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Posted: February 10, 2013, 3:41 pm - IP Logged

And you called mediabrat childish.

Yeah Ronnie you've got nothing to say about that.

 

Because you now realize that you are childish as hell.


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    Yeah Ronnie you've got nothing to say about that.

     

    Because you now realize that you are childish as hell.

    Yes boney, I'm on my knees this very minute lamenting over the realization of how childish I am.


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      Posted: February 10, 2013, 3:46 pm - IP Logged

      What?


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        It reminds me of the time people in Phoenix asked Mark McGwire to hit the Jumbo-tron. (if he was so great) (because its mounted so high, and so far back its impossible to hit) lol. lol. lol. He hit it not once, but TWICE that night and they had to replace the stupid thing.........Green laugh

        This shouldn't count because Mark Mcgwire was on steriods.

        While the three amigos are all on Prozac.


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          This shouldn't count because Mark Mcgwire was on steriods.

          While the three amigos are all on Prozac.

          Considering that 40 million people take a drug that scientists say "is no BETTER than a placebo".... 

          What is the probability theory that 3 of them would be posting right here on this thread?


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            What?


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              Have a good night everyone.Sleep

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                Yes boney, I'm on my knees this very minute lamenting over the realization of how childish I am.

                Well you made such a big deal about how childish Media's been so I figured you must think of yorself as pretty mature.

                 

                Than again, being consistent instead of insanely immature has never been very important to you, has it?

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                  I've been on LP for seven years and Ronnie was the first person explaining a system that actually produced a jackpot match. And it doesn't matter what Boney, Jimmy, or any of the the other critics say.

                  Eventually, somebody posting HALF of the number pool, was gonna get lucky.

                   

                  And that you're ignoring the fact that he's probably gonna be behind if he plays another, IDK, hundred or two hunded draws.  And before you go on to say how crazy that is, keep in mind that they hold about a hundred per year, and you are very likely to play a few hundred to thousand draws if you're a regular player.

                  And none of the critics are saying that the didn't produce a jackpot match (although he didn't win it, and there's no way he's actually playing all of those numbers anyway) but that it was just luck.

                   

                   

                  I do think I'm done here.  Since nobody gives any hints of even the smallest bits of sanity outside of a few who've also seemed to give up on this lost cause (using logic on this post) I think I should, too.

                   

                  Good luck using insanity as a way to win!


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                    Eventually, somebody posting HALF of the number pool, was gonna get lucky.

                     

                    And that you're ignoring the fact that he's probably gonna be behind if he plays another, IDK, hundred or two hunded draws.  And before you go on to say how crazy that is, keep in mind that they hold about a hundred per year, and you are very likely to play a few hundred to thousand draws if you're a regular player.

                    And none of the critics are saying that the didn't produce a jackpot match (although he didn't win it, and there's no way he's actually playing all of those numbers anyway) but that it was just luck.

                     

                     

                    I do think I'm done here.  Since nobody gives any hints of even the smallest bits of sanity outside of a few who've also seemed to give up on this lost cause (using logic on this post) I think I should, too.

                     

                    Good luck using insanity as a way to win!

                    Boney526,

                    I think I'm done here too.  It might have been worth pursuing if we had at least gotten an occasional post from a stranger indicating they had learned something from our efforts.  There are either no people reading here with the courage to oppose the loud mouths trying to discredit sound scientific reasoning, or they are all just a bunch of blithering idiots.

                    It's ironic how clueless people like Ronnie316 are when it comes to odds.  If he ever discovers that casino slot machines and roulette wheels return on average more than double what the lottery does, he'll probably sleep in his car and spend countless hours applying his brand of the Gambler's Fallacy to them.

                    http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/appendix/3a/

                    Good Luck!

                    --Jimmy4164

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                      I don't misunderstand that.  I've never said it's impossible to win, but that's it's impossible to beat.  That's because beat implies an advantage.  Otherwise you'r not beating the game, you'r hoping to get lucky in a losing game.

                       

                      If your beating it, you expect to win, and are hoping to not get unlucky.

                      "I've never said it's impossible to win, but that's it's impossible to beat."

                      Beat what?

                      Because if you're talking about odds, the odds are based on probability and if you understand (or don't misunderstand) the fact the theory proves there is a probability of doing something, what is impossible to beat?

                      "If your beating it, you expect to win,"

                      If beating something means to win something, winning is decided by the results and winning in most forms of gambling means beating whatever odds are against. While some MM and PB players on LP seem to expect to win a jackpot, the majority are just betting a buck or two to win millions.

                      "and are hoping to not get unlucky."

                      You're confusing the players with MUSL. The dollar players are hoping to get lucky and the MUSL are hoping not to be unlucky with PB and pay the dollar players $40 million in several consecutive drawings.

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                        "I've never said it's impossible to win, but that's it's impossible to beat."

                        Beat what?

                        Because if you're talking about odds, the odds are based on probability and if you understand (or don't misunderstand) the fact the theory proves there is a probability of doing something, what is impossible to beat?

                        "If your beating it, you expect to win,"

                        If beating something means to win something, winning is decided by the results and winning in most forms of gambling means beating whatever odds are against. While some MM and PB players on LP seem to expect to win a jackpot, the majority are just betting a buck or two to win millions.

                        "and are hoping to not get unlucky."

                        You're confusing the players with MUSL. The dollar players are hoping to get lucky and the MUSL are hoping not to be unlucky with PB and pay the dollar players $40 million in several consecutive drawings.

                        Stack, I'm going to respond to you because despite the fact that I think you're ignoring (or misunderstanding) my point - and you seem to disagree with everything I say even if they are obviously true, you've refrained from acting like a child, unlike some other people in here - and you at least respond directly to the points made.

                         

                        It's impossible to "beat" these games the same way you can beat blackjack by counting cards, or poker by playing solid against worse opponents.  By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge.

                         

                        I'm not confusing anything, you are misunderstanding my post.  You actually understood my point completely accurately, since you re-iterated that the MUSL is hoping to not get unlucky, while the players are trying to get lucky.  But you misunderstood the purpose behind me saying that if you have an edge you are hoping to not get unlucky.

                         

                        If you are counting cards succesfully, then you are playing at an advantage.  If you have an edge, you're hoping to not get unlucky, since your expectation is profit.  On the other hand, someone playing with a disadvantage is hoping to get lucky.  Since the lottery is played at a disadvantage, you can only win by getting lucky.  And since there is no skill involved (unlike blackjack, where skill is involved) nothing you can do will help your odds of winning.

                         

                        And because nothing can increase your odds of winning, it's inherent in the math that you can't "beat" the game (lotto games, that is.)  You can get lucky and win, but as we know, the odds of somebody doing that are astronomical unless they play huge amounts of combos.  And if they do that, they're even MORE likely to be behind than someone who plays rarely, since the person who plays rarely has a chance of hitting the big prize and staying ahead forever - where as someone who plays many numbers absoultely has to get that top prize (not even the second prize) to stay ahead.  Short of hitting that - they will be DOWN a huge amount of money.

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                          Stack, I'm going to respond to you because despite the fact that I think you're ignoring (or misunderstanding) my point - and you seem to disagree with everything I say even if they are obviously true, you've refrained from acting like a child, unlike some other people in here - and you at least respond directly to the points made.

                           

                          It's impossible to "beat" these games the same way you can beat blackjack by counting cards, or poker by playing solid against worse opponents.  By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge.

                           

                          I'm not confusing anything, you are misunderstanding my post.  You actually understood my point completely accurately, since you re-iterated that the MUSL is hoping to not get unlucky, while the players are trying to get lucky.  But you misunderstood the purpose behind me saying that if you have an edge you are hoping to not get unlucky.

                           

                          If you are counting cards succesfully, then you are playing at an advantage.  If you have an edge, you're hoping to not get unlucky, since your expectation is profit.  On the other hand, someone playing with a disadvantage is hoping to get lucky.  Since the lottery is played at a disadvantage, you can only win by getting lucky.  And since there is no skill involved (unlike blackjack, where skill is involved) nothing you can do will help your odds of winning.

                           

                          And because nothing can increase your odds of winning, it's inherent in the math that you can't "beat" the game (lotto games, that is.)  You can get lucky and win, but as we know, the odds of somebody doing that are astronomical unless they play huge amounts of combos.  And if they do that, they're even MORE likely to be behind than someone who plays rarely, since the person who plays rarely has a chance of hitting the big prize and staying ahead forever - where as someone who plays many numbers absoultely has to get that top prize (not even the second prize) to stay ahead.  Short of hitting that - they will be DOWN a huge amount of money.

                          "By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge."

                          My definition of beating the odds is different than yours. When someone makes a conditional bet, they aren't beating the odds, but when they win the bet, they beat the odds.

                          The only edge that counts in the long run is did you win or did you lose. When I hit that 7-Spot playing Keno, the house had a 30% edge so when I won over $8000, I didn't gain an edge. Are lottery players trying to gain an edge or are they trying become instant millionaires?

                          "And because nothing can increase your odds of winning, it's inherent in the math that you can't "beat" the game (lotto games, that is.)"

                          Gambling isn't about beating a game, the odds, or the house edge; it's about risk/reward. There is a discussion asking if players will play their state lotto games now that both the MM and PB jackpots are at their minimum. In some states their lotto jackpots are higher than MM and the odds against winning those jackpots are considerably lower. But again it's not asking if it's easier to beat the game with lower odds, but does the reward outweigh the risk by playing that game.

                          "If you are counting cards succesfully, then you are playing at an advantage."

                          The player acting before the card counter has the same advantage and had he used basic hitting strategy, he would win the hand. He not only lost his advantage by taking a hit, he cause the counter to lose too. That hand is in the same past tense as a MM or PB winner saying they beat the odds.

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                            "By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge."

                            My definition of beating the odds is different than yours. When someone makes a conditional bet, they aren't beating the odds, but when they win the bet, they beat the odds.

                            The only edge that counts in the long run is did you win or did you lose. When I hit that 7-Spot playing Keno, the house had a 30% edge so when I won over $8000, I didn't gain an edge. Are lottery players trying to gain an edge or are they trying become instant millionaires?

                            "And because nothing can increase your odds of winning, it's inherent in the math that you can't "beat" the game (lotto games, that is.)"

                            Gambling isn't about beating a game, the odds, or the house edge; it's about risk/reward. There is a discussion asking if players will play their state lotto games now that both the MM and PB jackpots are at their minimum. In some states their lotto jackpots are higher than MM and the odds against winning those jackpots are considerably lower. But again it's not asking if it's easier to beat the game with lower odds, but does the reward outweigh the risk by playing that game.

                            "If you are counting cards succesfully, then you are playing at an advantage."

                            The player acting before the card counter has the same advantage and had he used basic hitting strategy, he would win the hand. He not only lost his advantage by taking a hit, he cause the counter to lose too. That hand is in the same past tense as a MM or PB winner saying they beat the odds.

                            Stack, if they don't understand this statement, they are a lost cause.

                            By "beat" I literally mean to gain an edge."

                            My definition of beating the odds is different than yours. When someone makes a conditional bet, they aren't beating the odds, but when they win the bet, they beat the odds.

                            The only edge that counts in the long run is did you win or did you lose. When I hit that 7-Spot playing Keno, the house had a 30% edge so when I won over $8000, I didn't gain an edge. Are lottery players trying to gain an edge or are they trying become instant millionaires?

                            Several years ago, this person was leaving Florida after vacationing at Disney, driving back to Texas. Before he crossed the state line, he stopped and purchased 15 qp's. One of those qp's( a conditional bet) won him 15 million dollars( he beat the odds).


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                              Boney526,

                              I think I'm done here too.  It might have been worth pursuing if we had at least gotten an occasional post from a stranger indicating they had learned something from our efforts.  There are either no people reading here with the courage to oppose the loud mouths trying to discredit sound scientific reasoning, or they are all just a bunch of blithering idiots.

                              It's ironic how clueless people like Ronnie316 are when it comes to odds.  If he ever discovers that casino slot machines and roulette wheels return on average more than double what the lottery does, he'll probably sleep in his car and spend countless hours applying his brand of the Gambler's Fallacy to them.

                              http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/appendix/3a/

                              Good Luck!

                              --Jimmy4164

                              Thank you Jimmy for adding "blithering idiot" to the list of accolades I can take to my credit. I will hate seeing you go as you seem to be the least childish and derogatory of the three. No doubt your NOT henpecked, as the others are. lol.

                                 
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