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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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I guess my thoughts for ronnie316 in relation to this thread are:

1) Forget conditional guaranteed wheels, been there done that.  They are just a means to lose more money.  Wheels are only as good as the numbers you put into them so spend more time on selecting the correct numbers.  If your having to use larger wheels to compensate for that fact that you cannot accurately reduce the number pool to a playable amount then your playing a losing proposition.

2) If you must use wheels then learn how to use Covermaster (its free) because it will save you money.  BobP introduced me to Covermaster.  Its more fun to play around with than the Powerball simulator.  I still don't recommend it as a strategy though.

3) You are on the right track in looking for grouping of numbers just the wrong strategy.  I don't see anyone here helping advance this premise.

Good luck on your quest though.

Jimmy

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I won't speak for BobP, but I believe his point was to show the overall effect by using all 48 numbers on 8 lines. It could be used as a betting strategy trying to win a jackpot, but it's a terrible strategy trying to get multiple secondary prize wins because two of the lines by default will never match a number.

Your point about it being a terrible strategy for winning a jackpot is well taken Stack, and it reminded me that the object of THIS thread from the beginning is TRYING to win a jackpot

The cry baby hijackers can cry and point fingers all they want, but the discussion and objective remain the same. Anytime they want to put 98.820 QPs to the test for 39 draws they are more than welcome.

"Your point about it being a terrible strategy for winning a jackpot is well taken Stack, and it reminded me that the object of THIS thread from the beginning is TRYING to win a jackpot."

I was thinking about the old "ROI"  we keep hearing about. But keeping with the objectives of these thread, I added "The choice now is between having odds of 1,533,939 to 1 in every drawing with 8 lines of QPs or odds of 324,626 to 1 in every 6.3 drawings with 6 lines using 36 numbers".

"Anytime they want to put 98.820 QPs to the test for 39 draws they are more than welcome."

I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

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"Your point about it being a terrible strategy for winning a jackpot is well taken Stack, and it reminded me that the object of THIS thread from the beginning is TRYING to win a jackpot."

I was thinking about the old "ROI"  we keep hearing about. But keeping with the objectives of these thread, I added "The choice now is between having odds of 1,533,939 to 1 in every drawing with 8 lines of QPs or odds of 324,626 to 1 in every 6.3 drawings with 6 lines using 36 numbers".

"Anytime they want to put 98.820 QPs to the test for 39 draws they are more than welcome."

I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

No doubt its an extremely simple RNG program if medbrat can do it on a home computer. (if he even did)

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I guess my thoughts for ronnie316 in relation to this thread are:

1) Forget conditional guaranteed wheels, been there done that.  They are just a means to lose more money.  Wheels are only as good as the numbers you put into them so spend more time on selecting the correct numbers.  If your having to use larger wheels to compensate for that fact that you cannot accurately reduce the number pool to a playable amount then your playing a losing proposition.

2) If you must use wheels then learn how to use Covermaster (its free) because it will save you money.  BobP introduced me to Covermaster.  Its more fun to play around with than the Powerball simulator.  I still don't recommend it as a strategy though.

3) You are on the right track in looking for grouping of numbers just the wrong strategy.  I don't see anyone here helping advance this premise.

Good luck on your quest though.

Jimmy

Thanks for the post Jimmy,

finding smaller "groupings" sounds good in theory but in practice I cant find a group smaller than 28 -39 that has any promise.  Stack has already demonstrated that a person with deep pockets and consistent hits can achieve "break even" play (using a group of 28 numbers) without hitting a jackpot.

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I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

There is a fresh pile of evidence that medbrat is nothing but a massive hypocrite, and a fraud.

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I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

Perhaps a rudimentory test would be to answer the question:

How many QP lines were sold ahead of this last PB jackpot win?

 Wednesday, February 06, 2013 05 · 27 · 36 · 38 · 41    + 12 \$208 Million
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I doubt that will ever happen because until someone proves they can duplicate the RNG used by the terminals, purchased QPs are the only type of QPs we should compare with.

Perhaps a rudimentory test would be to answer the question:

How many QP lines were sold ahead of this last PB jackpot win?

 Wednesday, February 06, 2013 05 · 27 · 36 · 38 · 41    + 12 \$208 Million

It's not about how many QPs were sold but the total of ticket sales for the \$208 million drawing, which was 35,771,794. That's only 20% of the possible combos, but somebody beat the huge odds.

We keep hearing we can't beat the odds yet some players are winning multi-millions. Must be one of those strange but true things.

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It's not about how many QPs were sold but the total of ticket sales for the \$208 million drawing, which was 35,771,794. That's only 20% of the possible combos, but somebody beat the huge odds.

We keep hearing we can't beat the odds yet some players are winning multi-millions. Must be one of those strange but true things.

This is one of your shorter posts, but also one of your better ones, that is, when measured against a scale of how well it contributes to the overall effort of keeping hope alive that the lottery can be beaten.  Do you look in mirrors?

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It's not about how many QPs were sold but the total of ticket sales for the \$208 million drawing, which was 35,771,794. That's only 20% of the possible combos, but somebody beat the huge odds.

We keep hearing we can't beat the odds yet some players are winning multi-millions. Must be one of those strange but true things.

Just because someone won doesn't mean they "beat the odds" it just means they won.

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Just because someone won doesn't mean they "beat the odds" it just means they won.

Why do you object to calling it "beating the odds"?

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It's not about how many QPs were sold but the total of ticket sales for the \$208 million drawing, which was 35,771,794. That's only 20% of the possible combos, but somebody beat the huge odds.

We keep hearing we can't beat the odds yet some players are winning multi-millions. Must be one of those strange but true things.

I agree with your point, but in general it does shed some light on the fact that the public (mostly QP) needed to play almost half the total combinations to match 5 of 5 seven times, and 5+1 once.

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So in the big picture the 5 of 5 hits very closely matched the "overall odds". While the 5+1 didn't fair so well considering it took 11 draws for someone to hit.

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Time to check out. Hope everyone has a good night.

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