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Are we fooled to believe that there's a system?

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Posted: February 11, 2010, 10:11 pm - IP Logged

That's a problem if a system have to predict 1 PB jackpot before it's classified as a good system.  A system could be destined to win a jackpot in a year but abandoned early because it didn't show a profit soon enough.  The way payouts are designed for jackpot games, matching half the winning numbers pays $2-$10 so a system that constantly beats 1/50-1/350 odds with 10-20 lines is a loser.

System players have to come up with their own parameters to define a good system and stick with them until they've had a fair chance to win.  Even winning a jackpot once in a life time is pretty good if you have some life left in you.Wink

One percent wasn't a minimum, just pointing out that a winning system need not carry a high hit ratio (at least for jackpot games). The OP didn't say which game he had in mind, so I went with one that would require the fewest number of times of matching all the numbers to have the highest amount of WOO-HOO!. Since many people play for years without showing a profit, I figured once per year is better than most are doing.

You didn't say anything about the airline's ratio, though. Wink

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     Nope, I am not being paranoid.

     This is what I read from Maxim magazine years ago. It claimed that the system indeed exists. But, lottery guys don't just sit there and watch their system gets broken into. They constantly work on the 'system' to prevent anyone from having unfair advantage.

     Personally, I don't buy it. Maxim and FHM (now defunct) make up a lot of crap. Truth is, it's a matter of statistics. When someone really discovers the system, all the authority has to do is to up the matrix. And take a look at Italian lottery. The odd is whole lot more astronomical with more numbers in their matrix. But winners come up regularly despite the impossible odds.

     I can visualize the image that lottery guys laughing at the poor guys who's researching for the 'system' and don't have a life. But if we look at the winning numbers, it looks like there's some kind of pattern. Truth is, we are pattern-seeking animals and we tend to see patterns in things that are actually random.

     Like I said before, playing lottery is about dreams. It's kind of a drop of acid. As long as you are not obsessing with it, it's a harmless form of tripping. But doing stuff like obsessing with the system or number dreams (sadly, I still can't let go of my number dreams!) it will make your life a living hell.

    The only guaranteed "system"  is to play every possible combination. The bills for the Revolutionary War was paid for with a lottery. If, there was a system, someone would have found it by now and there'd be no lotteries.  

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      The only guaranteed "system"  is to play every possible combination. The bills for the Revolutionary War was paid for with a lottery. If, there was a system, someone would have found it by now and there'd be no lotteries.  

      Great post..Luck is the only system..

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        The only guaranteed "system"  is to play every possible combination. The bills for the Revolutionary War was paid for with a lottery. If, there was a system, someone would have found it by now and there'd be no lotteries.  

        IMHO lotteries of the past were in fact raffles.   Numbered slips were sold.  Only recently (roughly the last 50 years depending on where we're talking) have we been able to select our own numbers to play.

        We make our own luck, the harder we work at something the luckier we get.

        BobP

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          Posted: February 12, 2010, 11:52 pm - IP Logged

          And as the games have been around longer, more and more changes have been made to decrease the effectiveness of older systems.

          • The lower-tier prizes have been made very small
          • Matrices have been enlarged (some p5 games went from 5 of 30 to 5 of 39, the first 5 in PB went from 5 in 45 to currently 5 in 59)
          • Rules about how much time you can spend at the terminal have been put in

          These are not the lottery games of yesteryear.

          While the spokespeople for the games will tell you there can be no "system" the people who run the games act differently, as shown above. When a bunch of people scattered over the country win big prizes at once, playing the same number, they launch an investigation to find out why.

          The shills are out front saying there's no system while the guys in the back are doing everything they can to keep it that way.

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            time*treat,

            Well the rule about tying up terminals was because of the team play by the Aussies (I think it was) that zonked the Virginia lottery.

            But how many ways did they split it and how much did each get?

            As megamillionaire said, lotteries paid for the Revolutionary War. Going back further than that Keno in its original form built the Great Wall of China.

            In any form of gambling management is very concerned, in fact paranois about the integrity of the game but for the most part that's because gambling buy its own nature invites greed and coullusion.

            As for a system, those who run the games, be it casino games, or race tracks, sports books, bingo, or lotteries will tell you there is one, and only one system, and that is to book the action. Let the betting public pick their own losers, let the losers pay the winners the rlative peanuts that the winners get paid for getting lucky (or choosing the right side of the bet as they'd tell you), and keep the rest.

            Anything else should have to start with "Once upon a time....", or in other words, is a fairy tale.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              @CT: Yeah, that's best. Not just be the house, but also have the laws prohibiting any competition with the house.

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                LUCK isn't the only system because it's not a system,no one can hit on a regular basis with luck and no one has too the best of my knowledge, a REAL system would enable you too hit on a regular basis not necessarily everyday but say once or twice a week.The reason quick-picks hit is because of the odds if the odds of hitting a Pick-5 jackpot are 1 in 380,000 and the majority of the states population is playing that game then your gonna have a winner possiblly more than one because 380,000 tickets or more were purchased so the winning combo is out there somewhere.The luck part kicks in as far as who is holding that winning ticket.I challenged my mother by playing the cash 3 and pick-4 games using software and a number selection strategy while she bought quick picks in any game she wanted.We started this past summer and she won a total of  $35 hitting 3 numbers in the Pick-6 ($7) and 2 numbers plus the mega ball in our Mega Money game here in FL for ($27). I hit the cash 3 straight for $250 twice and the play 4 boxed for $200 the first 2 happen in July then in Sep and the last was this past month we both spent around $5-$10 whenever we decided too play which wasn't everyday.


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                  I mentioned I would post a system in the event of discovering a new system. What I present here is the product of my initial research.I will not answer any questions at this time. Also, If you want to apply this system to a lottery that uses an extra ball (ie, MegaMillions, PowerBall), that is an exercise left to the reader. This system/algorithm will increase your chances of winning.

                  Here is the “system” in a nutshell:

                  1. Acquire the past winning numbers in the form ofa csv file. (They are random, right?)
                  2. Load the data into a source list of drawingswhere the order of the list can be shuffled.The numbers of each daily drawing must be preserved and sorted from low to high for simplicity. (I used an array<set<int>> in C++)
                  3. To shuffle the list, each set in the original list must appear at a random index in the play list.
                  4. Pick a random current index to start that is less than max number of play list entries. Clear the number list. The current pick is now-1.
                  5. From the set of numbers in the play list indexed by the current index, select the next number that is greater than your current pick and add it to the number list. Increment current index + 1 mod play list size.
                  6. If your current pick is the max number you can select before acquiring all numbers, go to number 3.
                  7. If you loop through the entire list without selecting your next number, go to 3.
                  8. If your number list is too small, go to 5.
                  9. Add this list to your list of number lists(array<array<set<int> > >).
                  10. If your list of number lists is too small, go to3.
                  11. Done
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                    I mentioned I would post a system in the event of discovering a new system. What I present here is the product of my initial research.I will not answer any questions at this time. Also, If you want to apply this system to a lottery that uses an extra ball (ie, MegaMillions, PowerBall), that is an exercise left to the reader. This system/algorithm will increase your chances of winning.

                    Here is the “system” in a nutshell:

                    1. Acquire the past winning numbers in the form ofa csv file. (They are random, right?)
                    2. Load the data into a source list of drawingswhere the order of the list can be shuffled.The numbers of each daily drawing must be preserved and sorted from low to high for simplicity. (I used an array<set<int>> in C++)
                    3. To shuffle the list, each set in the original list must appear at a random index in the play list.
                    4. Pick a random current index to start that is less than max number of play list entries. Clear the number list. The current pick is now-1.
                    5. From the set of numbers in the play list indexed by the current index, select the next number that is greater than your current pick and add it to the number list. Increment current index + 1 mod play list size.
                    6. If your current pick is the max number you can select before acquiring all numbers, go to number 3.
                    7. If you loop through the entire list without selecting your next number, go to 3.
                    8. If your number list is too small, go to 5.
                    9. Add this list to your list of number lists(array<array<set<int> > >).
                    10. If your list of number lists is too small, go to3.
                    11. Done

                    You got anything a backwoods hillbilly could understand boss?

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                      Hmmm...  The method I described requires as few as one but potentially millions of iterations, but let me take a shot at simplification.  I can describe a method with reduced odds, but much better than a quick pick.  So, if I were to do this without programming, I would:

                      • Print out the list of lottery numbers drawn from a lottery of your choice.
                      • Randomly pick a draw as the first.
                      • Pick the first number from that draw using the first number.
                      • Roll dice.
                      • Count down that many to the next draw.
                      • Pick your second number from this draw using the second number.
                      • Repeat

                      There are some subtle differences between this system and the complete system, but this will yield reasonable results.

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                        From rsa2048's post above:

                        "Roll dice."

                        See rdgrnr, it's all luck, even when it's disguised as a system.

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                          From rsa2048's post above:

                          "Roll dice."

                          See rdgrnr, it's all luck, even when it's disguised as a system.

                          rdgrnr asked for a system without computers and algorithms, so I gave him a version of the system without them with the caveat that the computer would probably do a better job at picking the numbers.  Now, a simplification for you, Coin Toss, would be "an educated guess."  It's like multiple choice when you were in school.  If you can eliminate a few answers, it greatly increases the odds of a successfully guess (or luck as you call it).  Furthermore, if you know that your teacher has a tendency to put the wrong answers first, you can increase your odds of success even more.  And if you know where your teacher keeps the answers, then you have it made!  So there is a difference between a blind guess, an educated guess, and knowing the answers before you start?

                          But, since you coded up my psuedocode into a program and lost all of your life savings, I am certain that is why you believe that my system doesn't work :)  What I described will increase your chances of success.  You don't have to spend a dime to see the results.

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                            LUCK isn't the only system because it's not a system,no one can hit on a regular basis with luck and no one has too the best of my knowledge, a REAL system would enable you too hit on a regular basis not necessarily everyday but say once or twice a week.The reason quick-picks hit is because of the odds if the odds of hitting a Pick-5 jackpot are 1 in 380,000 and the majority of the states population is playing that game then your gonna have a winner possiblly more than one because 380,000 tickets or more were purchased so the winning combo is out there somewhere.The luck part kicks in as far as who is holding that winning ticket.I challenged my mother by playing the cash 3 and pick-4 games using software and a number selection strategy while she bought quick picks in any game she wanted.We started this past summer and she won a total of  $35 hitting 3 numbers in the Pick-6 ($7) and 2 numbers plus the mega ball in our Mega Money game here in FL for ($27). I hit the cash 3 straight for $250 twice and the play 4 boxed for $200 the first 2 happen in July then in Sep and the last was this past month we both spent around $5-$10 whenever we decided too play which wasn't everyday.

                            Someone with a system for a jackpot game only needs it to work once. It doesn't need to hit on a regular basis.

                            Gonna win.Big Smile

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                              MADDOG10 and Coin Toss you guys are my heroes..I've been preaching this a long time..LUCK is the only answer..

                              I agree, it's just the LUCK OF THE DRAW and no matter how many lottery systems are out there, you have to be at the right place, at the right time to buy the winning ticket, either a QP or your own chosen numbers; also positive thinking wouldn't hurt as well.Hurray!