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Would you use vtrac search engine, and would you be will to become a platinum member to use it?

OMG I've been waiting forever for it!!! [ 5 ]  [8.47%]
It would help me pick numbers faster and easier [ 14 ]  [23.73%]
It would be useful to suppliment my workout [ 6 ]  [10.17%]
I would like it, but I don't need it. [ 2 ]  [3.39%]
I've got software programs that already do the job [ 6 ]  [10.17%]
It would be nice, but a platinum member to use it? [ 3 ]  [5.08%]
What the heck is a vtrac?? [ 15 ]  [25.42%]
I only play quick picks and can't be bothered! [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Vtracs? We don't need to stinkin' vtracs!! [ 5 ]  [8.47%]
Other [ 3 ]  [5.08%]
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Hello there Delta Draw. WOW!, to read your comments...quite interesting. I am a states & dates person for the most part, what happened last month or a few months ago on or around the same time can happen again. I set up the Vtracs in ascending order, & I do not use the different combinations of the Vtracs. Here is an example below of the single Vtracs & in some cases I have shown how close to the current date at that time the hits appeared. You have a Platinum Membership you can click on the Vtrac & see the history for Washington.

Calabs, I hope that you do not mind me posting in this manner within your thread.

WA V123: 012 017 062 067 512 517 562 567

WA V124: 013 018 063 068 513 518 563 568

 In Washington, this Vtrac 124 in combination skipped the entire month of December in 2009. However it returned in Jan. around the same date as it did in Nov. That is what I mean by on or around the current date.

I had to manually enter the #s to find out that the Vtrac 124 didnot appear in Dec.

I believe Calabs is speaking of being able to enter the name of the Vtrac in this case V124, & other Vtracs, using "124" or any combination of "124" & have this info presented without having to enter the contents of the entire Vtrac.

  • Game(s): Washington Daily
  • Match Type(s): straight and boxed
  • Date range: Past 90 Days (Oct 31, 2009 - present)
  • 3 drawings matched the search criteria specified
 Draw Date  State  Game  Results 
Tue, Jan 26, 2010WashingtonDaily0-8-1
Wed, Jan 6, 2010WashingtonDaily8-5-6
Tue, Nov 24, 2009WashingtonDaily3-1-5

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WA V125: 014 019 064 069 514 519 564 569

WA V134: 023 028 073 078 523 528 573 578

WA V135: 024 029 074 079 524 529 574 579

  • Game(s): Washington Daily
  • Match Type(s): straight and boxed
  • Date range: Past 90 Days (Oct 31, 2009 - present)
  • 4 drawings matched the search criteria specified
 Draw Date  State  Game  Results 
Mon, Jan 4, 2010WashingtonDaily4-2-5
Thu, Dec 17, 2009WashingtonDaily9-5-7
Sun, Dec 6, 2009WashingtonDaily9-5-2
Wed, Nov 25, 2009WashingtonDaily7-9-5

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WA V145: 034 039 084 089 534 539 584 589

WA V234: 123 128 173 178 623 628 673 678

 

  • Game(s): Washington Daily
  • Match Type(s): straight and boxed
  • Date range: Past 90 Days (Oct 31, 2009 - present)
  • 6 drawings matched the search criteria specified
 Draw Date  State  Game  Results 
Sun, Jan 17, 2010WashingtonDaily1-3-7
Sat, Dec 19, 2009WashingtonDaily1-7-8
Thu, Nov 26, 2009WashingtonDaily3-6-2
Wed, Nov 18, 2009WashingtonDaily6-7-3
Wed, Nov 11, 2009WashingtonDaily1-2-8
Sat, Nov 7, 2009WashingtonDaily1-7-8

__________

WA V235: 124 129 174 179 624 629 674 679

 

  • Game(s): Washington Daily
  • Match Type(s): straight and boxed
  • Date range: Past 90 Days (Oct 31, 2009 - present)
  • 4 drawings matched the search criteria specified
 Draw Date  State  Game  Results 
Wed, Jan 13, 2010WashingtonDaily4-2-6
Mon, Dec 28, 2009WashingtonDaily1-4-2
Fri, Dec 4, 2009WashingtonDaily2-4-1
Tue, Nov 3, 2009WashingtonDaily7-6-9

__________

WA V245: 134 139 184 189 634 639 684 689

Some Vtracs appear more than others. 

  • Game(s): Washington Daily
  • Match Type(s): straight and boxed
  • Date range: Past 90 Days (Oct 31, 2009 - present)
  • 9 drawings matched the search criteria specified
 Draw Date  State  Game  Results 
Wed, Jan 27, 2010WashingtonDaily8-1-4
Mon, Jan 25, 2010WashingtonDaily1-9-3
Sat, Jan 16, 2010WashingtonDaily4-3-1
Tue, Jan 5, 2010WashingtonDaily8-6-9
Tue, Dec 15, 2009WashingtonDaily1-9-8
Sun, Dec 13, 2009WashingtonDaily8-1-4
Fri, Nov 27, 2009WashingtonDaily6-4-3
Sun, Nov 22, 2009WashingtonDaily4-6-8
Wed, Nov 4, 2009WashingtonDaily6-4-8

_________

WA V345: 234 239 284 289 734 739 784 789

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Delta Draw, this is yet another way in which to use Vtracs for the hit.

From above, V235 in combination:

Mon, Dec 28, 2009 Washington Daily 1-4-2

Delta Draw here we go, V235 in combination on or around the current date something from the Vtrac appeared.

Sat, Jan 30, 2010 Washington Daily Game 7-1-9


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    Thank you Lavern!

    So what you see is a month to month repeat of vtracs on or about the same date. In this case v235. Of course for those following along, there are eight combinations that a vtrac number makes in three number sets to play. There are only 35 vtrac combinations (simplified from all 125 combination) that make up the 1000 draw combinations. Some Vtracs repeat in a month as many times as 5x, and some never hit.

    How often or what is the average of this month to month event in hits? Do you have any stats to share from what you know now ?

    Why doesn’t Calabs post how he uses it? I think convincing platinum members now for such a tool would precede any future platinum member interest. The how needs to be exploited now. I do not agree that each one should have to figure out for themselves how they will use a tool and it's many applications. Calabs should be at the front of the pack by example. I would not subscribe to such a feature to have someone else give me sets to play. I would want to know how to do it myself.

    If this feature becomes a new ad-in for Platinum members and the cost of membership goes up, it better be well explained and documented to convince me I should buy it. I have been off-site and have found much more vtrac information than is shared here. Digging through all the threads is not something many will do to graduate with a hard-knocks degree.

    Can someone explain why that is?

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      Thank you Lavern!

      So what you see is a month to month repeat of vtracs on or about the same date. In this case v235. Of course for those following along, there are eight combinations that a vtrac number makes in three number sets to play. There are only 35 vtrac combinations (simplified from all 125 combination) that make up the 1000 draw combinations. Some Vtracs repeat in a month as many times as 5x, and some never hit.

      How often or what is the average of this month to month event in hits? Do you have any stats to share from what you know now ?

      Why doesn’t Calabs post how he uses it? I think convincing platinum members now for such a tool would precede any future platinum member interest. The how needs to be exploited now. I do not agree that each one should have to figure out for themselves how they will use a tool and it's many applications. Calabs should be at the front of the pack by example. I would not subscribe to such a feature to have someone else give me sets to play. I would want to know how to do it myself.

      If this feature becomes a new ad-in for Platinum members and the cost of membership goes up, it better be well explained and documented to convince me I should buy it. I have been off-site and have found much more vtrac information than is shared here. Digging through all the threads is not something many will do to graduate with a hard-knocks degree.

      Can someone explain why that is?

      You are welcome Delta Draw. Sometimes it can go back two months, this may occur when the Vtrac has not appeared for the month in any combination. I do not concern myself with the different combinations of the Vtrac. I use them in ascending order only, I have found it to be far less complicated. 

      I do not have any stats to share with you. I do not keep track of "stats" in this manner for it is an absolute hinderance. Analyzing in a broad sense is not always good, for one may miss the opportunity to truly capitalize. & yes I am indeed passionate about this sort of thing.

      Examine the months prior & compare from month to month & compare back two to three months depending on your state. Learn the way of your state, the pattern, the trend, etc. One very very important matter is that you must be willing to look at the #s in this manner. I've shown you how to use the Vtracs in this respect so that you can do it yourself. 


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        This has been a topic of discussion over the past couple of years (at least).  For those who use vtracs as part of your workout, you can understand the value of this tool.  So it time to poll this thing to get a general concensus of how everyone feels about it, and what they'd be willing to pay (or not) to get it.

        Thanks for your support!!!! 

        "Would you use vtrac search engine, and would you be will(ing) to become a platinum member to use it?"

        No!

        The catch 22 is knowing about any such workout you yourself do not wish to share. Digging for clues in past posts is not something attractive to becoming a platinum member alone. Any prospective platinum member would have to see how this tool is applied by example. If current Platinum members cannot get the information now as an attractor for such a tool, it will be a hard sell if membership cost goes up for this new tool. The new wheels are fantastic and a welcome feature that takes little time to learn how to apply. I am not too sure of how I would use all the filters or why, but there must be a good reason. "Would I be willing to pay for such a feature to get it", when I cannot get you to explain outside of a catch 22 box?

        NO WAY!

        This polled feature has to be user friendly with much information on how it would be applied. Lavern’s example is acceptable. It appears that a history is wanted to track frequency based on dates with some kind of repeatability implied.

        The Smelt are running and glaciers are calving somewhere. It happened last year too.

        Yes!

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          "Would you use vtrac search engine, and would you be will(ing) to become a platinum member to use it?"

          No!

          The catch 22 is knowing about any such workout you yourself do not wish to share. Digging for clues in past posts is not something attractive to becoming a platinum member alone. Any prospective platinum member would have to see how this tool is applied by example. If current Platinum members cannot get the information now as an attractor for such a tool, it will be a hard sell if membership cost goes up for this new tool. The new wheels are fantastic and a welcome feature that takes little time to learn how to apply. I am not too sure of how I would use all the filters or why, but there must be a good reason. "Would I be willing to pay for such a feature to get it", when I cannot get you to explain outside of a catch 22 box?

          NO WAY!

          This polled feature has to be user friendly with much information on how it would be applied. Lavern’s example is acceptable. It appears that a history is wanted to track frequency based on dates with some kind of repeatability implied.

          The Smelt are running and glaciers are calving somewhere. It happened last year too.

          Yes!

          Hi DD, I've tried not to make this poll a "pitch" to get a vtrac search engine here on Lottery Post. I've been here long enough to know, and I've been in on the conversations about this feature, that Todd at one point was working on it.  I have not heard anything since my 7 month hiatus (now just recently returning) :)  Not being a computer programmer, I'm not sure what can actually be done in the way of features available to a savvy programmer such as Todd.  Like Laverne, I choose a lot of my numbers by tracking over long periods of time.  Because I have no other software to work with vtracs, it is soley a manual process for me, examining the vtrac lottery results, and essentially "counting cards".  So what I would like to see in the way of a search engine is to do the same type of search a platinum member can do now, only using vtracs instead of actual numbers.  So if I wanted to know how long vtracs v2345 was out in PA, I can do so as easily as plugging in the state, the vtrac of interest and let the search criteria to the rest.  The whole beauty of the vtrac "system" is in the bundling of numbers into strings.  such a search engine can easily tell me when the last time v5532 (for example) showed str8 in New Jersey.  I would think that an engine like this would be just as easy to use as the numbers search engine here.  Like I said I am not a computer programmer so I have no clue as to what features CAN be added to such an engine.  I would love to hear from Todd on this topic. 

          With regards to becoming a platinum (or perhaps Gold) member to use it, there are other search features on LP that already require you to be a paid member to access these, so to the already-paid members (such as yourself), it would be included in your subscription price.  I'm thinking that this new tool won't convince folks to move to a paid subscription if they don't already have a working knowedge of the vtrac system. 

          I can remember when I became a platinum member (the first time lol).  A member (Tntea) highly recommended I go that route because of the search features I would have access to.  She never had to give me a big dissertation on how each feature worked for me to be sold on it. I was very new to the lottery then and very eager to learn as much as I could, and by having full access to the wonderful features here on LP was a great way to get a running start.

          So Delta Draw, if there was a vtrac search engine, how would you use it to your advantage?

          Lep

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            "Would you use vtrac search engine, and would you be will(ing) to become a platinum member to use it?"

            No!

            The catch 22 is knowing about any such workout you yourself do not wish to share. Digging for clues in past posts is not something attractive to becoming a platinum member alone. Any prospective platinum member would have to see how this tool is applied by example. If current Platinum members cannot get the information now as an attractor for such a tool, it will be a hard sell if membership cost goes up for this new tool. The new wheels are fantastic and a welcome feature that takes little time to learn how to apply. I am not too sure of how I would use all the filters or why, but there must be a good reason. "Would I be willing to pay for such a feature to get it", when I cannot get you to explain outside of a catch 22 box?

            NO WAY!

            This polled feature has to be user friendly with much information on how it would be applied. Lavern’s example is acceptable. It appears that a history is wanted to track frequency based on dates with some kind of repeatability implied.

            The Smelt are running and glaciers are calving somewhere. It happened last year too.

            Yes!

            Confused

            Good grief Delta Draw....no one asked you if you wanted warts.


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              Good grief Delta Draw....no one asked you if you wanted warts.

              Not too sure how to answer this. If this is not a pitch, then it is clearly a poll of yes or no. No is not exactly represented in the poll .

              I do not think it is a question of how I would use such a search engine.  The exact features of the search engine is really another topic. Maybe you are right and the how something is used is up to the user. But the user has to have a working knowledge of the foundations of a tool and it’s application. People buy that stuff, not a pig-in-a-poke. The basic premise of such an ‘engine’ is to do a study of past results. Not being in the loop of what Todd is or is not doing on this topic really makes me wonder if this is as universal a desire for practical application as it’s billed polled. There would have to be numerous examples where many Vtrac enthusiasts are for want of such an ‘engine’. I just do not find much in searches where this ‘engine’ is the missing link. The exact features would be kind of axiomatic ‘duhs’ just like the whole idea of having the ‘engine’ and not something to guess at. Perhaps your time with Vtracs (with solid conclusions of repeatable trends and examples) would build the desire for those you poll (are might be willing to pay for it).

              This is just backwards. Products are made to fit a need. Simple fascination of number sets is an endless galaxy of ‘what ifs’. Tools presented here are not haphazard curiosities, but are highly functional. What is missing in this vtrac quest is the functionality of HOW any user can use this tool in a foundational way that produces results and not more questions. I would have to see how this tool is used to use it for myself. Why would I use it? Good question. I don’t have a clue. It would have to be functional to the point of producing repeatable results that others just go nuts over. Winning results. It has to be a valued added feature. Time tested. Magic dates are not repeatable with the exception of being total coincidences. Might as well use tide tables. What conclusion can be expected from any user? All users?

              You know how to build spreadsheets. Why not build one that does what you want and save Todd the trouble? Then when you share it, nobody has to pay for it. It gets built and it’s free. A win-win. It will work exactly the way you want it to with all the features you want.

              I was asked ‘if’ and I said no. Until I can understand why it has real virtues and not just tangential vague ‘maybes’, I think you should lead the way by offering something Todd might incorporate into the LP resources at a later date. Help him help you. Another win-win. Along the way I and others will follow along to learn more to do the same for ourselves by example.

              All will want the 'engine' when they understand why. Then it will be a selling point for Platinum membership.

              DD

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                Yes I agree those posts are hard to follow.

                 Lots of extra conversation imbedded that can add to confusion.

                It was frustrating to go through them.

                The Vtac for Dummies thread had over 3,200 hits since December 13. There definitely is an interest, but little participation. The thread is getting bumped into obscurity. It did get 5 stars tho,….I almost bumped it back up today. I’ll have to lern some new posting tricks so I can post some new stuff and pictures. First things first.

                DD

                Vtracs: Another way to Group Combinations:

                v1=0 (LE), 5 (HO)
                v2=1 (LO), 6 (HE)
                v3=2 (LE), 7 (HO)
                v4=3 (LO), 8 (HE)
                v5=4 (LE), 9 (HO)

                Key: L=Low H=High E=Even O=Odd

                v124: 013 (ALMO), 018 (MLME), 063 (MLME), 068 (MHAE), 513 (MLAO), 518 (MHMO), 563 (MHMO), 568 (AHME)

                Key: AL=All Low, ML=Mostly Low, MH=Mostly High, AH=All High, AE=All Even ME=Mostly Even, MO=Mostly Odd, AO=All Odd

                A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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                  This has been a topic of discussion over the past couple of years (at least).  For those who use vtracs as part of your workout, you can understand the value of this tool.  So it time to poll this thing to get a general concensus of how everyone feels about it, and what they'd be willing to pay (or not) to get it.

                  Thanks for your support!!!! 

                  The results of the poll are very interesting.  As expected with most/all polls, there are various responses.  It's clear based on the results who voted in favor of the search engine (help me pick #s easier and fast, and useful to suppliment my workout).  There are still many who don't even know what a vtrac is (highest vote count).  For those who don't know what a vtrac is, I would recommend learning this system.  Once you do, then you can decide whether this is worth your while.  Personally, it took me some time to fully understand the "power of the vtrac". LOL  I'd be interested in learning more about the software programs that offer the same capability as a vtrac search, as I described (searching all states for any given vtrac over long periods of time (years).

                  Keep those cards and letters coming folks.  Big Smile 

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                    The results of the poll are very interesting.  As expected with most/all polls, there are various responses.  It's clear based on the results who voted in favor of the search engine (help me pick #s easier and fast, and useful to suppliment my workout).  There are still many who don't even know what a vtrac is (highest vote count).  For those who don't know what a vtrac is, I would recommend learning this system.  Once you do, then you can decide whether this is worth your while.  Personally, it took me some time to fully understand the "power of the vtrac". LOL  I'd be interested in learning more about the software programs that offer the same capability as a vtrac search, as I described (searching all states for any given vtrac over long periods of time (years).

                    Keep those cards and letters coming folks.  Big Smile 

                    Very well. You listed that this month is good for a particular vtrac to hit somewhere on a Midday draw. Now you are listing the evening draws for proof that your suggestion is even better than anticipated. Let’s take a closer look at the possibility of that happening. There are 24 states with midday draws. There are 28 days in the month. So we multiply the number of states with midday draws times the days in the month. Then we divide that by the number of boxed vtracs which is 35. How likely is your prediction going to hit somewhere in a midday draw in this month? If there are no repeating hits of the same Vtrac the answer is 68.9%, or 1:5 chance per day. Let’s say that 5 % of the vtracs repeat in the month which would lessen the chance and increase the odds. Let’s knock off three days because you posted three days into the month.

                    24 states midday x 25 days=600

                    (600/35=17.1) 600x .95=570

                    570/35=16.3

                    That is 16 times one Vtrac could hit in the rest of the month in all the remaining games in 24 states with Midday draws. Is that really a significant thing?

                    Now if we include the evening draws for the month, here are the figures. There are 39 states with evening draws.

                    39 states evening x 25 days=975. 975 x .95= 926.

                    570 midday + 926 Evening= 1496 Vtracs

                    1496/ 35= 42.7( 1: .023)

                    So we see with a 5% repeat, 42.7 times ONE Vtrac could hit this month in both Midday and evening draws among all states and draws in the remaining days from your prediction.

                    So you see, it is very likely that a prediction of this kind will occur. In fact the chances of it not happening are very poor. When we honestly look at the facts this is not really any more impressive than to say there will be a 4.0 or greater earthquake somewhere in the world tomorrow, or for that matter each day the rest of the month. What would be impressive is to say exactly where and when.

                    Vtrac 134 will likely hit somewhere the 8Th of February. There are only 8 combinations to play. A one dollar boxed bet can return $80.00 in most places. That is a 10:1 payout. Notice this parlor trick does not say where or when. The boxed sets are: 024,029,047,079,245,259,457,579

                    To stay true to the thread, I do not think your predictions need a big history to say any one vtrac is good for the month.

                    People want to get results based on their state and for the next draw. I do not see how what you want would help them.

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                      Very well. You listed that this month is good for a particular vtrac to hit somewhere on a Midday draw. Now you are listing the evening draws for proof that your suggestion is even better than anticipated. Let’s take a closer look at the possibility of that happening. There are 24 states with midday draws. There are 28 days in the month. So we multiply the number of states with midday draws times the days in the month. Then we divide that by the number of boxed vtracs which is 35. How likely is your prediction going to hit somewhere in a midday draw in this month? If there are no repeating hits of the same Vtrac the answer is 68.9%, or 1:5 chance per day. Let’s say that 5 % of the vtracs repeat in the month which would lessen the chance and increase the odds. Let’s knock off three days because you posted three days into the month.

                      24 states midday x 25 days=600

                      (600/35=17.1) 600x .95=570

                      570/35=16.3

                      That is 16 times one Vtrac could hit in the rest of the month in all the remaining games in 24 states with Midday draws. Is that really a significant thing?

                      Now if we include the evening draws for the month, here are the figures. There are 39 states with evening draws.

                      39 states evening x 25 days=975. 975 x .95= 926.

                      570 midday + 926 Evening= 1496 Vtracs

                      1496/ 35= 42.7( 1: .023)

                      So we see with a 5% repeat, 42.7 times ONE Vtrac could hit this month in both Midday and evening draws among all states and draws in the remaining days from your prediction.

                      So you see, it is very likely that a prediction of this kind will occur. In fact the chances of it not happening are very poor. When we honestly look at the facts this is not really any more impressive than to say there will be a 4.0 or greater earthquake somewhere in the world tomorrow, or for that matter each day the rest of the month. What would be impressive is to say exactly where and when.

                      Vtrac 134 will likely hit somewhere the 8Th of February. There are only 8 combinations to play. A one dollar boxed bet can return $80.00 in most places. That is a 10:1 payout. Notice this parlor trick does not say where or when. The boxed sets are: 024,029,047,079,245,259,457,579

                      To stay true to the thread, I do not think your predictions need a big history to say any one vtrac is good for the month.

                      People want to get results based on their state and for the next draw. I do not see how what you want would help them.

                      Thank you for the detailed analysis DD.  I'm going to assume that the math you put forth is correct, because I have not the time or patience to confirm or deny.  I'm not sure if I've pissed you off or if my threads offend you in any way, but I am growing tired of you playing devil's advocate on EVERYTHING I post.  The fact of the matter is, there are LOTS of folks that have hit off my numbers.  Does it matter how the data were gathered?  Ask the folks that hit str8s off of them. And just for the record, I have also posted MANY state specific numbers based on vtracs, so yes, everything I do is not done with smoke and mirrors!  It is evident that regardless of what I say, you will rebut it, and I'm not sure why you have chosen to challenge me in a thread that was supposed to merely be a poll. And I'm not quite sure why you would even do an analysis of one of my posts and post it here (you don't have to answer that).  Take a look at the poll results.  I've tried to summarize them in my previous post.  The results are a good guage of how people feel about the search engine.   

                      Now that all being said, I've gone completely out of character on this post, and I choose not to anymore.

                       

                      P.S. you mentioned v134 then posted the vtrac v135 string. 

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                        Thank you for the detailed analysis DD.  I'm going to assume that the math you put forth is correct, because I have not the time or patience to confirm or deny.  I'm not sure if I've pissed you off or if my threads offend you in any way, but I am growing tired of you playing devil's advocate on EVERYTHING I post.  The fact of the matter is, there are LOTS of folks that have hit off my numbers.  Does it matter how the data were gathered?  Ask the folks that hit str8s off of them. And just for the record, I have also posted MANY state specific numbers based on vtracs, so yes, everything I do is not done with smoke and mirrors!  It is evident that regardless of what I say, you will rebut it, and I'm not sure why you have chosen to challenge me in a thread that was supposed to merely be a poll. And I'm not quite sure why you would even do an analysis of one of my posts and post it here (you don't have to answer that).  Take a look at the poll results.  I've tried to summarize them in my previous post.  The results are a good guage of how people feel about the search engine.   

                        Now that all being said, I've gone completely out of character on this post, and I choose not to anymore.

                         

                        P.S. you mentioned v134 then posted the vtrac v135 string. 

                        I am not playing devils advocate. I asked you as others have asked before :the ‘How’. You ignore the request of mine as you have of others in the past. Sorry you are tired of the same request. How can anyone support such a tool if it’s application is a big secret? I disagreed on your survey based on the facts that you could not explain WHY,…. why people other than yourself would benefit from this Tool they would be willing to pay for. Only two people posted ideas but there is no common thread among three people except a want for history. If you really want to help people teach them HOW to fish. I am not pissed off, I just disagree. There was no ‘yes/no’ on your poll. Since there was not a clear NO, I made one. I don’t care if you crack crabs with Todd, if he wants to know what will market his product better or wants expand his offerings, he is well capable to evaluate. Your market driven poll for something YOU want fell on it’s nose. Nobody is willing to pay more for your helps in predictions. They want to win at home, not hit in some other state.

                        If you do not or will not contribute to the knowledge base of HOW members can benefit from this hidden wisdom, don’t expect a whole lot of support. Teach HOW each one can be successful with your wisdom. Be detailed and specific. If you want to impress people with parlor tricks, only fools will follow.

                        And I don’t see anywhere that I have to agree with someone wanting a personal tool here at LP for more statistical biased parlor tricks and recognition. It matters not to me how long you have been a member. One would think a search could provide clues to your HOW. It does not. Anybody looking at my figures would see the point of how ridiculous it is to say one particular Vtrac will hit somewhere this month.

                        Help Todd help you. That is very friendly advice. Not exactly a ‘Devil’s Advocate’ when it is clearly a win-win. Twisting facts and numbers is as old as the first bad bible-fact poll. “Who was the first carpenter?”

                        The whole point is,… that it is a statistical JOKE!

                        Now I will give you an example : say for the next 25 days vtrac 134 is suggested. At a boxed play (8 combos) for $1.00 this would cost a player $200.00. IF the Vtrac hit 3 times they would be up $40.00 IF it hit 4 times in their state they would win $120.00. Any one vtrac hitting 3 times a month (at home)is very unlikely, so most players would LOSE. People want to know what vtrac to play each day, not for weeks on-end.

                        Any idea how many followers of yours have lost on your advice? Look at the predictions page to see the trends. Most plays lose. Most predictions are weekly.

                        I may be your Devil’s Adversary , but I sure ain’t your huckleberry. The bee is on you bud.

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                          Posted: February 6, 2010, 6:27 pm - IP Logged

                          I am not playing devils advocate. I asked you as others have asked before :the ‘How’. You ignore the request of mine as you have of others in the past. Sorry you are tired of the same request. How can anyone support such a tool if it’s application is a big secret? I disagreed on your survey based on the facts that you could not explain WHY,…. why people other than yourself would benefit from this Tool they would be willing to pay for. Only two people posted ideas but there is no common thread among three people except a want for history. If you really want to help people teach them HOW to fish. I am not pissed off, I just disagree. There was no ‘yes/no’ on your poll. Since there was not a clear NO, I made one. I don’t care if you crack crabs with Todd, if he wants to know what will market his product better or wants expand his offerings, he is well capable to evaluate. Your market driven poll for something YOU want fell on it’s nose. Nobody is willing to pay more for your helps in predictions. They want to win at home, not hit in some other state.

                          If you do not or will not contribute to the knowledge base of HOW members can benefit from this hidden wisdom, don’t expect a whole lot of support. Teach HOW each one can be successful with your wisdom. Be detailed and specific. If you want to impress people with parlor tricks, only fools will follow.

                          And I don’t see anywhere that I have to agree with someone wanting a personal tool here at LP for more statistical biased parlor tricks and recognition. It matters not to me how long you have been a member. One would think a search could provide clues to your HOW. It does not. Anybody looking at my figures would see the point of how ridiculous it is to say one particular Vtrac will hit somewhere this month.

                          Help Todd help you. That is very friendly advice. Not exactly a ‘Devil’s Advocate’ when it is clearly a win-win. Twisting facts and numbers is as old as the first bad bible-fact poll. “Who was the first carpenter?”

                          The whole point is,… that it is a statistical JOKE!

                          Now I will give you an example : say for the next 25 days vtrac 134 is suggested. At a boxed play (8 combos) for $1.00 this would cost a player $200.00. IF the Vtrac hit 3 times they would be up $40.00 IF it hit 4 times in their state they would win $120.00. Any one vtrac hitting 3 times a month (at home)is very unlikely, so most players would LOSE. People want to know what vtrac to play each day, not for weeks on-end.

                          Any idea how many followers of yours have lost on your advice? Look at the predictions page to see the trends. Most plays lose. Most predictions are weekly.

                          I may be your Devil’s Adversary , but I sure ain’t your huckleberry. The bee is on you bud.

                          I Totally Agree. In fact, I have a Illinois spreadsheet with the v-tracs built in for every number from 2000 to recent. It does not serve me a great purpose but I like to play around with it from time to time. I can say that this method works a whole lot better with the pick 4 because you will have double vtracs frequently which is a plus. Unless Calabs is willing to show us something that we don't know, the tool is limited to ones knowledge. I agree with you about Laverne, at least she gave us an example. In fact, I agree with everything, call me the yes man, if I give out 10 numbers for all states I'm sure I will get at least 4 to 5 hits a day but I dont play in all states so again the only person who will benefit is Calabs and people out of the country. I have nothing against Calabs but I am sure he has not even gave Todd the "magic secret" to using v-tracs. Pound for Pound the best two predictors on this site from my point of view is Lottery Braker and Lucky.

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                            Posted: February 6, 2010, 8:20 pm - IP Logged

                            I am not playing devils advocate. I asked you as others have asked before :the ‘How’. You ignore the request of mine as you have of others in the past. Sorry you are tired of the same request. How can anyone support such a tool if it’s application is a big secret? I disagreed on your survey based on the facts that you could not explain WHY,…. why people other than yourself would benefit from this Tool they would be willing to pay for. Only two people posted ideas but there is no common thread among three people except a want for history. If you really want to help people teach them HOW to fish. I am not pissed off, I just disagree. There was no ‘yes/no’ on your poll. Since there was not a clear NO, I made one. I don’t care if you crack crabs with Todd, if he wants to know what will market his product better or wants expand his offerings, he is well capable to evaluate. Your market driven poll for something YOU want fell on it’s nose. Nobody is willing to pay more for your helps in predictions. They want to win at home, not hit in some other state.

                            If you do not or will not contribute to the knowledge base of HOW members can benefit from this hidden wisdom, don’t expect a whole lot of support. Teach HOW each one can be successful with your wisdom. Be detailed and specific. If you want to impress people with parlor tricks, only fools will follow.

                            And I don’t see anywhere that I have to agree with someone wanting a personal tool here at LP for more statistical biased parlor tricks and recognition. It matters not to me how long you have been a member. One would think a search could provide clues to your HOW. It does not. Anybody looking at my figures would see the point of how ridiculous it is to say one particular Vtrac will hit somewhere this month.

                            Help Todd help you. That is very friendly advice. Not exactly a ‘Devil’s Advocate’ when it is clearly a win-win. Twisting facts and numbers is as old as the first bad bible-fact poll. “Who was the first carpenter?”

                            The whole point is,… that it is a statistical JOKE!

                            Now I will give you an example : say for the next 25 days vtrac 134 is suggested. At a boxed play (8 combos) for $1.00 this would cost a player $200.00. IF the Vtrac hit 3 times they would be up $40.00 IF it hit 4 times in their state they would win $120.00. Any one vtrac hitting 3 times a month (at home)is very unlikely, so most players would LOSE. People want to know what vtrac to play each day, not for weeks on-end.

                            Any idea how many followers of yours have lost on your advice? Look at the predictions page to see the trends. Most plays lose. Most predictions are weekly.

                            I may be your Devil’s Adversary , but I sure ain’t your huckleberry. The bee is on you bud.

                            Oh but I HAVE.  Go back and look at my post on Feb 3 at 11:12pm.  It states how I use use vtracs and how I track them so there is no secret as to how I use them. No magic, just tracking trends and what's due.  This can be done all states or state specific.  You keep saying that this is a tool that I (and that's with a capital I) want.  Like it is some crusade I have or something.  This was a poll to see who was interested in such an engine.  So please do not refer to this engine as some kind of "Calabs' pet project".  It is not.

                            Now you have insulted me and my intellegence.  I shouldn't have to, nor will I put up with that.  I am here to have fun and enjoy good people's company.  I am doing neither right now.  I am done.

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                              Oh but I HAVE.  Go back and look at my post on Feb 3 at 11:12pm.  It states how I use use vtracs and how I track them so there is no secret as to how I use them. No magic, just tracking trends and what's due.  This can be done all states or state specific.  You keep saying that this is a tool that I (and that's with a capital I) want.  Like it is some crusade I have or something.  This was a poll to see who was interested in such an engine.  So please do not refer to this engine as some kind of "Calabs' pet project".  It is not.

                              Now you have insulted me and my intellegence.  I shouldn't have to, nor will I put up with that.  I am here to have fun and enjoy good people's company.  I am doing neither right now.  I am done.

                              January 27, 10:09 PM I requested to know HOW from you. Still waiting.

                              No I was not insulting you or your intelligence. Don’t get upset. See Ya!

                              If I was insulting anybody’s intelligence, it would be those that don’t know the facts that chasing one Vtrac for the month is a ridiculous waste of money. Disapprove I did not make the saying about a fool and their money. I see in your post you use for defense that you would look something up, but unlike the other two examples given, the information of what you do with the results is the mystery.

                              We are all here to have fun, but more importantly members and lurkers want to WIN. I want to WIN. I want to know HOW to win. If this tool is just for fun, that is not a good reason. If the best you can do with a history is point to one Vtrac for 25 days, I would say I will say, You Have to be joking. Post your example of HOW you use the results and HOW it would be an asset to the collective membership. Just because you are upset is no reason to brush off the request. BTW, I would question your integrity before I would question your intelligence. You seem quite bright.

                              The poll leads with those who still do not know what a Vtrac is. Don’t you want to help them? This is the key statistic from your poll. This is the time and place to really make an impact on WHY the desired search engine fills a need. Do you want to build a desire for such a feature? Would that be fun?Approve

                              Vtrac 134 is still on for Monday.

                              There have been three earthquakes greater than 5.0 for the day. None in the 4.0-5.0 range, yet. My bad.