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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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I was thinking about the effect of playing the same bonus number on every line. If we play 12 QP lines, a three number match doesn't even cover the cost of the tickets. Because there are 46 bonus numbers, someone might say were getting worse than the overall odds of 40 to 1 by playing the same bonus numbers on every ticket, but the effect of matching the bonus number means every ticket wins.

If we played all 56 numbers on 12 lines with only one bonus number, the worst we could collect is $29 and since 99% of all the winning tickets pay $10 or less, it looks like a no-brainer.

The reason playing the same bonus number on all lines produces BETTER ODDS, is because the winning number can be chosen on average every 18 draws or so. Playing all 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines guarantees only one bonus number hit for every 46 lines played.

I also like the sound of playing all 56 numbers on 12 lines, or a 2 if 2 of 56 LP wheel is 45 lines.


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    Set of 28 for MM. Tue. Mar. 19, 2013.

    01 02 04 05 06 08 10 11 12 13 15 17 19 24 25 30 34 35 38 39 41 42 43 46 49 51 55 56

    bonus ball 03


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      Posted: March 19, 2013, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

      Wheel: Pick 5 Abbreviated 2 if 5 of 56

      Tickets:  45

      Description:  Minimum 2-number match, if 5 numbers drawn fall within your set of 56 numbers.

      Input:  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56

      1. 01-03-06-16-55--03
      2. 01-08-30-47-55--03
      3. 01-14-24-41-54--03
      4. 01-23-32-41-55--03
      5. 01-36-44-49-55--03
      6. 02-04-27-28-46--03
      7. 02-18-22-28-52--03
      8. 02-26-28-48-50--03
      9. 03-08-23-41-49--03
      10. 03-14-24-36-47--03
      11. 03-30-32-44-54--03
      12. 04-18-22-46-48--03
      13. 04-26-46-50-52--03
      14. 05-07-21-25-40--03
      15. 05-09-15-37-42--03
      16. 05-12-40-42-56--03
      17. 05-19-34-51-56--03
      18. 06-08-32-36-54--03
      19. 06-14-24-30-49--03
      20. 06-23-41-44-47--03
      21. 07-09-15-25-56--03
      22. 07-12-21-37-56--03
      23. 07-19-21-42-51--03
      24. 07-27-34-48-52--03
      25. 08-14-16-24-44--03
      26. 09-12-15-19-51--03
      27. 09-15-21-34-40--03
      28. 10-11-33-38-43--03
      29. 10-13-31-38-45--03
      30. 10-17-35-38-53--03
      31. 10-20-29-38-39--03
      32. 11-13-20-35-43--03
      33. 11-17-43-45-53--03
      34. 11-29-31-39-43--03
      35. 12-25-34-37-42--03
      36. 13-17-29-39-53--03
      37. 13-20-33-40-45--03
      38. 14-23-24-32-55--03
      39. 16-23-30-36-41--03
      40. 16-32-47-49-54--03
      41. 17-20-31-33-53--03
      42. 18-22-26-27-50--03
      43. 19-25-37-40-51--03
      44. 23-31-35-54-55--03
      45. 29-33-35-39-45--03


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        Posted: March 19, 2013, 2:39 pm - IP Logged

        Here are 45 Random MM Picks for Tonight, 3/19/13

        Sorted Results are from:  https://www.random.org/

        NO GUARANTEES are made!

        Without a Jackpot hit, the Expected (average) Return on this $45 investment would be about $9.  If this set of 45 picks generates more (or less) than that, I will NOT be making any claims, one way or the other. (Because none will be warranted.)

        This is just for fun!

        01.  01-02-13-32-34--27
        02.  01-15-39-46-56--39
        03.  01-18-41-44-55--22
        04.  01-23-33-48-51--20
        05.  02-03-12-28-56--09
        06.  02-16-21-30-52--32
        07.  02-20-28-33-36--34
        08.  03-24-51-55-56--08
        09.  04-05-35-40-46--22
        10.  04-11-15-34-37--23
        11.  04-12-16-35-37--19
        12.  04-37-41-47-52--24
        13.  05-10-21-29-42--07
        14.  05-12-23-47-49--28
        15.  05-16-23-41-47--26
        16.  05-33-42-52-54--37
        17.  06-09-11-17-39--33
        18.  06-23-25-32-55--23
        19.  07-12-29-31-32--16
        20.  07-14-23-24-39--34
        21.  08-15-28-41-44--25
        22.  09-20-24-47-50--28
        23.  09-22-31-32-48--17
        24.  10-12-22-51-55--19
        25.  10-13-21-26-33--05
        26.  10-14-26-52-53--19
        27.  10-19-30-37-49--06
        28.  10-27-28-43-52--33
        29.  11-15-28-42-43--44
        30.  12-15-24-31-43--21
        31.  13-21-24-41-43--01
        32.  13-32-33-44-51--26
        33.  15-19-20-43-45--33
        34.  15-24-27-39-43--12
        35.  16-25-28-50-53--08
        36.  16-28-39-45-55--10
        37.  17-18-29-44-48--23
        38.  17-25-29-33-43--04
        39.  18-21-24-38-40--32
        40.  18-27-31-37-39--01
        41.  18-43-44-52-56--02
        42.  23-28-47-50-53--44
        43.  24-32-37-46-49--34
        44.  26-33-45-48-49--09
        45.  41-42-43-52-55--15

        Good Luck Everyone!

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          The reason playing the same bonus number on all lines produces BETTER ODDS, is because the winning number can be chosen on average every 18 draws or so. Playing all 46 bonus numbers on 46 lines guarantees only one bonus number hit for every 46 lines played.

          I also like the sound of playing all 56 numbers on 12 lines, or a 2 if 2 of 56 LP wheel is 45 lines.

          Any MM ticket has 2.5% chance of winning something and a 99% chance that something will be $10 or less so realistically the only way to justify playing is to ignore the odds and play for the jackpot. We can't win a jackpot without matching the bonus number and by playing all 46 bonus numbers we're guaranteeing 1 chance out of 3,904,701 chances. The only way to increase that 1 chance is by using a bonus number multiple times. The choice is between having 1 chance out of 46 of winning the jackpot or beating the odds of 46 to 1 to have 46 chances. I don't know if I'm getting better odds by playing that way, but I know if I match the bonus number, each ticket I play can win the jackpot and every ticket will win something. 

          "or a 2 if 2 of 56 LP wheel is 45 lines."

          A 2if2 wheel has about 190 combos so you probably mean a 2if5 wheel. Either way, the bet is on the bonus number.


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            BETTER ODDS can be calculated over time when 46 lines (or more) are played on each draw. For example lets say 46 lines are played with all 46 bonus numbers, after 18 draws you will have had a guaranteed 18 bonus numbers hits.

            When playing the same bonus number on all lines, lets say it hits on the 18th draw. You have had zero chances up til that draw in exchange for 46 hits on the 18th draw. 

            Clearly 46 chances would be BETTER than 18 chances, even if you played 46 QPs each draw.

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              BETTER ODDS can be calculated over time when 46 lines (or more) are played on each draw. For example lets say 46 lines are played with all 46 bonus numbers, after 18 draws you will have had a guaranteed 18 bonus numbers hits.

              When playing the same bonus number on all lines, lets say it hits on the 18th draw. You have had zero chances up til that draw in exchange for 46 hits on the 18th draw. 

              Clearly 46 chances would be BETTER than 18 chances, even if you played 46 QPs each draw.

              I Agree!

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                I Agree!

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                  I'm sure someone like Jammy will be quick to point out that hitting the bonus number every 18 draw cant be done, and that it is impossible to do. But if its already being done, living in Jammy denial become difficult.


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                    I will avoid the lottery insanity. I will buy a lottery ticket today.


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                          I will avoid the lottery insanity. I will buy a lottery ticket today.

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