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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Posted: February 11, 2013, 1:18 pm - IP Logged

"By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge."

My definition of beating the odds is different than yours. When someone makes a conditional bet, they aren't beating the odds, but when they win the bet, they beat the odds.

The only edge that counts in the long run is did you win or did you lose. When I hit that 7-Spot playing Keno, the house had a 30% edge so when I won over $8000, I didn't gain an edge. Are lottery players trying to gain an edge or are they trying become instant millionaires?

"And because nothing can increase your odds of winning, it's inherent in the math that you can't "beat" the game (lotto games, that is.)"

Gambling isn't about beating a game, the odds, or the house edge; it's about risk/reward. There is a discussion asking if players will play their state lotto games now that both the MM and PB jackpots are at their minimum. In some states their lotto jackpots are higher than MM and the odds against winning those jackpots are considerably lower. But again it's not asking if it's easier to beat the game with lower odds, but does the reward outweigh the risk by playing that game.

"If you are counting cards succesfully, then you are playing at an advantage."

The player acting before the card counter has the same advantage and had he used basic hitting strategy, he would win the hand. He not only lost his advantage by taking a hit, he cause the counter to lose too. That hand is in the same past tense as a MM or PB winner saying they beat the odds.

You would understand WHY gambling is all about the odds, or the edge, if you were beating a game.

 

The lotto isn't that game.  But when you have the edge, it absolutely becomes about how much that edge is.  It's also about managing risk - but it's not about trying to beat the odds, it's about trying to be the guy who the odds favor.  In other words -  I don't rely on luck.  And as much as you talk about that one day that you hit a 7 spot keno ticket, by that logic you should always play Keno forever.  But that's bad logic, because you'll go broke.

 

Obviously lotto players are trying to get instantly rich without gaining an edge - but all of this talk of better odds is about trying to get better odds - an impossible feat.  I don't feel I should respond again, even if you respond to this, because we're just talking circles.  You can use the term "beat the odds" in a figurative sense but in a much more real sense, you cannot "beat the odds" by definintion, since the odds contain the possibilities of a win.


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    You would understand WHY gambling is all about the odds, or the edge, if you were beating a game.

     

    The lotto isn't that game.  But when you have the edge, it absolutely becomes about how much that edge is.  It's also about managing risk - but it's not about trying to beat the odds, it's about trying to be the guy who the odds favor.  In other words -  I don't rely on luck.  And as much as you talk about that one day that you hit a 7 spot keno ticket, by that logic you should always play Keno forever.  But that's bad logic, because you'll go broke.

     

    Obviously lotto players are trying to get instantly rich without gaining an edge - but all of this talk of better odds is about trying to get better odds - an impossible feat.  I don't feel I should respond again, even if you respond to this, because we're just talking circles.  You can use the term "beat the odds" in a figurative sense but in a much more real sense, you cannot "beat the odds" by definintion, since the odds contain the possibilities of a win.

    The only person talking in circles is you boney......

    We understand that we are talking about a concept. It is NOT something that you can calculate on a piece of paper with a pencil. We are NOT talking about changing the actually odds of the game itself. I think LottoBoner said it best with the phrase "expecting something to happen" I like to like of it as "manufacturing a win" much like the Yankee's when they decide do things in a creative and different way in order to "manufacture a run" that otherwise would have NEVER taken place.

    You keep trying to interpret "beating the odds" as "changing the odds" and thats not really the concept here.


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      Posted: February 11, 2013, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

      Ronnie316,

      Your comments a page ago were not explanations, merely observations, and clearly, no "System" was defined.

      Please explain.

      --Jimmy4164

      What I'm doing would be "merely observations" if I was posting in hindsight. Posting pre-draw makes it a prediction and an expectation of "something that is about to happen"


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        Posted: February 11, 2013, 5:35 pm - IP Logged

        Set of 20 for MM. Tue. Feb. 12, 2013.

        Using previous 3 draws as elimination numbers.

        02 03 04 07 08 11 12 16 17 18 19 21 23 24 25 27 29 31 34 38 42 46 47 48 49 54 55 56

        bonus ball 08


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          Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:10 pm - IP Logged

          Interesting that the last 4 draws had zero repeats. (Merely an observation)

          Friday, February 08, 2013            06 · 15 · 20 · 39 · 50    054$12 Million
          Tuesday, February 05, 201302 · 05 · 10 · 26 · 44    464$19 Million
          Friday, February 01, 201301 · 30 · 32 · 40 · 41    173$13 Million
          Tuesday, January 29, 201308 · 12 · 27 · 46 · 47    063$12 Million
          Friday, January 25, 201311 · 12 · 17 · 31 · 48    014$89 Million
          Tuesday, January 22, 201307 · 11 · 16 · 39 · 54    13

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            Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

            Interesting that the last 4 draws had zero repeats. (Merely an observation)

            Friday, February 08, 2013            06 · 15 · 20 · 39 · 50    054$12 Million
            Tuesday, February 05, 201302 · 05 · 10 · 26 · 44    464$19 Million
            Friday, February 01, 201301 · 30 · 32 · 40 · 41    173$13 Million
            Tuesday, January 29, 201308 · 12 · 27 · 46 · 47    063$12 Million
            Friday, January 25, 201311 · 12 · 17 · 31 · 48    014$89 Million
            Tuesday, January 22, 201307 · 11 · 16 · 39 · 54    13

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              Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:20 pm - IP Logged

              I feel like my best chance for a 5 of 5 match on a live ticket is to anticipate the 5 winning numbers being in the last 18 drawn numbers. I think it has only happened once. I would need to eliminate some numbers and play a wheel. Perhaps a 4 if 4 of 10 wheel.


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                Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

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                  Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:23 pm - IP Logged

                  Set of 18 for MM. Tue. Feb. 12, 2013.

                  01 02 05 06 08 10 12 15 20 26 27 30 32 39 40 41 44 50

                  bonus ball 08

                   

                  Friday, February 08, 2013          06 · 15 · 20 · 39 · 50    054$12 Million
                  Tuesday, February 05, 201302 · 05 · 10 · 26 · 44    464$19 Million
                  Friday, February 01, 201301 · 30 · 32 · 40 · 41    173$13 Million
                  Tuesday, January 29, 201308 · 12 · 27 · 46 · 47    063$12 Million
                  Friday, January 25, 201311 · 12 · 17 · 31 · 48    01


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                    Posted: February 11, 2013, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

                    Wheel:  Pick 5 Abbreviated 4 if 4 of 10

                    Tickets:  52

                    Description:  Minimum 4-number match, if 4 numbers drawn fall within your set of 10 numbers.

                    Input:  1, 5, 20, 26, 27, 30, 32, 39, 40, 41

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                      Posted: February 11, 2013, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

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                        Posted: February 11, 2013, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

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                          Posted: February 11, 2013, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

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                            Posted: February 11, 2013, 7:13 pm - IP Logged

                            Me odds no so much BETTER, as me supposed. No Nod

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                              Posted: February 11, 2013, 7:15 pm - IP Logged

                              Me odds no so much BETTER, as me supposed. No Nod

                                                                   

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