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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Probably because he doesn't like anyone applying odds conditionally or maybe because he wants to nit-pic the difference between saying 1 chance in 6 chances and 1 way to win and 5 ways to lose.

If you do all of the math related to conditional odds, you would realize that conditional odds end up being the exact same as normal odds.

But you guys do the math as if your conditions will be met 100% of the time.  That's why I say you aren't beating the odds, because if you finished your homework you'd find out that you aren't.

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I hit 3 of 5 with my red highlited set that contained 15 numbers or 3003 combinations.

04-06-08-32-36-38-39-40-41-44-46-47-50-51-56

Jimmy

You have my support Jimmy. I actually played a 15 number wheel on this draw, but no hits.

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If you do all of the math related to conditional odds, you would realize that conditional odds end up being the exact same as normal odds.

But you guys do the math as if your conditions will be met 100% of the time.  That's why I say you aren't beating the odds, because if you finished your homework you'd find out that you aren't.

How can boney say "you guys do the math as if", when we are not even doing any math.

There are several ways to get better odds on a given draw, one way is predictions that are accurate.

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It only takes one draw to win boney. "Get lucky" or "better odds" either way the objective is to win.

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How can boney say "you guys do the math as if", when we are not even doing any math.

There are several ways to get better odds on a given draw, one way is predictions that are accurate.

Very true Ronnie.  The "math" will not always give you the correct numbers.  One must account for chaos in their "formulas"

Other times you have to go on a hunch and just say "F*CK the Math".  After all math is not our master, only a guidepost.

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Very true Ronnie.  The "math" will not always give you the correct numbers.  One must account for chaos in their "formulas"

Other times you have to go on a hunch and just say "F*CK the Math".  After all math is not our master, only a guidepost.

Boney would enslave people with his math problems if he had his way.

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Boney insists that the lottery is not a game of skill, but then again boney has never tried to uses any of the built in skills that we all have. Such as perception, anticipation, prediction, intuition. Or what about the all seeing eye of the sixth sense, does boney have one of those, or has he had that surgically removed?

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Boney would enslave people with his math problems if he had his way.

Yes some people have the strange notion that this is N.A.S.A dot com and we are putting sattellites into geosychronous orbit.

"Houston we have a problem, the math on our quickpicks is faulty, and satellite meltdown is imminent"

We are only trying to make a dollar out of fifty cents.  Just like georgie peorgie, pudding and pie, he tried to do the math and it just made him cry.

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I get so tired of being bombarded with math questions and problems that have nothing to do with......

Some number combinations have BETTER ODDS

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 Posted: February 9, 2013, 5:19 pm - IP Logged

You could have won seven dollars using this LP wheel

 Abbrev 3 if 3 of 15 15 3 if 3 57 Highly balanced (Each number appears 19 times)

Yes, but I would have lost \$50 in winning that \$7.  There are better methods to form your combinations out of a set of numbers than using wheels.

Ronnie thinks half the numbers is what is needed to capture all 5.  My computer simulations show that 1/3 of the numbers can capture all 5 without that much of dropout from half.  Once you go below 1/3 your success rate goes down at a higher rate but 1/4 of the numbers is still doable.  So the optimal number set for MegaMillions in relation to cost to the player would be 19 but still doable with 14 with further refinement.

Maddogs challenge sets of 12 are well below the optimal number for the player so that is why I quit playing it.

The 1/3 number becomes more reasonable when your playing a 5/39 game which becomes 13 number sets.  Those 13 numbers sets actually become 11 number sets for me because I throw out 2 numbers from the sets based on positional algorithms.

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Yes, but I would have lost \$50 in winning that \$7.  There are better methods to form your combinations out of a set of numbers than using wheels.

Ronnie thinks half the numbers is what is needed to capture all 5.  My computer simulations show that 1/3 of the numbers can capture all 5 without that much of dropout from half.  Once you go below 1/3 your success rate goes down at a higher rate but 1/4 of the numbers is still doable.  So the optimal number set for MegaMillions in relation to cost to the player would be 19 but still doable with 14 with further refinement.

Maddogs challenge sets of 12 are well below the optimal number for the player so that is why I quit playing it.

The 1/3 number becomes more reasonable when your playing a 5/39 game which becomes 13 number sets.  Those 13 numbers sets actually become 11 number sets for me because I throw out 2 numbers from the sets based on positional algorithms.

Jimmy

I like the sound of 19 numbers, or even as few as 14 and I dont need to see the math in order to believe you. The main reason we ended up with 28 numbers is because it was easy to measure our ability to "beat the odds" as we only needed 39 draws to hit 5 of 5 once to match the lotteries stated "overall odds"

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The actual results were as follows...

(some refer to me as a lottery "god" but I just say "I had BETTER ODDS")

Ronnie316 – 5+0 june 15, 2012---- 5+0 July 17, 2012 ---5+1 Aug. 10, 2012   5+0 Aug. 21, 2012   5+0 Sept. 7, 2012

MC 5+0 Aug. 7, 2012   5+0 Aug. 21, 2012    5+0 Oct. 19, 2012

DeadAim    5+0 Aug. 7, 2012    5+0 Sept. 7, 2012     5+0 Oct. 2, 2012

Topnail – 5+0 june 26, 2012--- 5+0 July 24, 2012

RJ    4+1 Aug. 10, 2012    5+0 Oct. 19, 2012

 X1kosmic – 5+0 July 10, 2012 --  5+1 Sept. 18, 2012 Boney - goose egg
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Looks like you guys have done fairly well with the results.  What is the algorithm you use to select your 28 numbers and how do you know it matches the short-term periodic rate for the game?

For instance Brad Dukes thinks the last 6 (mongth) or 52 draws will immediately predict the future.  So I can only assume that he thinks the short-term peridocic rate to be something like 54 draws or 6 months and 1 week.  I arrive at 54 because he is hoping that his 52 draws that he is using to predict from is still valid for say the next 1 or 2 draws before it morphs into something else.

Do you have a short-term periodic rate you are operating from when selecting your 28 numbers?  If not then why not?  If you have a variable short-term periodic rate then I could see you getting variable results with your system.

Jimmy

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Boney insists that the lottery is not a game of skill, but then again boney has never tried to uses any of the built in skills that we all have. Such as perception, anticipation, prediction, intuition. Or what about the all seeing eye of the sixth sense, does boney have one of those, or has he had that surgically removed?

I'd like to point out that you've also said it's not a game of skill.

And you've also said that it is.

So it seems like you don't know what you're even saying.

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Looks like you guys have done fairly well with the results.  What is the algorithm you use to select your 28 numbers and how do you know it matches the short-term periodic rate for the game?

For instance Brad Dukes thinks the last 6 (mongth) or 52 draws will immediately predict the future.  So I can only assume that he thinks the short-term peridocic rate to be something like 54 draws or 6 months and 1 week.  I arrive at 54 because he is hoping that his 52 draws that he is using to predict from is still valid for say the next 1 or 2 draws before it morphs into something else.

Do you have a short-term periodic rate you are operating from when selecting your 28 numbers?  If not then why not?  If you have a variable short-term periodic rate then I could see you getting variable results with your system.

Jimmy

Those are all excellent questions. Much more so than anything boney has ever posted here....

I'm sorry to say I'm behind the curve on these things and only based my choices on raw instincts and gut feelings as the first was a selection of all even numbers and the second all odd numbers..... The next was the 5+1 hit (shown below) chosen from previously drawn numbers....

(I had played the same single bonus number for 18 draws)

 Friday, August 10, 2012 10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 08 4 \$29 Million Tuesday, August 07, 2012 30 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    + 07 4 \$21 Million Friday, August 03, 2012 02 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    + 02 3 \$13 Million Tuesday, July 31, 2012 05 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    + 37 3 \$12 Million Friday, July 27, 2012 02 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    + 26 3 \$52 Million Tuesday, July 24, 2012 05 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    + 05 4 \$45 Million Friday, July 20, 2012 02 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    + 03 3 \$37 Million Tuesday, July 17, 2012 01 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    + 17 4 \$28 Million Friday, July 13, 2012 06 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    + 34 2 \$21 Million Tuesday, July 10, 2012 03 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36     + 21 4 \$14 Million Friday, July 06, 2012 20 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    + 21 3 \$12 Million Tuesday, July 03, 2012 03 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    + 45 4 \$86 Million Friday, June 29, 2012 28 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    + 34 4 \$75 Million Tuesday, June 26, 2012 03 · 16 · 23 · 35 · 36    + 20

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