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Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on Mar 21, 2009
So, what's up with the word random? Why all the confusion? As with most words, over use and misuse of the word tends to dilute its meaning. Over the years, scientists, mathematicians and engineers have misused the word random by automatically applying it to any observation or analysis that was too complex to describe with simple mathematical formulas. In almost knee jerk fashion, anything they didn't understand and couldn't explain must be random.
Over the last forty years, state sponsored lotteries have trumpeted the random draw theory; everyone has the same chance to win and nobody has an advantage. If this were true, why have the lotteries been trying to make their random games of chance, MORE RANDOM? Isn't random, random?
The answer is NO. In fact, in recent years, the concept of lottery randomness has been challenged and, like the casinos, the lotteries have responded with various actions. First, any possible mechanical advantage due to lotto ball design was addressed. The lotto ball was made more uniform. The numbers were no longer painted on the lotto balls because this unbalanced the ball. Air blower design was improved and motor speed was regulated to insure air speed did not vary with power fluctuations. Multiple machines were used and selected at random for each drawing. This has had the effect of making the lotteries appear more random. You see, random doesn't mean that trends do not exist; it simply means that trends are hard to identify.
Wow! Well said.
There are millionaires and billionaires, so why aren't there any hundredaires? Things that make you say hmm.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack-C on Mar 24, 2009
There are 220 pick 3 boxed combos. Only 10 are all odd. Only 10 are all even. Only 10 are series, etc., etc., etc.
The things you are pointing out actually PROVE that the draws are random!!
I figured I would get something like this. I think its funny. I don't argue, I just keep banking my bucks. But I can tell what your statement doesn't explain. How often and how many times does a number skip before it hits. For example the number 1 could skip two drawings and hit 120 times and the number 3 could skip two drawings and hit only 46 times. This is something your above statment can't explain. If you had the number 1 and the number 3 out 2 games, which one would you play??
Oh my bag, you would get the quik pick....
Well keep on quik picking sugar, you are only increasing my odds!
What happens most often usually happens, and what happens least often usually doesn't.
In addition, what you said DEFINITELY doesn't contest the fact of how often a number repeats from the previous drawing. In fact, it actually proves that they CANT be random. If random, why the need to repeat a number from the previous drawing most of the time. If what you are saying is true then there would be NO need to repeat a number from the previous drawing more than 80% of the time.
Thanks!
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Quote: Originally posted by Newb on Mar 23, 2009
It's possible to predict with some degree of accuracy a future random event. Its possible to look at past events to know what will happen in the future. So I dont think any lottery can be totally random.
Interesting way to look at it. I guess I never thought of it that way.
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Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on Mar 21, 2009
So, what's up with the word random? Why all the confusion? As with most words, over use and misuse of the word tends to dilute its meaning. Over the years, scientists, mathematicians and engineers have misused the word random by automatically applying it to any observation or analysis that was too complex to describe with simple mathematical formulas. In almost knee jerk fashion, anything they didn't understand and couldn't explain must be random.
Over the last forty years, state sponsored lotteries have trumpeted the random draw theory; everyone has the same chance to win and nobody has an advantage. If this were true, why have the lotteries been trying to make their random games of chance, MORE RANDOM? Isn't random, random?
The answer is NO. In fact, in recent years, the concept of lottery randomness has been challenged and, like the casinos, the lotteries have responded with various actions. First, any possible mechanical advantage due to lotto ball design was addressed. The lotto ball was made more uniform. The numbers were no longer painted on the lotto balls because this unbalanced the ball. Air blower design was improved and motor speed was regulated to insure air speed did not vary with power fluctuations. Multiple machines were used and selected at random for each drawing. This has had the effect of making the lotteries appear more random. You see, random doesn't mean that trends do not exist; it simply means that trends are hard to identify.
This member must be on the same wave length as myself, or do you get random frequencies also, anyone no, I expect you do if someone can't break the code.
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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 23, 2009
I'm having trouble connecting the two trains of thought. Are you saying Tennessee players had their shot at easier predicting and complained about it instead? I doubt the winners taking advantage of no doubles were the ones complaining. As random means anything can happen within perameters, the Tenn Lottery didn't react quickly to the lack of doubles because it was randomly possible even if unlikely. BobP
Actually, that isn't so true. I study a number of lotteries, and in between TN, GA, FL, IL, CA, AZ, MI, and MO. TN has by far the most doubles and triples in their Pick 3 then I see in almost all other lotteries combined. It definitely makes me wonder if they didn't really do something after people complained. I did wonder why they appeared to have a lot more than other states. But I haven't studied all the states so not really sure if there are any others like them.
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DeeSpence, I know you are convinced that the draws are not random and nothing I say will change your mind, but I just wanted to point out that I just looked at the last 100 draws (didn't include today's) for Georgia Midday. Out of the 100 draws 55 had at least one repeat digit. That is 55% not 80%.
You point out that you won't argue, just keep banking the money, so I assume you have found the secret to the "non-randomness" of the lottery. Congratulations and all the best to you. I mean it. I always rejoice when I see someone doing well.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack-C on Mar 24, 2009
DeeSpence, I know you are convinced that the draws are not random and nothing I say will change your mind, but I just wanted to point out that I just looked at the last 100 draws (didn't include today's) for Georgia Midday. Out of the 100 draws 55 had at least one repeat digit. That is 55% not 80%.
You point out that you won't argue, just keep banking the money, so I assume you have found the secret to the "non-randomness" of the lottery. Congratulations and all the best to you. I mean it. I always rejoice when I see someone doing well.
God Bless You.
Jack I hate to argue, but love a good debate. And you opened up the door for one. I am trying to figure out which state's lottery you studied. Because I studied YOURS. California's right??? I choose your Daily 3 and checked your past midday and evening drawings. For the sake of avoiding an extremely long post, I am displaying the 48 drawings I studied. Rougly a month.
Draw Date
Winning Numbers
REPEATS
2/28/2009 M
6 6 7
2/28/2009 E
0 9 9
9
3/1/2009 M
9 4 7
9
3/1/2009 E
5 5 3
3
3/2/2009 M
6 3 6
3
3/2/2009 E
2 3 9
3, 9
3/3/2009 M
9 1 4
9
3/3/2009 E
2 6 6
2
3/4/2009 M
2 4 0
2
3/4/2009 E
6 7 6
7
3/5/2009 M
4 4 7
4, 7
3/5/2009 E
4 0 6
4
3/6/2009 M
4 9 5
4
3/6/2009 E
3 6 8
3/7/2009 M
9 2 1
1
3/7/2009 E
1 0 6
0, 1
3/8/2009 M
0 3 0
0
3/8/2009 E
8 1 6
8
3/9/2009 M
3 8 7
3, 8
3/9/2009 E
3 1 1
3
3/10/2009 M
0 9 2
0
3/10/2009 E
3 0 6
0, 3
3/11/2009 M
2 3 8
2, 3
3/11/2009 E
2 1 2
1, 2
3/12/2009 M
1 6 6
1
3/12/2009 E
3 8 1
1, 8
3/13/2009 M
1 8 9
1, 8
3/13/2009 E
0 0 3
3/14/2009 M
1 1 5
1, 1
3/14/2009 E
4 1 1
1, 1
3/15/2009 M
5 7 5
3/15/2009 E
3 8 6
3/16/2009 M
4 7 0
4
3/16/2009 E
3 4 5
4, 5
3/17/2009 M
5 6 7
5
3/17/2009 E
3 2 2
2
3/18/2009 M
0 2 9
2
3/18/2009 E
2 4 1
2
3/19/2009 M
3 0 3
3
3/19/2009 E
1 4 3
3
3/20/2009 M
7 3 7
3
3/20/2009 E
4 4 5
5
3/21/2009 M
5 1 1
5
3/21/2009 E
6
2 8 6
3/22/2009 M
7 1 6
6
3/22/2009 E
0 2 2
0, 2
3/23/2009 M
1 2 0
0, 2
3/23/2009 E
6 9 3
I would definitely say that is more than 80% of the time. Everyone else reading this post, go to the California Lottery's website to ensure I didn't doctor any dates and numbers. PLEASE check it for yourself.
Jack I thought you were a Christian. Im a Christian, and one of the commandents says, "Thou Shall Not Lie" But you just told a bold face lie, and I just proved it. This debate is definitely over. I have to debate with someone that has facts. I knew you weren't telling the truth with as fast as you came back with your response. You wouldn't have been able to study 100 numbers and come to that conclusion in only ten minutes.
Sorry, I've been doing this a long time.
But like I told you, keep on getting those Quik Picks. You just make the odds greater for me!
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I don't like being called a liar. I will show you the Georgia Midday (that is what I said I used because you are in Georgia) draws that I used. I think I may have miscounted. I think it is 58 repeats. Not a lie...a mistake. BTW, I don't use quick picks, and how do you figure it makes the odds greater for you? LOL
891
834
718
703
175
599
285
900
554
995
119
505
878
927
080
913
012
004
977
464
453
055
962
836
295
221
813
330
715
863
122
418
894
928
206
376
923
219
023
198
156
695
036
798
823
755
765
447
436
129
498
207
369
932
959
237
740
598
060
838
681
507
718
764
018
862
048
936
081
847
785
916
013
219
757
880
456
768
289
457
424
761
061
140
775
906
091
102
813
539
548
329
623
195
241
707
646
728
220
145
I have highlighted the draws that have at least one repeat. What SHOULD the percentage be? And, I am sure you won't share, but I don't see how even if it is 80% that helps predict the next number.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack-C on Mar 24, 2009
I don't like being called a liar. I will show you the Georgia Midday (that is what I said I used because you are in Georgia) draws that I used. I think I may have miscounted. I think it is 58 repeats. Not a lie...a mistake. BTW, I don't use quick picks, and how do you figure it makes the odds greater for you? LOL
891
834
718
703
175
599
285
900
554
995
119
505
878
927
080
913
012
004
977
464
453
055
962
836
295
221
813
330
715
863
122
418
894
928
206
376
923
219
023
198
156
695
036
798
823
755
765
447
436
129
498
207
369
932
959
237
740
598
060
838
681
507
718
764
018
862
048
936
081
847
785
916
013
219
757
880
456
768
289
457
424
761
061
140
775
906
091
102
813
539
548
329
623
195
241
707
646
728
220
145
I have highlighted the draws that have at least one repeat. What SHOULD the percentage be? And, I am sure you won't share, but I don't see how even if it is 80% that helps predict the next number.
Well Jack-C you are a liar. LOL, and you keep proving my point. Where are your dates for the above drawings. Even still you forgot a few. I will highlight those in a different color and ensure that everyone can SEE the ones you clearly omitted, or you don't understand this pattern.
891 The number 8 Repeats
834 The number 8 Repeats
718 The numbers 7, 8 Repeats
703 The number 7 Repeats
175 the numbers 5, 7 Repeat
599 the number 5 Repeats
285 The number 5 Repeats
900 No Repeats
554 the number 5 Repeats
995 The numbers 5, 9 Repeat
119 The number 9 Repeats
505 No Repeats
878 The number 7 Repeats
927 The number 7 Repeats
080 No Repeats
913 The number 1 Repeats
012 The numbers 0,1 Repeats
004 The number 0 Repeats
977 No Repeats
464 The number 4 Repeats
453 The numbers 4, 5 Repeat
055 The number 5 repeats
962 The number 6 Repeats
836 The number 6 Repeat
295 The number 2 Repeats
221 The numbers 1, 2 Repeat
813 The number 3 Repeats
330 The number 3 Repeats
715 No Repeats
863 No Repeats
122 The number 1 Repeats
418 The numbers 1, 4, 8 Repeat
894 The numbers 4 8, 9 Repeat
928 The numbers 8, 9 Repeat
206 The number 6 Repeats
376 The numbers 3, 6 Repeat
923 The numbers 2, 3 Repeat
219 The number 2 Repeats
023 The number 2 Repeats
198 The number 1 repeats
156 The numbers 1, 5, 6 Repeats
695 The numbers 5, 6 Repeats
036 The number 6 Repeats
798 The number 8 Repeats
823 The number 8 Repeats
755 The numbers 5,7 Repeat
765 The numbers 5,7 Repeats
447 The number 4,7 Repeats
436 The number 4 Repeats
129 The number 9 Repeats
498 The number 9 Repeats
207 No Repeats
369 The numbers 3,9 Repeat
932 The numbers 3, 9 Repeat
959 The number 9 Repeats
237 The number 7 Repeats
740 The number 7 Repeats
598 No Repeats
060 No Repeats
838 The number 8 Repeats
681 The number 8 Repeats
507 The number 7 Repeats
718 The number 7 Repeats
764 The number 7 Repeats
018 The number 8 Repeats
862 The number 8 Repeats
048 The number 8 Repeats
936 No Repeats
081 The number 8 Repeats
847 The number 8 Repeats
785 The number 8 Repeats
916 The number 1 Repeats
013 The number 1 Repeats
219 The number 1 Repeats
757 No Repeat
880 No Repeat
456 No Repeat
768 The number 8 Repeats
289 The number 8 repeats
457 The Number 4 Repeats
424 The number 4 Repeats
761 The numbers 1, 6 Repeat
061 The numbers 0, 1 Repeat
140 The number 1 repeats
775 No Repeat
906 The numbers 0,9 Repeat
091 The numbers 0, 9 Repeat
102 The number 1 Repeats
813 The number 3 Repeats
539 The number 5 repeats
548 The number 5 repeats
329 The number 3 repeats
623 The number 3 repeats
195 The number 1 Repeats
241 The number 1 Repeats
707 No Repeat
646 No Repeat
728 The number 2 Repeats
220 The number 2 Repeats
145 No Repeat
So with your posting you just helped prove my point further. So now I am not sure whether you were lying or just simply didn't understand the tip. I would prefer you say you didn't understand because anyone clearly seeing these posts can see who is telling the truth.
Everyone I highlighted in RED either, you MISSED, didnt UNDERSTAND, or just thought we were plain STUPID. Clearly, anyone with eyes can see a REPEAT occurs AT LEAST 80% of the time.
All the writing in the boxes are mine, so you can see, I didn't cheat. I put in the ones that hat NO REPEATS at all and anyone with eyes can clearly see its 80%. Sorry Jack, you need to let this one go. You are making yourself look more and more bad by the minute.
But I appreciate you giving me the floor each time to prove the lotteries aren't as random as one would think.
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The red highlighted show repeats where there was not a repeat in what I listed. That is obvious. So, the real problem is that you must be using a different data base. I maintain my own databases and I do them Midday to Midday and Evening to Evening. I think you don't and that explains the difference.
I call it an honest mistake on my part. I am sorry for the confusion and that you jumped to the quick conclusion that I had some agenda and was lying. I wasn't.
I will try to see how I can use the 80% or more repeats to my advantage. Thank you for pointing it out.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack-C on Mar 24, 2009
The red highlighted show repeats where there was not a repeat in what I listed. That is obvious. So, the real problem is that you must be using a different data base. I maintain my own databases and I do them Midday to Midday and Evening to Evening. I think you don't and that explains the difference.
I call it an honest mistake on my part. I am sorry for the confusion and that you jumped to the quick conclusion that I had some agenda and was lying. I wasn't.
I will try to see how I can use the 80% or more repeats to my advantage. Thank you for pointing it out.
Yes Jack! I apologize for calling you a liar. I realized as I was doing the highlights that apparently it was just either an error in the way I explained it or how you were reading it. Either way, Im glad it's over, and yes you are right. I study every single drawing from Midday to Evening.
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Quote: Originally posted by DeeSpence on Mar 24, 2009
Yes Jack! I apologize for calling you a liar. I realized as I was doing the highlights that apparently it was just either an error in the way I explained it or how you were reading it. Either way, Im glad it's over, and yes you are right. I study every single drawing from Midday to Evening.
Thank you. I'm also glad that is all over and straightened out.
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not random. programmed. especially 2 draws a day states. isn't it funny how you'll be looking for something to pop in the day when it always comes out in the evening or vice versa. sure they might use different machines for the draws, but donuts to dollars they are linked somehow.
why does pair 80 keep coming up in virginia evening, but hasn't shown in almost 180 days in the midday draw?? right, it's all random.
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Quote: Originally posted by tungsten chef on Mar 24, 2009
not random. programmed. especially 2 draws a day states. isn't it funny how you'll be looking for something to pop in the day when it always comes out in the evening or vice versa. sure they might use different machines for the draws, but donuts to dollars they are linked somehow.
why does pair 80 keep coming up in virginia evening, but hasn't shown in almost 180 days in the midday draw?? right, it's all random.
I see 508 midday on 09/29/2008 that's roughly 150 days ago, with 45 possible pairs that's really only about 3 misses, not a huge amount.
Some state you can call or contact the lottery to find out how daily number draws are conducted. You can also check here . . .
IMHO if the midday and evening draws are conducted the same way, you follow them that way. If the midday draw is computer and the evening a balldrop you follow midday to midday, evening to evening.
With ball drop one hope is they won't bother changing out the machines for every draw or will change them from P3 to P4 or vice versa as a block.
The fact that ball drop P3 repeats a digit 80% of the time isn't big news around here. It makes an excellent filter to eliminate some picks from play.