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I'm going to take a guess that Jimmy is a lover of all that is evil................jimmy4164's avatar - che guevara.jpg


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    You would think these intellectual types would appreciate the fact that we have a forum where we can experiment with our creative minds in TRYING to do something that the world tells us CANT BE DONE. 

    Really Jimmy, isn't this what the liberal arts are all about? 

    How did you end up on the side of "the man"

    When did you become an Anti-revolutionary?


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      "If you really want to empress us with your math skills, why not help the cause?"

       

      I don't care to impress, nor do I care to take an a fruitless endevour.  It's not a goal that is any more likely through work or a random methodology.

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        Exactly, These guys dont seem to have any initiative of their own. It reminds my when boney told me to go sit in a corner and flip a coin 5000 times tracking the results, so I could report back to him my findings. 2 lines.

        I have an idea!

        How about we take the last 5000 drawings of Mega Millions and make a report?

        Same with the last 5000 drawings of PB.

        And dont distract me with trivial details, like there are not 5000 drawings.


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          I'm going to take a guess that Jimmy is a lover of all that is evil................jimmy4164's avatar - che guevara.jpg

          I'm going to take a guess that Jimmy is a lover of all that is evil................Troll

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            What do you feel you are being distracted from?

            During the hours I'm gone from here, I see nothing but drivel in this thread.  Without Boney526 and myself pointing out the flaws in your logic, it would consist of no more than you repeatedly telling us there are less combinations of 28 things taken 5 at a time than 56 things taken 5 at a time and Ronnie326 posting one liners and an occasional list of 28 intuitively selected numbers.

            What's your point?

            --Jimmy4164

            "Without Boney526 and myself pointing out the flaws in your logic"

            We're talking about the possibilities of reducing the MM playing field and still keep the one chance to win and you say our logic is flaw by showing us the mythical results of 50,000 mythical pick-3 players. Where was our flaw when you proved some of your mythical players benefited from the same standard deviation that exist in random drawings that we were looking for?

            "During the hours I'm gone from here, I see nothing but drivel in this thread."

            Speaking of flawed logic, how can you see anything here when you're "gone from here"?

            "What do you feel you are being distracted from?"

            I said you were a distraction because you made conscious efforts to make it look like we said things we never said. Ronnie never guaranteed a "big win", but proved it was possible and you decided to make it look like he was guaranteeing a "big win". Just the fact you're asking what it is you're distracting us from, proves your intent of posting on this topic is to be a distraction.

            "What's your point?"

            We're creating conditions base on possibilities and you're arguing against the conditions you created by saying we made them.

            "For example, if Stack47 were to translate his ideas involving 19,000 sets of 28 numbers to the scaled down  (5,2) world here of 5 sets of 4 numbers, we might be able to see more clearly just what he is hypothesizing."

            It's a statistical fact, at the most only 44.6% of the 56 numbers can be drawn in five consecutive drawings and you're asking me to compare that to your mythical game where 40% of all the numbers are drawn in each drawing. If you believe there is any comparison, you show it because I see none.

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              Exactly, These guys dont seem to have any initiative of their own. It reminds my when boney told me to go sit in a corner and flip a coin 5000 times tracking the results, so I could report back to him my findings. 2 lines.

              When did I say that?  I'm pretty much 100% sure I never did.

               

              If anything I compared your challenge to a coinflip.  I never said that you should do that.  That would be stupid.  Just like everything else you fabricate.

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                I'm going to take a guess that Jimmy is a lover of all that is evil................jimmy4164's avatar - che guevara.jpg

                I must point out that I do agree with you in sentiment here, Che Guevara was a murderer and certainly not a good guy.

                 

                But then again, this isn't a politcal thread.  I'd have to be really ignorant to disagree with Jimmy about statistics and math because he likes a Communist.  That's a completely different topic, one which I'd likely disagree with him over just as strongly as I disagree with you guys over this lottery stuff.

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                  "Without Boney526 and myself pointing out the flaws in your logic"

                  We're talking about the possibilities of reducing the MM playing field and still keep the one chance to win and you say our logic is flaw by showing us the mythical results of 50,000 mythical pick-3 players. Where was our flaw when you proved some of your mythical players benefited from the same standard deviation that exist in random drawings that we were looking for?

                  "During the hours I'm gone from here, I see nothing but drivel in this thread."

                  Speaking of flawed logic, how can you see anything here when you're "gone from here"?

                  "What do you feel you are being distracted from?"

                  I said you were a distraction because you made conscious efforts to make it look like we said things we never said. Ronnie never guaranteed a "big win", but proved it was possible and you decided to make it look like he was guaranteeing a "big win". Just the fact you're asking what it is you're distracting us from, proves your intent of posting on this topic is to be a distraction.

                  "What's your point?"

                  We're creating conditions base on possibilities and you're arguing against the conditions you created by saying we made them.

                  "For example, if Stack47 were to translate his ideas involving 19,000 sets of 28 numbers to the scaled down  (5,2) world here of 5 sets of 4 numbers, we might be able to see more clearly just what he is hypothesizing."

                  It's a statistical fact, at the most only 44.6% of the 56 numbers can be drawn in five consecutive drawings and you're asking me to compare that to your mythical game where 40% of all the numbers are drawn in each drawing. If you believe there is any comparison, you show it because I see none.

                  "Where was our flaw when you proved some of your mythical players benefited from the same standard deviation that exist in random drawings that we were looking for?"

                   

                  Your flaw, specifically Ronnies, was in using words like undeniable in referencing better odds.

                   

                  I don't feel I need to respond to that second part.  Obviously Jimmy can READ what happened when he was away from his computer at a later time.  I feel like calling you a dumby for even suggesting that.

                   

                  So Jimmy is a distraction because..... he doesn't agree with you?  First of all.... Ronnie has continuously made assertions that his claims are undeniable and factual......  in essence if he didn't say that he was guaranteed a big win, he implies that he is better at it.  He showed that (and no sane person ever disagreed with this part, dispite the words he puts in MY mouth) it is possible to win.  Well, whatever, it's possible for ANY player to win.  If it wasn't, why would anyone play?

                   

                  I guess it's distracting to you not be patted on the back and told that everything you do is productive, and will work.  That's not logical.  If you were in math class in 2nd grade learning multiplication tables, and you said 5 times 5 was 30, I guess the teacher distracted you by showing you that it was actually 25, bro.

                   

                  And Jimmy's 5/2 IS comparable to any other game.  The actual numbers aren't the same and nobody would play it, but if your theory about reducing IS correct, it should hold up regardless of the actual numbers drawn.  That's the nature of reality.  1+1=2, 1+2=3 and following that logic, 2+2=4.  That logic doesn't change as the numbers do.

                   

                  If your theories had ANY credibility they would hold up on games regardless of the amount of numbers in a lottery pool.  It's simply easier to see if you are right or wrong with a smaller field of numbers.  ANY serious researcher, worker or layperson using math to solve a problem knows that.  For a more realistic example, I was once trying to work out the math for a roulette side bet I was inventing out of boredom, and b/c I was suprised it hadn't been thought of yet.  I wanted to see if my math was sound, and I KNEW FOR A FACT the odds of a certain event.  So I used my formula, and inputed the numbers and viola, the odds I knew to be true showed up.  Therefore, I could extrapolate the odds of different bets with different probabilities using the same logic (in this case, the same equation where the only the variables change.)

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                    Jimmy reminds me of medbrat, he wants to show up here and judge peoples conversation as "drivel"

                    I wonder if that makes him feel superior to other people?

                    What makes you think that?

                     

                    You've clearly said that your claims are indesputable, that they are factual, and felt no need to use the scientific method in proving your claim.  What makes you think you're the one person who can say anything and the world should accept it as fact?

                     

                    That seems like a huge superiority complex.  The fact that you put words in my mouth and then refute an imaginary argument I made.  What makes you think YOU can tell people what they said, YOU don't have to think scientifically to prove a claim, that YOU are better at picking for a random event than randomness, that YOU are superior to other people at these aspects of life.

                     

                    The fact that YOU put a negative connotation on me being "greedy" yet your signature said you like greedy people.  The fact that YOU are hypocritical, tell people that they "did good work" when you don't understand it, and then when we explain that it's an attempt to disprove certain things to you you say that you were joking, your brain doesn't work like that, or something along those lines.

                     

                    You don't have a clue, Ronnie.  You are ignorant, you put words in people's mouth, and YOU think you are better at things than other people even when you have no basis to those claims.

                     

                    What makes YOU think your superior, Ronnie?  I certainly don't.  I mean, I think I'm better at Math than you, and that I understand statistics better, and hell, I even think that I have a clearer view of reality my "opinions" (lol, I'm talking about facts most of the time on this forum) do hold more merit, because they've been proven mathemetically.  But clearly, you don't think that you need to use accepted knowledge to make "true" claims, so that shows that you at least subconciously, think that you are a better person than other people.

                     

                    Anyway, come at me, lol.

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                      You would think these intellectual types would appreciate the fact that we have a forum where we can experiment with our creative minds in TRYING to do something that the world tells us CANT BE DONE. 

                      Really Jimmy, isn't this what the liberal arts are all about? 

                      How did you end up on the side of "the man"

                      When did you become an Anti-revolutionary?

                      That's all good and fine, but you are seriously misguided in how you could even get a clear picture of whether you actually did something measureable or not.......

                       

                       

                      And that means that even if you were right, your word would hold no merit.  And you'd believe you did it, even if you didn't have any statistically sound reason to believe so.

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                        "If you really want to empress us with your math skills, why not help the cause?"

                         

                        I don't care to impress, nor do I care to take an a fruitless endevour.  It's not a goal that is any more likely through work or a random methodology.

                        "I don't care to impress"

                        You must be impressing Jimmy because he believes you're pointing out flaws in logic.

                        "nor do I care to take an a fruitless endevour."

                        From your point of view, there are probably many fruitless endeavours being discussed every day on LP and you can point out your perceived flaws in anyone of them, but you seem be very fascinated with this one. Would it help when you point out your perceived flaws on this topic if we replied with "noted" and then continue with out discussion?

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                          In a nutshell, the topic that this thread started with is the same topic of most people who are trying to do better at any lottery game.  Play combinations with better odds.

                           

                          However, because that is not possible, I have put forth that argument here.  Although I do also suppose you guys are right about one thing....

                           

                          There is no need for long conversation.  My argument is simple - every combination of numbers has the same odds on any given night.  Therefore, the thesis that some combinations have better odds is null.  If you don't accept that, we can get in to the statistics which are necessary to prove that.  We have tried, but then you guys ignore it because the actual lottery drawings don't come close to statistically provable sample sizes.  (The only real way to prove anything about these games is through computer simulations.  I am 100% confident any simulation that you do will match up with the expected results.)

                           

                          Since that is the case, you can either accept that you should have some physical reason to believe there is bias, or you can just make any claim you want.  The point is, that given no evidence to the contrary, it is only logical to believe that there is no bias in lottery drawings, and that every combination has the stated odds every night.  Therefore, no combination has better odds than any other conversation.

                           

                          Here's the sad thing.  You don't consider it discussion on your endouvour unless the comment it something like "great job" or "you could be on to something."  But if anyone says "the reason that doesn't work is X,Y and Z" then it's a distraction, not discussion.

                           

                          EG: The fact that only 25 numbers max can be drawn in 5 draws (just counting white balls) is true.  However, that does not allow somebody to more effectively pick out which numbers to play.  Any numbers are just as likely to make up the next draw as any other numbers.  So I'm saying that's a useless piece of knowledge to have.  It won't hurt or help any lottery player to know.

                           

                          Is that not discussion on the topic at hand?


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                            Wow boney, you sure went on a tear on this page. lol. lol  I actually think its funny that you take all this so darn serious and go on such tears..... lol. lol.


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                              The funny thing is, Im not asking people to believe anything. Just because I have an opinion about how to get BEETER ODDS does not mean Im right or even that it matters if I'm right or wrong.

                              To me it is just an opinion that's is still open for discussion. In fact your the one boney who has already made up his mind and is so absolutely certain that everyone should accept and believe as you believe.

                                 
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