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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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These are "LP pool" lines that anyone can play. Just buy a set of tickets, and your in the pool.

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Sounds like your here pushing some sucky iPhone app that no one wants or even cares about. No thanks.

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Any MM ticket has 2.5% chance of winning something and a 99% chance that something will be \$10 or less so realistically the only way to justify playing is to ignore the odds and play for the jackpot. We can't win a jackpot without matching the bonus number and by playing all 46 bonus numbers we're guaranteeing 1 chance out of 3,904,701 chances. The only way to increase that 1 chance is by using a bonus number multiple times. The choice is between having 1 chance out of 46 of winning the jackpot or beating the odds of 46 to 1 to have 46 chances. I don't know if I'm getting better odds by playing that way, but I know if I match the bonus number, each ticket I play can win the jackpot and every ticket will win something.

"or a 2 if 2 of 56 LP wheel is 45 lines."

A 2if2 wheel has about 190 combos so you probably mean a 2if5 wheel. Either way, the bet is on the bonus number.

A 2if2 wheel has about 190 combos so you probably mean a 2if5 wheel. Either way, the bet is on the bonus number.

Right, I was taling about a 2 if 5 of 56 wheel because it holds all 56 numbers.

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Wheel: Pick 5 Abbreviated 2 if 5 of 56

Tickets:  45

Description:  Minimum 2-number match, if 5 numbers drawn fall within your set of 56 numbers.

Input:  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56

1. 01-03-06-16-55--03
2. 01-08-30-47-55--03
3. 01-14-24-41-54--03
4. 01-23-32-41-55--03
5. 01-36-44-49-55--03
6. 02-04-27-28-46--03
7. 02-18-22-28-52--03
8. 02-26-28-48-50--03
9. 03-08-23-41-49--03
10. 03-14-24-36-47--03
11. 03-30-32-44-54--03
12. 04-18-22-46-48--03
13. 04-26-46-50-52--03
14. 05-07-21-25-40--03
15. 05-09-15-37-42--03
16. 05-12-40-42-56--03
17. 05-19-34-51-56--03
18. 06-08-32-36-54--03
19. 06-14-24-30-49--03
20. 06-23-41-44-47--03
21. 07-09-15-25-56--03
22. 07-12-21-37-56--03
23. 07-19-21-42-51--03
24. 07-27-34-48-52--03
25. 08-14-16-24-44--03
26. 09-12-15-19-51--03
27. 09-15-21-34-40--03
28. 10-11-33-38-43--03
29. 10-13-31-38-45--03
30. 10-17-35-38-53--03
31. 10-20-29-38-39--03
32. 11-13-20-35-43--03
33. 11-17-43-45-53--03
34. 11-29-31-39-43--03
35. 12-25-34-37-42--03
36. 13-17-29-39-53--03
37. 13-20-33-40-45--03
38. 14-23-24-32-55--03
39. 16-23-30-36-41--03
40. 16-32-47-49-54--03
41. 17-20-31-33-53--03
42. 18-22-26-27-50--03
43. 19-25-37-40-51--03
44. 23-31-35-54-55--03
45. 29-33-35-39-45--03

This is a wheel that doesn't need changes and could be played on every draw.

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IF you pick these formats you will get close everytime.

S-S-T-40-50

S-T-20-30-50

S-20-30-40-50

T-T-20-40-50

T-20-30-30-40

Figure out odds/evens and up and down from previous number and you will win.

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Wheel: Pick 5 Abbreviated 2 if 5 of 56

Tickets:  45

Description:  Minimum 2-number match, if 5 numbers drawn fall within your set of 56 numbers.

Input:  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56

1. 01-03-06-16-55--03
2. 01-08-30-47-55--03
3. 01-14-24-41-54--03
4. 01-23-32-41-55--03
5. 01-36-44-49-55--03
6. 02-04-27-28-46--03
7. 02-18-22-28-52--03
8. 02-26-28-48-50--03
9. 03-08-23-41-49--03
10. 03-14-24-36-47--03
11. 03-30-32-44-54--03
12. 04-18-22-46-48--03
13. 04-26-46-50-52--03
14. 05-07-21-25-40--03
15. 05-09-15-37-42--03
16. 05-12-40-42-56--03
17. 05-19-34-51-56--03
18. 06-08-32-36-54--03
19. 06-14-24-30-49--03
20. 06-23-41-44-47--03
21. 07-09-15-25-56--03
22. 07-12-21-37-56--03
23. 07-19-21-42-51--03
24. 07-27-34-48-52--03
25. 08-14-16-24-44--03
26. 09-12-15-19-51--03
27. 09-15-21-34-40--03
28. 10-11-33-38-43--03
29. 10-13-31-38-45--03
30. 10-17-35-38-53--03
31. 10-20-29-38-39--03
32. 11-13-20-35-43--03
33. 11-17-43-45-53--03
34. 11-29-31-39-43--03
35. 12-25-34-37-42--03
36. 13-17-29-39-53--03
37. 13-20-33-40-45--03
38. 14-23-24-32-55--03
39. 16-23-30-36-41--03
40. 16-32-47-49-54--03
41. 17-20-31-33-53--03
42. 18-22-26-27-50--03
43. 19-25-37-40-51--03
44. 23-31-35-54-55--03
45. 29-33-35-39-45--03

Ronnie316,

You said, "This is a wheel that doesn't need changes and could be played on every draw."

That's great!  Maybe RJOh will be good enough to tweak one of his many backtest programs to see how these 45 lines did on all draws since the last matrix change.  (And if he's in a really good mood, he could then easily see how my 45 lines did as well.)

--Jimmy4164

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This is a wheel that doesn't need changes and could be played on every draw.

The wheel is designed to get a two number match, but it has a discrepancy with the number distribution. It's almost like a key wheel because 2 numbers appear six times, 8 numbers appear five times, 4 numbers four times, and the other 35 numbers three times. Depending on how many hits the latest 4 + drawings are averaging, you could place those 21 numbers into the number positions that appear most in the wheel. It still has the two number match guarantee a better chance of having a three or more number match.

The problem with playing the same combos every drawing is you never know when to quit. The last thing I want to see is one of the lines I've played for weeks have a five number match the drawing after I stopped playing it.

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"The last thing I want to see is one of the lines I've played for weeks have a five number match the drawing after I stopped playing it."

Sounds like a reason not to stop playing it.

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Ronnie316,

You said, "This is a wheel that doesn't need changes and could be played on every draw."

That's great!  Maybe RJOh will be good enough to tweak one of his many backtest programs to see how these 45 lines did on all draws since the last matrix change.  (And if he's in a really good mood, he could then easily see how my 45 lines did as well.)

--Jimmy4164

Most any lottery program that can compare one lottery file with another one can do that.  The only hang up might be importing the files but copying and pasting to notepad with some editing should take care of that.  I can't imagine you not having such a program.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Most any lottery program that can compare one lottery file with another one can do that.  The only hang up might be importing the files but copying and pasting to notepad with some editing should take care of that.  I can't imagine you not having such a program.

RJOh,

I can't imagine (believe) you not knowing why I suggest you adapt one of your programs rather than me.  I wrote a program to track the MadDog Powerball Challenge for an entire year.  You saw what I got for that.   I wrote several backtests of Pick-3 systems and received thanks from only one member, Rick G.  He was the only person willing to admit that the system I tested for him returned 50 cents on the dollar like Quick Picks.  And then, there's all the work I put into Monte Carlo programs.  For what?  So I could listen to a lot of ridiculous guff from people who don't even understand how those simulations work or recognize their power?

It is claimed that "n if m of y" wheels return more money than randomly chosen lines.  So, show us how Ronnie316's 45 lines would have done from day 1 of the current MM matrix to date.  Yes, I could use pieces of my MadDog Challenge program to grind out the MM returns, but why should I?  I'm not the one claiming an edge is possible.  And besides, from other backtests you've reported on here, I KNOW you have the knowledge and [probably] programs closer to the task at hand than I do, [almost] ready to go.  And you are a respected member of the system players "club" here.  I am not.

You must admit, I'm taking the chance that Ronnie's 45 did spectacular, far better than the expected 50% long term loss. In the short span of 120 or so draws, anything is possible.  You know that if Ronnie's lines happened to have some lucky big hits since the last matrix change, he and Stack47 will say, "See, systems work!"

Be brave.  Have fun. Take a shot!

--Jimmy4164

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RJOh,

I can't imagine (believe) you not knowing why I suggest you adapt one of your programs rather than me.  I wrote a program to track the MadDog Powerball Challenge for an entire year.  You saw what I got for that.   I wrote several backtests of Pick-3 systems and received thanks from only one member, Rick G.  He was the only person willing to admit that the system I tested for him returned 50 cents on the dollar like Quick Picks.  And then, there's all the work I put into Monte Carlo programs.  For what?  So I could listen to a lot of ridiculous guff from people who don't even understand how those simulations work or recognize their power?

It is claimed that "n if m of y" wheels return more money than randomly chosen lines.  So, show us how Ronnie316's 45 lines would have done from day 1 of the current MM matrix to date.  Yes, I could use pieces of my MadDog Challenge program to grind out the MM returns, but why should I?  I'm not the one claiming an edge is possible.  And besides, from other backtests you've reported on here, I KNOW you have the knowledge and [probably] programs closer to the task at hand than I do, [almost] ready to go.  And you are a respected member of the system players "club" here.  I am not.

You must admit, I'm taking the chance that Ronnie's 45 did spectacular, far better than the expected 50% long term loss. In the short span of 120 or so draws, anything is possible.  You know that if Ronnie's lines happened to have some lucky big hits since the last matrix change, he and Stack47 will say, "See, systems work!"

Be brave.  Have fun. Take a shot!

--Jimmy4164

There have been 808 drawings since the last MM matrix change. I compared each group of 45 combinations to those 808 drawings.

Ronnie's 45 lines

matched
0+1=477
1+1=244
2+1=40
3+0=114
3+1=4
4+0=3

Total lines 808 x 45 = 36360
882 prizes won = \$3934

Jimmy's 45 lines

matched
0+1=481
1+1=255
2+1=39
3+0=122
3+1=3
4+0=3

Total lines 808 x 45 = 36360
903 prizes won = \$3871

As you can see both groups did about the same.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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There have been 808 drawings since the last MM matrix change. I compared each group of 45 combinations to those 808 drawings.

Ronnie's 45 lines

matched
0+1=477
1+1=244
2+1=40
3+0=114
3+1=4
4+0=3

Total lines 808 x 45 = 36360
882 prizes won = \$3934

Jimmy's 45 lines

matched
0+1=481
1+1=255
2+1=39
3+0=122
3+1=3
4+0=3

Total lines 808 x 45 = 36360
903 prizes won = \$3871

As you can see both groups did about the same.

Thanks RJ.

And it seems to be just what you would expect without matching 4+1.

Obviously, we have to view our losses as our price of "admission" to win a "Big One!"

--Jimmy4164

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the number you want is on pg 74

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IF you pick these formats you will get close everytime.

S-S-T-40-50

S-T-20-30-50

S-20-30-40-50

T-T-20-40-50

T-20-30-30-40

Figure out odds/evens and up and down from previous number and you will win.

What does the T & S mean? Also the 30-40-50 .. You go -1/+1? Thnx.

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