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Posted: April 15, 2013, 10:38 pm - IP Logged

Well that's not a very enlightened attitude....

 

Anybody who is interested in finding truth will listen to those who disagree with them so long as they are using logic in their arguements...  Those who want to live blindfolded will make statements like that.

 

Although what you are saying is true.  Casino players often don't want to hear about the math behind the games they falsely believe they can win at (and many recognize the math, and are under no falsehoods.  They've generally listened to the math oriented guys) and lottery players are the same way.

 

All I can say is, good luck.  Since you will ignore reasonable arguments in favor of unreasonable superstitions, that is what you will need to succeed in your lottery endovours.  Although I don't wish to get sucked back into an irrational argument with you guys, as Jimmy has, so I'll just say this and move on - good luck.

 

And yeah, Cajun's assessment is generally accurate.  Casino oriented websites have more math oriented guys on them.  People who understand and agree with the things Jimmy posts.  I can't speak for him, or his motivations, but I suspect that he wouldn't have much reason to be as active there, as he seems to be attempting to make people who don't understand the math stand a chance....

"Casino players often don't want to hear about the math behind the games they falsely believe they can win at (and many recognize the math, and are under no falsehoods."

The majority of the casino players are playing slots and casino discussion forums have slot playing strategies and systems. Most casinos have blown up pictures of some of their big slot winners and if Bill R. or Sandy Z. can win $25,000, they can too. And speaking of odds, what are the odds against hitting the bonus play by playing 40 payoff lines at 2 cents a line?

"I can't speak for him, or his motivations, but I suspect that he wouldn't have much reason to be as active there, as he seems to be attempting to make people who don't understand the math stand a chance...."

His motivations are obvious; delusions of grandeur, Jimmy's so vain he thought this web site was about him, or maybe he did lose a huge amount of money gambling.

"Although what you are saying is true."

It's just common sense when people are discussing better ways to play a game with 175 million to 1 odds against winning, they either know the odds or don't care. This topic is asking if anyone can make an income and not can millions make an income and it's possible there are a few players out of millions that are making an income. It's there really a point in debating it's possible?

"They've generally listened to the math oriented guys) and lottery players are the same way.

The Math Forum is one of the least active forums on this site. Do you really believe, considering most of the topics in the Discussion Forum, the majority of members really care what the math oriented guys have to say?

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    Stack47,

    The most frustrating aspect of trying to encourage critical thinking here is that people like you and Ronnie316 are oblivious to your cluelessness.  You are convinced that your knowledge of ways to increase your "Hit Ratio" is earth shaking and that I don't understand what you're doing. Since you claim you were doing lottery simulations before I started posting here, you can surely test the hypotheses necessary to convince yourself that designing your bets to increase the number of 2-3/5 matches (which can be done) WILL NOT INCREASE YOUR LONG TERM "PRIZE RATIO"  results over Quick Picks.

    https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1728520

    As for the topic question, there are many people earning steady and reliable incomes from "Playing" the lottery.  Those who sell software and other services to players do well, and jackpot winners do very well, if they invest their winnings wisely.  And last but not least, state governments and their employees do well too.  For the majority of us, a 33 to 50 cent return on each dollar wagered is par for the course.

    When you have glimmers of realization that what I'm trying to tell you is true, your pride will not allow you admit it, so you engage in feeble or silly attempts at obfuscation of the truth. You are not doing yourself nor anyone else here any favors when you do that. You help make the experience here for anyone seeking true knowledge, a waste of time.

    --Jimmy4164

    P.S. Thanks Boney...

    "The most frustrating aspect of trying to encourage critical thinking here is that people like you"

    You're not doing the "thinking", Jimmy. You're just reading online articles and giving their opinions though sometimes you do quote your source.

    "You are convinced that your knowledge of ways to increase your "Hit Ratio" is earth shaking and that I don't understand what you're doing."

    I'm surprised you never read a gambling article discussing quantity vs quality of hits. Actually because of my knowledge, I can understand why 20 million MM tickets were sold last Friday and even though 12 million of those tickets probably didn't match one number or the bonus number, over 20 million tickets will be sold for the next drawing. Feel free to quote me as saying "Millions of MM and PB players are playing and dreaming of a quality hit".

    "For the majority of us, a 33 to 50 cent return on each dollar wagered is par for the course."

    You ought take another look at the topic because it say "anyone", not the majority, not many, or even a few.

    "When you have glimmers of realization that what I'm trying to tell you is true"

    I've bought lottery tickets in some pretty rough looking stores, but never had one clerk force me to buy five $1 pick-3 QPs and demand I play the same way every drawing for the next five years.

    "You help make the experience here for anyone seeking true knowledge, a waste of time."

    Even your hero Don Catlin wrote articles about tips and strategies for those who want to play casino games. It's not a waste of time to say very few people are making an income from the lottery and maybe you didn't notice, but their are lots of members discussion how to make an income and you're wasting their time by being an annoying critic.

    You're wasting your time because in the end, they will eventually figure it out without your help or maybe I'll add a suggestion and Ronnie will offer some positive vibs and they will make an income from the lottery. If they don't, they will still speak highly of Ronnie and me; wonder what they say about you?


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      Posted: April 16, 2013, 11:33 am - IP Logged

      Jammy will be a forgotten loser. A statistic. Someone who told people they couldn't do it, just before they went ahead and did it anyway. Some people are innovators, while others like Jammy are procrastinators and cigarette smokers, and tokers.


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        "Casino players often don't want to hear about the math behind the games they falsely believe they can win at (and many recognize the math, and are under no falsehoods."

        The majority of the casino players are playing slots and casino discussion forums have slot playing strategies and systems. Most casinos have blown up pictures of some of their big slot winners and if Bill R. or Sandy Z. can win $25,000, they can too. And speaking of odds, what are the odds against hitting the bonus play by playing 40 payoff lines at 2 cents a line?

        "I can't speak for him, or his motivations, but I suspect that he wouldn't have much reason to be as active there, as he seems to be attempting to make people who don't understand the math stand a chance...."

        His motivations are obvious; delusions of grandeur, Jimmy's so vain he thought this web site was about him, or maybe he did lose a huge amount of money gambling.

        "Although what you are saying is true."

        It's just common sense when people are discussing better ways to play a game with 175 million to 1 odds against winning, they either know the odds or don't care. This topic is asking if anyone can make an income and not can millions make an income and it's possible there are a few players out of millions that are making an income. It's there really a point in debating it's possible?

        "They've generally listened to the math oriented guys) and lottery players are the same way.

        The Math Forum is one of the least active forums on this site. Do you really believe, considering most of the topics in the Discussion Forum, the majority of members really care what the math oriented guys have to say?

        The Math Forum is one of the least active forums on this site. Do you really believe, considering most of the topics in the Discussion Forum, the majority of members really care what the math oriented guys have to say?

        Good point Stack. I don't think a math class over in the math forum pointing out "The realities of long lottery odds" would get much activity. I would like to see the 2 Stooges do it. It would be interesting.

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          Jammy will be a forgotten loser. A statistic. Someone who told people they couldn't do it, just before they went ahead and did it anyway. Some people are innovators, while others like Jammy are procrastinators and cigarette smokers, and tokers.

          Jimmy is confused.  In his posts, he claims to be trying to encourage critical thinking among lottery players and yet he claims such thinking doesn't have any better outcome than thoughtlessly buying quick picks.

          If either doesn't effect the outcomes then he doesn't have a point.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Jimmy is confused.  In his posts, he claims to be trying to encourage critical thinking among lottery players and yet he claims such thinking doesn't have any better outcome than thoughtlessly buying quick picks.

            If either doesn't effect the outcomes then he doesn't have a point.

            Green laugh If the point is (Jammy) not having a point, you make a GOOD point.


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              Posted: April 16, 2013, 12:24 pm - IP Logged

              Jammy could probably tell us what a dog feels like when he is chasing his tail?


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                Jammy could probably tell us what a dog feels like when he is chasing his tail?

                What?

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                  Posted: April 16, 2013, 12:44 pm - IP Logged

                  Only the Lottery commisions, the states, Todd, and those who get lucky playing a jackpot game... and the last group only has short term income.

                   

                  The real answer is no.  The reason is the math involved.  Although last time I got specific about that stuff on these forums I was berated and dragged into a long and useless arugment - so I'll leave it at that.

                   

                  The answer is NO.  Anyone to tell you otherwise is either 1) Overly hopeful, 2) Overly Confident, 3) Delusional, 4) a liar OR simply doesn't understand the math involved.  I'm not trying to offend anyone, but that is the plain and simple truth.

                  There are people making money other than Todd, lottery commissioners, and just being plain lucky. I see lottery pick books almost every area I go and play my numbers. This is why I chose to create my own. What an exciting feeling! Because even if I don't hit a number. I take pride that someone purchased my book and played a number that hit!

                   

                  Go and view my prediction statistics for this month(past 30 days) and these are numbers that I come up with in my book...The math involved always provides a desired outcome. I guest I fall under #2. Because I know that I could take 50¢ and turn it into $250 or $500....But, just think if I was to have the testicular fortitude to wager $50-$100 on a single number...That's $25K-$50K!!!

                  Now that's more money than many us make yearly in one day! 

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                    There are people making money other than Todd, lottery commissioners, and just being plain lucky. I see lottery pick books almost every area I go and play my numbers. This is why I chose to create my own. What an exciting feeling! Because even if I don't hit a number. I take pride that someone purchased my book and played a number that hit!

                     

                    Go and view my prediction statistics for this month(past 30 days) and these are numbers that I come up with in my book...The math involved always provides a desired outcome. I guest I fall under #2. Because I know that I could take 50¢ and turn it into $250 or $500....But, just think if I was to have the testicular fortitude to wager $50-$100 on a single number...That's $25K-$50K!!!

                    Now that's more money than many us make yearly in one day! 

                     just think if I was to have the testicular fortitude to wager  $50-$100 on a single number...That's $25K-$50K!!!

                    Most predictors that post hundreds of predictions everyday don't have enough faith in their predictions to put that kind of money on any of them for good reasons, they are simply throwing out hundreds of numbers and hoping some of them hit some where.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      The Math Forum is one of the least active forums on this site. Do you really believe, considering most of the topics in the Discussion Forum, the majority of members really care what the math oriented guys have to say?

                      Good point Stack. I don't think a math class over in the math forum pointing out "The realities of long lottery odds" would get much activity. I would like to see the 2 Stooges do it. It would be interesting.

                      Apparently they want to nit-pic when you say "when five of the 39 numbers I used matched the five winning number, I had better odds" because they assume the average reader is to ignorant to understand there were odds against you matching five numbers. I thought it was made clear by calling it a conditional bet and saying the odds against doing it were almost 7 to 1.

                      They will say having 9 chances out of 36 reduces the odds to 4 to 1, but then will nit-pic us when we reduce 575,757 chances out of 3,819,816 to 6.6 to 1 odds. It's not about math, it's about nit-picing our math and trying to support Jimmy's delusions of gandeur believing he is teaching something to someone.


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                        "The most frustrating aspect of trying to encourage critical thinking here is that people like you"

                        You're not doing the "thinking", Jimmy. You're just reading online articles and giving their opinions though sometimes you do quote your source.

                        "You are convinced that your knowledge of ways to increase your "Hit Ratio" is earth shaking and that I don't understand what you're doing."

                        I'm surprised you never read a gambling article discussing quantity vs quality of hits. Actually because of my knowledge, I can understand why 20 million MM tickets were sold last Friday and even though 12 million of those tickets probably didn't match one number or the bonus number, over 20 million tickets will be sold for the next drawing. Feel free to quote me as saying "Millions of MM and PB players are playing and dreaming of a quality hit".

                        "For the majority of us, a 33 to 50 cent return on each dollar wagered is par for the course."

                        You ought take another look at the topic because it say "anyone", not the majority, not many, or even a few.

                        "When you have glimmers of realization that what I'm trying to tell you is true"

                        I've bought lottery tickets in some pretty rough looking stores, but never had one clerk force me to buy five $1 pick-3 QPs and demand I play the same way every drawing for the next five years.

                        "You help make the experience here for anyone seeking true knowledge, a waste of time."

                        Even your hero Don Catlin wrote articles about tips and strategies for those who want to play casino games. It's not a waste of time to say very few people are making an income from the lottery and maybe you didn't notice, but their are lots of members discussion how to make an income and you're wasting their time by being an annoying critic.

                        You're wasting your time because in the end, they will eventually figure it out without your help or maybe I'll add a suggestion and Ronnie will offer some positive vibs and they will make an income from the lottery. If they don't, they will still speak highly of Ronnie and me; wonder what they say about you?

                        "You're wasting your time because in the end, they will eventually figure it out without your help,,,"

                        Actually, you'd better hope you're wrong on this point.  If you're right, and "they" eventually figure it out, this cash cow you're milking may stop producing!  Wink


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                          Apparently they want to nit-pic when you say "when five of the 39 numbers I used matched the five winning number, I had better odds" because they assume the average reader is to ignorant to understand there were odds against you matching five numbers. I thought it was made clear by calling it a conditional bet and saying the odds against doing it were almost 7 to 1.

                          They will say having 9 chances out of 36 reduces the odds to 4 to 1, but then will nit-pic us when we reduce 575,757 chances out of 3,819,816 to 6.6 to 1 odds. It's not about math, it's about nit-picing our math and trying to support Jimmy's delusions of gandeur believing he is teaching something to someone.

                          Agree, everyone who plays the lottery knows the long odds. Jammy is not teaching anyone anything.


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                            They want to have a big cry baby fit over the fact that on a SINGLE draw I beat the 7 to 1 odds and produced a winning set of 39 PB numbers on the only night Boney has played the lottery in the past 2 years. 

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                              I enjoy a good view of the multitude of illusions. 

                                 
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