27/2009     0     0     4     4           03/27/2009     5     2     7     14
03/26/2009     2     7     1     10          03/26/2009     0     7     8     15
03/25/2009     1     2     7     10          03/25/2009     7     8     0     15
03/24/2009     6     7     1     14          03/24/2009     9     4     6     19
03/23/2009     6     8     7     21          03/23/2009     0     3     5     8
03/21/2009     1     6     0     7           03/21/2009     6     7     0     13
03/20/2009     8     9     4     21          03/20/2009     5     6     0     11
03/19/2009     6     8     6     20          03/19/2009     9     2     8     19
03/18/2009     4     7     2     13          03/18/2009     4     2     3     9
03/17/2009     4     2     7     13          03/17/2009     9     1     7     17
03/16/2009     6     1     1     8           03/16/2009     8     4     1     13
03/14/2009     0     0     5     5           03/14/2009     9     0     9     18
03/13/2009     1     4     2     7           03/13/2009     9     8     2     19
03/12/2009     6     9     2     17          03/12/2009     1     7     2     10
03/11/2009     1     5     4     10          03/11/2009     1     0     0     1
03/10/2009     8     8     9     25          03/10/2009     3     9     0     12
03/09/2009     3     9     9     21          03/09/2009     6     5     9     20
03/07/2009     4     8     1     13          03/07/2009     4     3     4     11
03/06/2009     7     5     7     19          03/06/2009     0     8     1     9
03/05/2009     2     6     7     15          03/05/2009     2     7     1     10
03/04/2009     4     8     4     16          03/04/2009     1     4     8     13
03/03/2009     7     0     3     10          03/03/2009     4     2     5     11
03/02/2009     4     9     9     22          03/02/2009     9     4     7     20
02/28/2009     6     0     8     14          02/28/2009     9     4     1     14
02/27/2009     1     7     7     15          02/27/2009     7     6     0     13
02/26/2009     2     4     1     7           02/26/2009     2     0     0     2
02/25/2009     3     4     5     12          02/25/2009     2     6     6     14
02/24/2009     6     1     4     11          02/24/2009     1     3     6     10
02/23/2009     6     3     7     16          02/23/2009     3     9     2     14
02/21/2009     1     9     1     11          02/21/2009     4     3     2     9
02/20/2009     2     4     0     6           02/20/2009     3     5     6     14
02/19/2009     9     4     4     17          02/19/2009     0     6     3     9
02/18/2009     5     5     3     13          02/18/2009     9     1     5     15
02/17/2009     1     3     4     8           02/17/2009     1     0     7     8
02/16/2009     1     7     9     17          02/16/2009     7     9     9     25
02/14/2009     4     9     5     18          02/14/2009     2     9     6     17
02/13/2009     9     0     9     18          02/13/2009     6     1     5     12
02/12/2009     4     3     3     10          02/12/2009     7     3     5     15
02/11/2009     1     7     1     9           02/11/2009     2     8     9     19

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Of course I don't, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on it. No, I don't think there is some man pulling a magic lever to decide what magic balls are pushed through. But I do believe when dealing with numbers they form undeniable patterns.

What are your thoughts and why?

Can Random be predicted

Yes to a degree.